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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:34 AM Feb 2016

Is Sanders the only person running who will try to overturn Citizens United?

HRC would be unlikely to want it overturned until maybe a 2nd term. If she is able to use the Super PACs and Wall St money to suppress Sanders and fight off Trump in the GE, then we should expect that she will want access to that money for her 2nd GE.

No one on the GOP side is saying anything about it, but of course Anderson Cooper is only asking them what kind of music they like, how they relax and other questions he seems to have borrowed from an episode of "The Dating Game."

Bernie Sanders has the consistency on this issue that we can trust. If he makes it to the WH it won't be due to Citizens United but rather despite it and he will be highly motivated to get rid of it before the run for his 2nd term begins.

Yuuuge cross over issue btw:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/02/poll-finds-80-republicans-agree-bernie-sanders-citizens-united.html

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Is Sanders the only person running who will try to overturn Citizens United? (Original Post) GreatGazoo Feb 2016 OP
You realize that Clinton called for overturning CU through SC appointments? 2 weeks before Sanders? brooklynite Feb 2016 #1
Yet, she accepts millions from corporations Beowulf Feb 2016 #4
You think she should unilaterally disarm? brooklynite Feb 2016 #8
Right now, her opponent doesn't accept PAC money, Beowulf Feb 2016 #19
Right now, her opponent apparently doesn't have the money to run a national campaign... brooklynite Feb 2016 #20
I'm sorry that I've been unable to sent Bernie enough money.... daleanime Feb 2016 #28
I thought he was raising more than Hillary was... brooklynite Feb 2016 #29
Of course he doesn't. Beowulf Feb 2016 #33
TOTALLY! HILLARY IS 100% BOUGHT! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #32
Yup. Shadowflash Feb 2016 #21
We don't believe her. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #5
but she can't win without that money GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #7
She'll use CU to its full advantage to get into the White House... Barack_America Feb 2016 #9
You have a link to prove that - or did you just make that up FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #27
I do believe fredamae Feb 2016 #2
He has shown he can be trusted on this issue. azmom Feb 2016 #3
I believe he's the only candidate who's said it. winter is coming Feb 2016 #6
The only way to destroy Citizens United is for a Democrat to be POTUS Gothmog Feb 2016 #10
Hilary is benefited from Citizen United. kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #11
is benefitting... dchill Feb 2016 #31
Yes. Whatever Hillary says or said is just campaign blather, and changes with the polls and focus djean111 Feb 2016 #12
There will be no attempts by either the R wing or the D wing of the Corporate Party. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #13
I disagree. Nitram Feb 2016 #15
Hope you're not holding your breath. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author onecaliberal Feb 2016 #30
No, of course not. Clinton has long been agaisnt CU, and has promised to try to overturn it. Nitram Feb 2016 #14
Yes. nt Zorra Feb 2016 #17
Why can't anyone be bothered to find out why Citizen's United is a thing? JTFrog Feb 2016 #18
Hillary also believes Citizens United should be overturned. (nt) Skinner Feb 2016 #22
Citizens United... yallerdawg Feb 2016 #23
Does she really? I'm not being snarky, Skinner. Punkingal Feb 2016 #24
Trump is against Citizens United EndElectoral Feb 2016 #25
Her paymasters would feel dissed. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #26

Beowulf

(761 posts)
19. Right now, her opponent doesn't accept PAC money,
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

yet her PACs are spending millions campaigning against him. She's using nuclear weapons against an opponent who doesn't have them and has sworn never to acquire them. The General Election is a different matter, and the unilateral disarming argument fits that situation. But right now, her opponent is disarmed, so your argument doesn't fit. Using PAC money against Bernie simply reinforces the notion that her corporate supporters want her to crush Bernie. She takes their money and does their work.

brooklynite

(94,606 posts)
20. Right now, her opponent apparently doesn't have the money to run a national campaign...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

...according to his supporters here, he's not vigorously campaigning in the Southern Super Tuesday States because they're not "cost effective".

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
28. I'm sorry that I've been unable to sent Bernie enough money....
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:34 AM
Feb 2016

that he could meet your expectations. I hope you find in your heart to forgive me.

brooklynite

(94,606 posts)
29. I thought he was raising more than Hillary was...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

The problem appears to be his burn rate for Iowa (loss) and New Hampshire (win, but limited delegates).

Beowulf

(761 posts)
33. Of course he doesn't.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

Superpac money has driven up the cost of campaigning. Hillary can afford to drive Sanders out of the race simply by forcing him to spend money. Her tactics are cynical and only perpetuate the oligarchy's stranglehold on power. She embodies Bernie's point about the corrupting influence of corporate money.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
21. Yup.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:07 AM
Feb 2016

There is a HUGE difference between talking the talk, and saying what you think people want to hear to get their vote, and walking the walk and living your convictions.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
7. but she can't win without that money
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:48 AM
Feb 2016

While she says “Sen. Sanders and I both want to get secret, unaccountable money out of politics,” she won't release the transcripts of whatever words and phrase she sold to Goldman Sachs. And she goes back to those people more often than most of go to an ATM:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/hillary-clinton-goes-back-to-well-hits-up-financial-industry-for-fundraisers/

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
9. She'll use CU to its full advantage to get into the White House...
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:20 AM
Feb 2016

...then may pay some lip service to rid of it.

It's that pesky lack of principles that is synonymous with the name "Clinton".

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
27. You have a link to prove that - or did you just make that up
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

Its not like a lot of people actually believe Clinton

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
2. I do believe
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:38 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders is the Only one who Will give We, the People the Only real opportunity, we've had thus far to actually accomplish this.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
3. He has shown he can be trusted on this issue.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:40 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary is just giving it lip service. She and all her buddies are addicted to money in politics.

Gothmog

(145,344 posts)
10. The only way to destroy Citizens United is for a Democrat to be POTUS
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

President Obama was against Citizens United but had to use a super pac in 2012 to keep the contest close. Hillary Clinton is against Citizens United and has committed to only appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn this decision https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/14/hillary-clintons-litmus-test-for-supreme-court-nominees-a-pledge-to-overturn-citizens-united/

Hillary Clinton told a group of her top fundraisers Thursday that if she is elected president, her nominees to the Supreme Court will have to share her belief that the court's 2010 Citizens United decision must be overturned, according to people who heard her remarks.

Clinton's emphatic opposition to the ruling, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums on independent political activity, garnered the strongest applause of the afternoon from the more than 200 party financiers gathered in Brooklyn for a closed-door briefing from the Democratic candidate and her senior aides, according to some of those present.

"She got major applause when she said would not name anybody to the Supreme Court unless she has assurances that they would overturn" the decision, said one attendee, who, like others, requested anonymity to describe the private session.

If the make-up of the court does not change by 2017, four of the justices will be 78 years of age or older by the time the next president is inaugurated.

This is the only practical way to undo the damage done by Citizen United in that it will be impossible to get a constitutional amendment through congress and the states to undo this decision. That means that if you want to get rid of Citizens United, then one must support a candidate who can win in 2016 and support the most viable general election candidate.

Sanders has no chance of winning in the general election and so the only way to destroy CU is to vote for Clinton
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. Yes. Whatever Hillary says or said is just campaign blather, and changes with the polls and focus
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:45 AM
Feb 2016

groups. I believe anything like this will just be tossed aside, with at the most a little airy oh, the GOP won't let me do that!

Response to Nitram (Reply #15)

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
14. No, of course not. Clinton has long been agaisnt CU, and has promised to try to overturn it.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016

Don't believe everything you read about Clinton on DU.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
18. Why can't anyone be bothered to find out why Citizen's United is a thing?
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 10:55 AM
Feb 2016

And then try and tell me that Hillary has benefited or Hillary won't fight the fuckers who went after her so hard.

Are you people kidding me? So many blinded by hate.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
24. Does she really? I'm not being snarky, Skinner.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:20 AM
Feb 2016

I just don't know what to believe anymore.

(If you ever decide to do moderators again, I would volunteer again. 2004 was delightful compared to now.)

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
25. Trump is against Citizens United
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-wrong-about-basically-everything-except

Trump is wrong about basically everything – except this
08/16/15 09:44 AM—UPDATED 08/16/15 11:24 AM

By Marge Baker

Few people guessed that Donald Trump would be sitting ahead in the polls at this stage in the presidential election. Fewer, if any, guessed he would be a vocal critic of our big money election system.

At the Republican primary debate earlier this month, moderator Brett Baier asked Trump about something he said in a previous interview: “When you give, politicians do whatever the hell you want them to do.”

“You’d better believe it,” Trump interjected with his familiar bravado. The candid description of trading campaign cash for favors that followed revealed everything that is wrong with our government of, by, and for big donors. “That’s a broken system,” Trump concluded. (And revealingly, none of his opponents on the stage denied it.)

This is not the first time the real estate mogul has called attention to the way our political system rewards big donors while shutting everyday voters out of the process. Trump has been critical of Citizens United, the infamous 2010 Supreme Court decision that paved the way for the modern super PAC elections with which we’ve become all too accustomed. When several of his opponents flew out to a California resort to hobnob with billionaire donors associated with the Koch brothers, he knocked them as “puppets.”

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
26. Her paymasters would feel dissed.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

We can't have that now, can we?

Mega-money doesn't just buy elections, it also buys changes to our LAWS. Things that were illegal become legal. It's a predator's paradise.

Our law has been and is being bought by these donors and sold by our representatives. I call that what it is, treason.

I'm glad to see that even Repubs are onto this, and not having it. Hence, their votes for Trump. We have a much better choice, an actually GOOD choice, but will we be smart enough and honest enough and responsible enough to take it?

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