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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:36 PM Feb 2016

Dear Bernie, please let it fly.

These past weeks you have had Democratic colleagues slander you, mock you, even declare open revolt on the principles that the Democratic Party used to, and you still do, champion.

All to preserve their established candidate and their own asses.

Your opponent has questioned your integrity, while stealing your platform and dismissing you.

My plea to you is, if you are at all holding back to "preserve" Hillary or the Democratic Party for the General Election, please don't. It won't make a difference anyway, you wouldn't be highlighting anything that we and the Republicans don't already know.

You are the last hope for this election, this party, hell, maybe even this country. They have no intention of doing anything for 'we the people' after this election. You know that. That's why you're here.

So, let 'em have it. Let it fly. If for no other reason than to ignite a flame of hope that may continue to smolder.

Bern it down. There's nothing to save here.

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Dear Bernie, please let it fly. (Original Post) Barack_America Feb 2016 OP
bernie mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #1
We need him to change that. Barack_America Feb 2016 #2
I don't think he would agree with you. Adrahil Feb 2016 #28
We need him to Bern it ALL Down Politicalboi Feb 2016 #7
sigh so sad mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #11
This is not about Bernie. This is about trying to save the Democratic Party. Barack_America Feb 2016 #15
have you taken a look at the GOP lately? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #16
Yielding the mm of difference that still exists... Barack_America Feb 2016 #18
Bernie is trying to save our Democracy. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #20
Its more like trying to save the country 2pooped2pop Feb 2016 #29
Bernie is our last best hope. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #36
And the planet as well with climate change, etc. also in the corporate propaganda list! cascadiance Feb 2016 #47
I take it as the end of democracy if Hillary is the nominee CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #30
^^ This! ^^....x1000! tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #38
Brilliant. Barack_America Feb 2016 #40
His supporters could do it. Milliesmom Feb 2016 #27
This message more correctly should go to first time voters and those who haven't ... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #3
"we had to destroy the village in order to save it..." brooklynite Feb 2016 #4
"We have to prevent marriages in order to defend marriage!" Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #13
I'm willing to accept evolution on issues... brooklynite Feb 2016 #21
How about on values? Barack_America Feb 2016 #46
I just don't think it is his UglyGreed Feb 2016 #5
Then that will be the end of it... Barack_America Feb 2016 #8
I completely understand UglyGreed Feb 2016 #10
Bernie has already been letting it fly Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #6
You really think that's true? There's nothing to be said about Hillary Clinton. Barack_America Feb 2016 #9
Yeah wait UglyGreed Feb 2016 #12
Part of Bernie's appeal is no negative campaigns, he sticks to the issues jg10003 Feb 2016 #14
Yes!! Let it fly RobertEarl Feb 2016 #17
Excellent post! I agree!! The Democratic Party that I grew up supporting is no longer there, so jillan Feb 2016 #19
Bernie's giving the country a chance for a peaceful political revolution. jalan48 Feb 2016 #22
+1 platitudipus Feb 2016 #32
This is true. Barack_America Feb 2016 #41
Please Post on his facebook page Milliesmom Feb 2016 #23
I'm not on Facebook. Barack_America Feb 2016 #45
Rome Is Burning Anyway.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #24
Good post there. Barack_America Feb 2016 #42
He has been about as negative as you can get without emulating Trump. Let it fly? Jitter65 Feb 2016 #25
LOL. Trump is going to eat her *alive*. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #31
Disagree. Trumps negatives are worse and with Trump University, his comments on women and more stevenleser Mar 2016 #55
1. African Americans made up 13% of the GE electorate in Obama's reelect year. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #56
Television is a "cool" medium, as Marshall McLuhan pointed out in his book Understanding Media Califonz Feb 2016 #26
Was. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #43
Yes, let it fly Bernie The Second Stone Feb 2016 #33
K&R Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #34
Amen elmac Feb 2016 #35
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. erlewyne Feb 2016 #37
There are two memes being flogged by the Clinton camp and the MSM King_Klonopin Feb 2016 #39
One of those things at the end unfortunately is true. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #44
good point marions ghost Feb 2016 #49
I believe it was Hillary who said "All Lives Matter" Oilwellian Feb 2016 #48
As I remember it, it was shortly after he announced his candidacy in Vermont King_Klonopin Feb 2016 #51
I don't think Sanders ever said "all lives matter" at least not as a... JackRiddler Feb 2016 #50
Actually only Clinton and O'Malley said "All lives matter" Vattel Mar 2016 #54
It's OK. We hate him anyway! Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #57
About to head out to volunteer for Bernie in MI. Barack_America Mar 2016 #52
K & R Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #53
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
28. I don't think he would agree with you.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:32 AM
Feb 2016

Either in terms of style or substance. He has said more than once that whatever his differences with Clinton, she is a millions times better than any of the GOP candidates.

Once he loses, he will give her a full-throated endorsement.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
7. We need him to Bern it ALL Down
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

She will not win against Trump. She's lost a lot of support just these few months. They think they can say anything about us and we'll be there to vote for her. We won't. They'll blame us because they gave us a flawed candidate and we didn't vote for her.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
11. sigh so sad
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:51 PM
Feb 2016

you know what they say...denial is not a river in Egypt...enjoy your denial you are buying the beer in november, (whether you go out to vote or not) if you stay home no one cares.... try to remember what tom hanks said "there's no crying in baseball"...you should not take it as personal humiliation...Bernie is a good guy....

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
47. And the planet as well with climate change, etc. also in the corporate propaganda list!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

... of things that we should do their bidding on instead of working towards a solution that could bring back some degree of stability on all fronts in the world.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
30. I take it as the end of democracy if Hillary is the nominee
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:38 AM
Feb 2016

She's a neocon who, two days ago, was endorsed by Robert Kagan--the founder of the neocon movement. It's frightening.

I don't think anyone is in denial here. I know the weight of these losses. However, we still have Super Tuesday and after Super Tuesday there are plenty of states that are very Bernie-friendly, in the same way that NH was Bernie-friendly and SC was Hillary-friendly. So, there's still plenty of race remaining.

No one is crying or humiliated. However, I do find Hillary very disconcerting. It's not personal. It's her politics.

And consider yourself lucky, that when your candidate of choice has won (or is leading in the delegate count) that you can rest easy knowing that her opponent is "a good guy" as you said. Must be nice.

Because I don't think Hillary is a "nice guy." The fact that she's owned by Wall Street is disconcerting. The fact that she won't release her own words that she said to Goldman Sachs--leaves me uneasy. The fact that in 08 she campaigned as someone who was "sorry" for her Iraq War vote, then went on to destabilize Libya and call for arming the Syrian rebels--is alarming. Syria and Libya are two of the countries that the neocons planned to dominate--as far back as 1996.

You say that if we stay home, "no one cares." Really? How in the world is your candidate going to be elected without half of the Democratic party?

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
38. ^^ This! ^^....x1000!
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:10 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary is the worst type of deciever.

Whereas the rethug have their base so bamboozled and propogandized that what they are proposing is the best for America, and in reality will harm millions and further enrich the 1%, at least they say what they mean.

Hillary, on the other hand, assumes the positions of her populist challenger and pretends to be progressive, saying all the right words and promoting all the right positions, but has no intention on making good on her word.

I don't believe a single word that comes out of her mouth.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
40. Brilliant.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 09:38 AM
Feb 2016

Exactly. I truly do find myself wondering what would do more harm; 4 years of the Democratic candidate or 4 years of the (protectionist, less war hawkish) Republican candidate.

I should not be having to wonder that about a Democratic candidate.

 

Milliesmom

(493 posts)
27. His supporters could do it.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:27 AM
Feb 2016

After all Hillary's supporters are doing it to Bernie , her daughter, her husband, the DNC, Mr. Lewis, and here on DU, just about everywhere we look. Main stream media shills, such as Matthews, people need to rise up and protest the media blackout and name names, if nothing else shame them.
After all if we lose this we are done, we better fight like our lives, our children's and grandchildren's lives depends on it, as they do!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
3. This message more correctly should go to first time voters and those who haven't ...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

... been voting in primaries.

THE GREAT AWAKENING is all of us... the ones who haven't quite gotten it for a while. Help these people understand issues that they have previously not.

That's how we preserve our own asses!

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
46. How about on values?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

The problem with Hillary is she sees no distinction between the two. She has no "core".

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
5. I just don't think it is his
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

style. Obama took it to Hillary and called Hillary and Bill out on their bullshit but I don't know if Bernie will do the same.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
8. Then that will be the end of it...
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:45 PM
Feb 2016

...you cannot counter them with anything else.

I won't fault him for it, but that will be the end of it. I wonder if he truly appreciates that he is the best chance we have against Trump?

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
10. I completely understand
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

what you are saying and I don't know how he can control himself. I really don't think anyone would blame him after what he has had to endure these last few weeks. If he is going to do it he better start tomorrow.

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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
9. You really think that's true? There's nothing to be said about Hillary Clinton.
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
Feb 2016

Wow. You might want to sit down during the General Election then, if Bernie doesn't pull this off. Going to be a bit of a shock for you.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
17. Yes!! Let it fly
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

Speak the Truth and let the flotsam float where it may.

Make us happy by speaking for us.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
19. Excellent post! I agree!! The Democratic Party that I grew up supporting is no longer there, so
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

bern away.

jalan48

(13,990 posts)
22. Bernie's giving the country a chance for a peaceful political revolution.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:13 AM
Feb 2016

If we choose not to take it we are asking for a violent one. Things aren't ok for most Americans and incremental Wall St. fixes and big trade agreements won't appease the masses in the coming years.

 

platitudipus

(64 posts)
32. +1
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:50 AM
Feb 2016

This is the most bizarre Democratic primary I have ever witnessed. We have (arguably) the most disliked candidate in modern history, running against the (arguably) most beloved candidate in modern history. Why is this not a runaway election?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
42. Good post there.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:37 AM
Feb 2016

And it also comes down to us, individually, to not throw our bucket of water on that fire.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
25. He has been about as negative as you can get without emulating Trump. Let it fly?
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

Ok. let it. Watch out for that boomerang.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
55. Disagree. Trumps negatives are worse and with Trump University, his comments on women and more
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

he has much more to attack than she does. Plus he has already lost the latino community in a big way. African Americans are not going to vote for him. He can't run up the white vote enough to beat her.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
56. 1. African Americans made up 13% of the GE electorate in Obama's reelect year.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

It'll be significantly less this year for Clinton.( or whomever.)

Point: Trump doesn't need AA's.

Women ( i.e. feminists) lgbts, AAs and Hispanics figure prominently in DU discussion, but the real world is something else entirely.

2. Clinton has more areas of vulnerability than any presidential candidate we (DEMs) have ever run.

Trump is an expert on exploiting vulnerabilities.

It'll be entertaining. But not in a good way.


 

Califonz

(465 posts)
26. Television is a "cool" medium, as Marshall McLuhan pointed out in his book Understanding Media
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:26 AM
Feb 2016

Television is mostly used by low-information, low-literacy voters to obtain information.

Regardless of how he gets his message out, the focus should be on the low-information voters he needs to win to his side.

Unfortunately that takes A LOT of money.

The primary schedule has been tailor-made by the DNC to try to sink any candidates other than the DNC's well-funded corporate-friendly candidate, none other than HRC.

I think the "air war" is more important than the "ground war" at this stage of the contest.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
43. Was.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:52 AM
Feb 2016

Hard not to see that it has involved into niches, some including a lot of heat. Professional wrestling and reality TV, for example. I hear the WWE is running a candidate?

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
33. Yes, let it fly Bernie
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:57 AM
Feb 2016

Speak your truth, not that truth that the people who demean your name demand you speak. Excoriate them as the losers that they are.

I'll be voting for the party nominee in November. I hope its Hillary Clinton.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
35. Amen
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016

If you want a revolution you have got to start a revolution and revolutions aren't pretty. Time for him to get revoluting!

King_Klonopin

(1,308 posts)
39. There are two memes being flogged by the Clinton camp and the MSM
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:13 AM
Feb 2016

1) Mocking the use of the term "revolution" as being either a radical or
childish notion.
Not to mention the eye-rolling use of the label, "Socialist".
People like Chris Matthews willfully distort the meaning and the context, and
play the game of acting intentionally obtuse and making literal interpretations.

2) Bernie does not have a "diverse" following (i.e. He appeals only to white
people.)
This is subliminal messaging for "Minorities don't like him." which then leads to
"Minorities don't like him because they smell racism and don't trust him." And
this was spawned from the one comment he made that "ALL lives matter"
when he was asked about BLM movement. A comment made to be all-inclusive
was falsely characterized as insensitivity to minorities.

Which of Bernie's stated positions on the issues do Hillary-supporters, women,
minorities, or progressives denounce?
How does she better represent liberal, progressive values?

These memes are killing Bernie's chances. Political campaigns in the U.S. have been
reduced to finding (or manufacturing) the one or two negatives about your opponent
which can be beaten into the dirt and thereby falsely define him/her.

Examples:
John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a fake war hero.
Bernie Sanders is making empty promises and lacks broad appeal.
Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy and a corporate shill.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
44. One of those things at the end unfortunately is true.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

I wouldn't say just shill, though. She's more a board member.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
48. I believe it was Hillary who said "All Lives Matter"
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton on Tuesday told a crowd at a black church near where the police killing of an unarmed teen propelled the "Black Lives Matter" movement that "all lives matter."

King_Klonopin

(1,308 posts)
51. As I remember it, it was shortly after he announced his candidacy in Vermont
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:01 AM
Feb 2016

The press, and anyone running against him, grabbed on to it like a dog with a bone.
They used it to make him appear as though he did not care about black lives, and
that he was attempting to duck the issue of the lethal use of force by police against
minorities. It was a talking-point for weeks.

I may be wrong, but this meme had its genesis somewhere.

Here is a link to Time magazine article from August 2015:

http://time.com/3996001/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter/

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
50. I don't think Sanders ever said "all lives matter" at least not as a...
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

response to BLM. In a debate still in the O'Malley-Webb-Fratboy era, the question was asked, do black lives matter? And his response was immediate to repeat it. But maybe you're thinking of another case?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
54. Actually only Clinton and O'Malley said "All lives matter"
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

in connection with black lives matter. At least I have not seen any quote from Bernie of that sort.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
52. About to head out to volunteer for Bernie in MI.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:43 AM
Mar 2016

This remains my plea to his campaign if he wants to win in MI.

Draw a contrast. Let MI voters know what they're REALLY getting with Clinton.

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