“A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” - WOW Bill really said that

[FreakinDJ]

Anger has a way of unmasking bigotry

Bill Clinton was reported to be outraged that Senator Ted Kennedy endorsed Barack Obama as a candidate in 2008 over Hillary.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” Bill yelled at Kennedy. So much for equality.

During Hillary’s 2008 campaign, the book noted: “Bill Clinton’s main assignment was continuing to make phone calls to super delegates, in which he pressed the case for Hillary and against Obama aggressively – at times too aggressively. Clinton’s message, sometimes implicitly, sometimes explicitly, was that the country wasn’t ready to elect an African American president. Some recipients of the calls found them discomforting, others embarrassing; few found them effective".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/hillary-clinton/12172037/Black-people-shouldnt-be-fooled-by-Hillary-Clinton.html

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[Punkingal]

1. I thought it was carrying our bags...

[FreakinDJ]

3. Clintons Loves them some African Americans - as long as they know their place

[UglyGreed]

2. Wow

is this for real????

[kgnu_fan]

4. I do see more and more of the bigotry as the Clinton myth fades away--- they could have stayed home.

[wyldwolf]

5. Why didn't you just post the Republican video that this article is about

[FreakinDJ]

6. Is it TRUE or NOT - thats all I want to know

In lobbying the late Sen. Edward Kennedy to endorse his wife, former President Clinton angered the liberal icon by belittling Obama. Telling a friend about the conversation, Kennedy recalled Clinton had said "a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee," the authors paraphrase. A spokesman for the former president declined to comment on the claim.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/game-change-bill-clinton-_n_417546.html

In lobbying the late Sen. Ted Kennedy to endorse his wife, former President Bill Clinton angered the liberal icon by belittling Obama. Telling a friend about the conversation, Kennedy recalled Clinton had said “a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” the authors paraphrase. A spokesman for the former president declined to comment on the claim.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2010/01/book-obama-biden-clashed-in-08-031302#ixzz41JY3zhYi

[wyldwolf]

7. I don't know, what is the source?

Who quoted Bill Clinton ?

[FreakinDJ]

8. Ted Kennedy

[dsc]

9. only via double hearsay

Supposedly he told Russert who then told someone else and conveniently this came out only after both Kennedy and Russert were both dead. But other than that it was straight from Kennedy.

[FreakinDJ]

12. Al Sharpton knew about the comments it at the time

Reverend Al Sharpton condemned Clinton's alleged remark, saying, "I think that's far more disturbing [than Senator Reid's comments] because this is someone seeking to stop Mr. Obama's campaign... If someone said that he would have been getting us coffee like that in the context they said he said it, that would be very offensive to me, and I would definitely take Mr. Clinton on".[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Change

Al Sharpton protested the comments before they ever started writing the book

EXPLAIN THAT

[wyldwolf]

14. That was hearsay

T he never heard Kennedy say that Kennedy is never quoted anywhere as saying it

[FreakinDJ]

15. I guess Hillary's interview on NBC is hearsay too

MR. RUSSERT: When we arrived in South Carolina yesterday this was The State newspaper, and the headlines agree to this. And let me share it with you and our viewers: "Clinton Camp Hits Obama, Attacks `painful' for black voters. Many in state offended by criticism of Obama," and "remarks about" Martin Luther "King." Bob Herbert, in The New York Times, columnist, weighed in this way: "I could also sense how hard the Clinton camp was working to undermine Senator Obama's main theme, that a campaign based on hope and healing could unify rather than further polarize the country. So there was the former president chastising the press for the way it was covering the Obama campaign and saying of Mr. Obama's effort, `The whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen.' And there was Mrs. Clinton telling the country we don't need `false hopes,' and taking cheap shots at, of all people, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. We've already seen Clinton surrogates trying to implant the false idea that Mr. Obama might be a Muslim, and perhaps a drug dealer to boot."



SEN. CLINTON: Well, beats me, because there's not one shred of truth in what you've just read. And I regret that, because obviously a lot of people have been, you know, given information or an impression that is absolutely false.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22634967/ns/meet_the_press/t/meet-press-transcript-jan/#.VtDT0Ln2bIU

Who would have guessed Hillary would lead off with "The whole thing is a lie"

[roguevalley]

17. appears to be that the no hope I don't have a dream idea is a family legacy

[FreakinDJ]

18. The book's writers are well respected and the statement appear to be true

[wyldwolf]

27. It appears to be hearsay. The 'respected authors' didn't hear it.

[roguevalley]

33. Your banana man rules my casbah

[dsc]

19. sharpton's comments came after the book

and not before. It is crystal clear that is when they came because Sharpton mentions Reid's remarks which were not known before they were published in the book, but nice try though.

[FreakinDJ]

20. Says the Hillary Supporter

Like candidate your taking your marching orders from you simply can not be believed on this matter

[dsc]

23. Says your own fucking link

Harry Reid was heavily criticized for comments he previously made about Barack Obama, which had not been made public until they were published in Game Change. According to the book, Reid said he believed Obama could become the country's first black president because he was "light-skinned" and had "no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one". Reid acknowledged and apologized for the comments, and his apology was accepted by Barack Obama. The disclosure came at a time Reid was facing a difficult reelection campaign in his home state of Nevada.[8][9][10] National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Cornyn, Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl called on Reid to step down as majority leader for his remarks.[11] Reid ultimately won reelection for his seat.[12]
Also reported for the first time was a comment Bill Clinton supposedly made in trying to convince Ted Kennedy not to back Obama's candidacy but rather that of his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Clinton reportedly said to Kennedy that "a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee." There is no evidence that Clinton ever made the remark. However, the alleged belittling of Obama's candidacy supposedly helped lead to Kennedy's endorsement of Obama shortly thereafter.[13] Reverend Al Sharpton condemned Clinton's alleged remark, saying, "I think that's far more disturbing than Senator Reid's comments because this is someone seeking to stop Mr. Obama's campaign... If someone said that he would have been getting us coffee like that in the context they said he said it, that would be very offensive to me, and I would definitely take Mr. Clinton on".[13]

He mentioned Reid's comments, in his response to the comment and Reid's comments weren't known until the book came out. Again this is your own fucking link, that you fucking supplied. Don't call me a fucking liar.

[wyldwolf]

10. Ted Kennedy is not quoted

Someone else is claiming Ted Kennedy said that - big difference. Show us anywhere that Ted Kennedy ever said Bill Clinton said that.

What's more the myth has two versions it's either carrying bags or getting coffee

[FreakinDJ]

16. Got to love this part of the NBC interview with Clinton

MR. RUSSERT: It just isn't at Senator Obama who is taking offense. This is exactly what President Clinton said in Dartmouth. Here's the tape.

(Videotape, Hanover, New Hampshire, Monday):


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PRES. BILL CLINTON: Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen.

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina, who's neutral...

SEN. CLINTON: Mm-hmm.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22634967/ns/meet_the_press/t/meet-press-transcript-jan/#.VtDT0Ln2bIU

She was caught in a LIE on Live TV

Gimme a Break - the Clintons are playing AA Voters like a cheap violin

[wyldwolf]

24. so you're diverting from your original point. You and Mitt Romney have something in common

He, too, took Bill Clinton's quote out context and FactCheck busted him for it.

Whole quote:

It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn’t know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war. And you took that speech you’re now running on off your website in 2004. And there’s no difference in your voting record and Hillary’s ever since. Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.

Nothing racist about that quote. Obama did support the war in 2004 while defending John Kerry, he did take a supportive speech off his website and he did say, in 2004, there was no difference in his and Bush's position on troops in Iraq.

ANOTHER "progressive" lie debunked.

[Cassiopeia]

30. Well, I guess we could ignore the words coming directly out of her mouth

I mean it really is all about the source of the clips isn't it.

[wyldwolf]

31. Hillary said what the OP is alleging Bill said?

I would ask for a link but I know none exists.

[Skid Rogue]

11. Also,

almost everyone remembers this when it first came out, recall it hitting the press and being debunked. People are pulling up these old slams like they've found a new prize.

[FreakinDJ]

13. There is also this comment from Hillary

Clinton expanded on her comments during a Jan. 8 interview on NBC’s “Today” show.

“Sen. Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me,” she said. “Basically compared himself to two of our greatest heroes. He basically said that President Kennedy and Dr. King had made great speeches and that speeches were important. Well, no one denies that. But if all there is (is) a speech, then it doesn’t change anything.”

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-32048.html

[wyldwolf]

25. Again, the actual Clinton quote

“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about Mr. Obama’s rejoinder by Fox’s Major Garrett after her speech in Dover. “It took a president to get it done.”

This is 100% correct. Dr. King was not an elected official. He was not a legislator. Dr. King could not have made his dream the law of the land. It took a president.

Next?

[riversedge]

37. Thank you.

[appalachiablue]

21. K & R. Very important, thanks.

[TeeYiYi]

22. That's not the story I read...

...and now I don't believe either one.

Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.” http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/10/lets-be-friends

Only days before he will nominate Barack Obama for re-election, a new report claims that in 2008, former President Bill Clinton said of him: “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.” http://nypost.com/2012/09/03/bill-clinton-made-insensitive-race-jab-about-obama-in-2008/

TYY

[Duval]

36. And there we have it. Thanks! nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

26. Hillary said that?

[AzDar]

28. K & R

[Purveyor]

29. Just makes you have to wonder what they say in private... eom

[zentrum]

32. So he's saying

…that Obama's Ivy League education, his being President of the Harvard Law Review, his teaching of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, his Senate seat, was all only because he's Black? Was all some kind of accident.

"Getting us coffee"? "Us"? What is this "Us"? Us White People? Us Masters he serves? Us Master Clintons? May as well have said O should get to the back of the bus.

It's appalling.

I really do not understand AA loyalty to the Clintons.

[erlewyne]

34. That rings a bell, yes.

But slick willy (I voted for him twice) made it sound more complementary.

Also, I have served in the military with other races and
ethnic groups. I just cannot understand this this divide.
In the service we were all friends. Everybody I served with
was the same. Who is dividing us?

[Carlo Marx]

35. Clinton has not really been thoroughly vetted.

Much of the racist garbage came out after the campaign ended. Obama could not aggressively call the Clintons out in order to avoid scrutiny as 'angry black guy' and was pretty mild with them. Same with Sanders, who has mostly fought her and the entire Democratic party with one hand held behind his back. Only now has he become more pointed in his criticisms.

[Major Nikon]

38. Results...

On Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Clinton has not really been thoroughly vetted.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1348501

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

flat out lie seeking to cause division on DU

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[Fairgo]

39. People can get very sensitive

when their race-baiting heroes are called out on their behaviour. It's difficult enough to keep ones composure with the looming spectre of indictment...silly alerts like this are just a symptom of stress.