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Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:33 PM Jan 2012

Long Rant -- one problem with the Democratic party in Arizona

Maybe this doesn't belong here. Maybe it should go in the Arizona group because the problem may not exist elsewhere. Maybe this sort of thing only happens in Arizona, where the crazy is strong.

But even while we watch the other party mount a primary slate of wackadoodle loonies, are we doing any better ourselves?

Well, let me take that back. "Ourselves" implies that there's a "we" involved here, and "we" implies that "I" am part of the "we." I tried that this morning, and it didn't work.

I received an email invitation to an informal get-together of my local Democratic party. Since the time and location of the event and my erratic schedule actually coincided, I sent back an RSVP that I would be attending. I showed up at the appointed time, but had to figure out which group of people congregating at this public place were the Dems. They had no sign, no nothing, to distinguish themselves from any other group in the same place.

When I finally did locate the correct group, I introduced myself to the person who seemed to be in charge. He proved to be the same person to whom my RSVP had been addressed. He thanked me for coming and said it looked like they were going to have a good turn out.

For the next 95 or so minutes, various people talked about various issues and events. No one introduced themselves, with a couple of exceptions I'll get to in a minute. I was not asked to introduce myself. No one else spoke to me, other than the person who looked at the vacant chair next to me and asked, "Is anyone sitting here?" As people spoke on their particular topics -- ranging from monitoring the public speeches of our local wingnut sheriff to inviting people to attend a fundraiser featuring Bernie Sanders -- they did not mention their own names.

It became very clear that they all knew each other very well. I didn't know any of them, although eventually I figured out who one of them was (a local elected official). Whether any of them were party officials, I had no clue.

Two of the attendees were candidates for elective office; they were the only people who introduced themselves by name to the group. One, running for the state legislature, was collecting signatures on his nominating petitions. The Democratic Party, however, had failed to inform him that he could not collect any signatures from our group because we are not in the same county he is. The legislative district includes parts of two counties, but nominating petitions must be for one county only. He had printed all of his petitions with the other county name, and therefore they were invalid for our county.

The other was a candidate for county office. She had nominating petitions available, but never asked me to sign. She did not approach me to see if I lived her district and could vote for her. I might as well have been a bug on the sidewalk for all the notice she took of me.

Another woman spoke at length, again without identifying herself, and passionately begged people to visit her blog and write comments. She went on and on about the website where her blog is located, made a big point out of the fact that she was required to write as herself with a photo and bio and so on, BUT SHE NEVER MENTIONED HER OWN NAME. Again, apparently she just thought everyone knew her. I guess she didn't see the guest in the green jacket sitting directly across from her.

This woman also brought up the issue of early voting, and said she had brought the forms in case anyone wanted to sign up for permanent early voting. She gave details of the percentages of Democratic vs. puke early voters, and so I thought this would be a good opportunity for me to register for permanent early voting. After the meeting was over, I walked to the table where she was sitting and stood in front of her. But she had started talking to someone she apparently already knew, and even though both of them looked in my direction, she never paused in her conversation, never acknowledged my presence, nothing.

And so I left. I spoke to no one. No one spoke to me.

I came home and got online to see if I could find this woman's blog. Again, I had no idea what her name was, but if she had a picture of herself there, I felt confident I could pick her out. I did find her blog, and I noticed that her most recent post is two weeks old and even though she's a Democratic party official, her post is directed at Independents.

There I was, a good Democrat, hauling my warm body to a Democratic party event only to be snubbed by all the Democrats there, and when I go to a Democrat's blog, all she's interested in are fucking Independents?????

So --

1. I posted a brief and critical comment to their FB page.
2. I sent a longer and more critical email to the person who organized the meeting.
3. I posted a critical comment on the woman's blog.

ARE THEY ALL THIS LOONY, or is it just



Tansy Gold



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Long Rant -- one problem with the Democratic party in Arizona (Original Post) Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 OP
I stopped going to mine because all they did was complain about everything. Never wanted to madmom Jan 2012 #1
Sounds like you live in Yavapai County. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #2
No, not Yavapai Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #6
A little surprised that it was Pinal County. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #26
Hey Yavapai County! Sedona Jan 2012 #15
I admire your commitment. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #27
Sheesh ... frazzled Jan 2012 #3
There's a Democratic party in Arizona? HopeHoops Jan 2012 #4
Yeah, there is, and we even elect Democrats -- or have you forgotten Gaby Giffords so soon? n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #8
Hell no. That was disgusting and I'm amazed by her recovery. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #12
Oh hell yeah! My experience in Tucson is OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2012 #9
Seriously? I've never heard that before. Good for you! HopeHoops Jan 2012 #13
Another name you might be familiar with -- Raśl Grijalva Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #17
Okay, I cave - I don't know who he is. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #18
Then may I politely suggest Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #19
Point taken. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #22
Tucson is awesome. ellisonz Jan 2012 #20
I love Tucson! Wait Wut Jan 2012 #28
Does the Name Janet Napolitano ring a bell? Sedona Jan 2012 #16
And THIS is why the Democratic party needed, AND STILL NEEDS, Howard Dean! loudsue Jan 2012 #5
+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #21
error on the dfa group link barbtries Jan 2012 #34
Thanks! ellisonz Jan 2012 #35
Please cross post this on the Arizona forum. OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2012 #7
Great rant Tansy, and I do hope you were forceful when posting in her blog. n/t monmouth Jan 2012 #10
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jan 2012 #11
Yes, there's a certain lack of common sense here. I paid marybourg Jan 2012 #14
Last I checked they weren't running ANYONE against Ben Quayle, the biggest douchebag in congress Bombtrack Jan 2012 #23
And that's another thing that bothers me. Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #25
That's common in AZ. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #29
It's not just you XemaSab Jan 2012 #24
Tis post makes me long for Dean's 50 state strategy. JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #30
Absolutely. n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #31
I've been pining for it too... ellisonz Jan 2012 #32
It should be every state, every office, every election. n/t Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #33
No It is not you BlueLiddy Jan 2012 #36
Welcome to DU BlueLiddy Sedona Jan 2012 #37

madmom

(9,681 posts)
1. I stopped going to mine because all they did was complain about everything. Never wanted to
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:39 PM
Jan 2012

plan anything , just sit and complain.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
2. Sounds like you live in Yavapai County.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jan 2012

Same experience 2 years ago. There were a couple of really nice people, but the ones "in charge" came off as very cliquish and uninterested in the newcomers. They also constantly have their gatherings/meetings during the week in the middle of the afternoon. Most of them were retired, I'm not. When I asked why they have such inconvenient times, she shrugged and said, "most people want their weekends free".

Whatever.

Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
6. No, not Yavapai
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:01 PM
Jan 2012

Pinal.

I suspect most of the people at this morning's meeting are retired, but apparently they do have their meetings on Saturday mornings which suggests some of them work.

The thing is, politics in Pinal County are at an interesting juncture right now, which is one of the reasons I wanted to get a little more involved. Our Arpaio-lite wingnut sheriff, Paul Babeu, is apparently going to try to run for congress in a primary against two seasoned pukes. If he loses the primary, he can't file to run for sheriff again. There's a very good chance he won't win the primary. And I actually had some comments I wanted to make about a possible strategy to oust Babeu, but couldn't get a word in edgewise even when I tried. And I'm sorry, but I'm not aggressive and rude enough to just jump up and shout in some nice man's face, "YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT AND YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME" to get their attention. I expect someone to moderate the discussion and like, you know, acknowledge me and find out what I had to say. Instead, I was just ignored.

And while I may not be rude and aggressive, I'm decidedly vindictive. Rather than sulk, I made my posts, and so far I've received two apologies -- one via email, one on FB -- from the guy who organized the meeting, saying he was sorry for not making sure I was introduced to the others, blah, blah, blah, and asking for another chance.

It's teh stoopid, it burnzzzzz. .. . .

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
26. A little surprised that it was Pinal County.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jan 2012

I figured you'd have "better" Dems than Yavapai. I don't think Babeu has a chance in hell, but then again, I keep forgetting that our Democrats in Arizona are...for the most part...lazy and jaded.

I think a lot of it has to do with the drastic generational divide in Arizona. We have a lot of seniors and a lot of young people, but lack the 30-40 something crowd that actually votes and and is raising a family.

It is good that you received a few responses. Hopefully, they're genuine and will take actions to change.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
15. Hey Yavapai County!
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jan 2012

I only ever hear from the Dem party every two years when they need a precient committeeperson, which I have been dutifully agreeing to for going on 15 years.

I guess they get more money from the National Party if they fill all the positions.

Otherwise, since I'm a single working mom and thier meetings are alway in the middle of the week in the middle of the day, I'm persona non grata.

Yup Yavapai County dems are old, rich and are not very welcoming to new comers, and since I've been a Yavapai County resident since 1993, I guess they still consider me a new comer





Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
27. I admire your commitment.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jan 2012

The husband and I were prct. committee folks, the husband was captain...for one year. The only thing they wanted us to do was to go door to door (I have health problems and work full-time, the husband is self-employed and busy). They didn't want to hear what we had to say, didn't want our ideas, when they would actually listen to an idea they'd come up with some stupid excuse why it wouldn't/couldn't work and then go back to planning their events at times when we weren't available.

If you actually live in Sedona, you're lucky. I live in your much redder, older, bigoted neighbor. Can you guess?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. Sheesh ...
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jan 2012

Well, it's good you sent an email to the person who organized the meeting. I think you should cc a copy of the email to the state Democratic Party chair. I don't know how many people were at your meeting, but if it was small enough, they should have at least gone around the room to have people introduce themselves.

It sounds like this is a group that's pretty much given up, that doesn't have a great sense of organization, and that doesn't know how to run meetings. That said, these people are just volunteers, so be proactive when you contact them.

It took me a while to get to know people when I first started going to Democratic Town Committee meetings in my town in Massachusetts, but I was eventually slated to run for election as a state delegate, and things did become clearer to me: I learned a lot about the structure of the town issues, how elections ran there, etc.

Since moving to Chicago, I don't even know where to go for such a meeting. I've done some campaign work for my alderman, and I've done some OFA stuff, but when you live in an area of high rises it's pretty damned anonymous. I had a reaction similar to yours however when we first moved here. I got a mailer from the State Democratic Party to contribute: I sent in a modest donation (it was an election year). That was the last I ever heard from them: no informational newsletters or email, no nothing. I essentially decided they didn't really want anything but my money, so I stopped giving.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
12. Hell no. That was disgusting and I'm amazed by her recovery.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jan 2012

But seriously, does the party really have a chance there? I'm in semi-blue PA, but my district is solid red. I helped kick out Mr. Frothy, but for the most part my vote doesn't count - but I vote anyway.

Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
17. Another name you might be familiar with -- Raśl Grijalva
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:04 PM
Jan 2012

He's co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

HE'S FROM ARIZONA.




sheesh.

Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
19. Then may I politely suggest
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jan 2012

That since you know virtually nothing about Arizona politics -- and apparently not even about national progressive politics if you don't know Grijalva is cochair of teh CPS with Keith Ellison -- you refrain from making broad-brush, snarky, negative comments?


TG

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
20. Tucson is awesome.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 07:26 AM
Jan 2012

I canvassed for Dean in Tucson in 2004. I was very impressed with those that fed us quite well and welcomed us Californians into their homes. Thank you Tucson awesome people!

On the staleness of some of the local Democratic establishments; it's sad, and I've heard horror stories about even here in SoCal there is still some stuffiness.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
28. I love Tucson!
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jan 2012

A million times better than Phx., that paved part of the desert with no culture! The people of Tucson are much friendlier, as well. Beautiful place.

"Staleness" is the perfect description of the Yav Dems.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
5. And THIS is why the Democratic party needed, AND STILL NEEDS, Howard Dean!
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 06:57 PM
Jan 2012

This kind of thing is killing the democratic party in red areas, where there are some serious democrats waiting to be cultivated.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
21. +1000
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jan 2012

The good thing is that Democracy for America is still active and kicking!

The link in my signature will take you right to the DFA DU Group I've been putting together which covers a lot of what they've been doing for the last month and how to access resources.

Aloha

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
7. Please cross post this on the Arizona forum.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:03 PM
Jan 2012
I'm going to forward the link to one of the folks who writes for Blog for Arizona and I will also print out a copy and take it to Drinking Liberally Tucson tomorrow. We have GOT to do better than this!

A few months ago, Jim Hightower spoke at a kick off meeting in Tucson for Progressive Dems of America. One of his lines was about getting Dems to work together being like herding cats. His comment was that folks who say you can't herd cats have never heard of a can opener. Sounds like we need to start passing out can openers.

Sorry to hear about your experience. Glad you told the organizers about it and I will try to pass your experience along to a few of the right people. We simply HAVE to do better.

marybourg

(12,629 posts)
14. Yes, there's a certain lack of common sense here. I paid
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 07:27 PM
Jan 2012

to attend a fundraising luncheon for Janet when she was running for governor. It was to be held at a restaurant in one of the senior communities and was tageted at seniors. When we got there it turned out it was being held not IN the restaurant, but in the garden outside, which was down a steep ramp and in the bright sun. My husband can't walk down a ramp (without his walker, which he hadn't brought) and I can't be in the sun (without protective clothing and sunscreen, which I hadn't brought). The attendees were all meant to be seniors. Couldn't somebody have figured out that it would be sensible to mention that the lunch was to be held outdoors and that there was a steep incline? We had to turn around and leave, abandoning the price we had already paid. We never attended another Dem function.

Bombtrack

(9,523 posts)
23. Last I checked they weren't running ANYONE against Ben Quayle, the biggest douchebag in congress
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 10:25 AM
Jan 2012

that pisses me off. Nobody even responded to my thread about it in the Arizona group.

Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
25. And that's another thing that bothers me.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:12 AM
Jan 2012

When I lived in Maricopa (Arpaioland) County, the Dems were pathetic. Really pathetic. I do not understand how ANY party can allow uncontested races.

Yet at this meeting, one of the women -- I have no clue what her name was -- sat there and proposed that they come up with a strategy of switching registrations to Independent so they could vote in GOP primary for the least terrible of three people running BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DEMOCRAT.

A lot -- maybe half??? -- of the offices Maricopa County and Pinal County voters elect have no Dems even running. And it's not a matter of money because we still do have public financing of elections in this state.

What's further sad is that half an hour of this meeting was taken up by some gentleman going on and on and on about the "dirt" he was digging up on Sheriff Paul Babeu. I tried raising my hand or trying to make a comment, but of course I was not acknowledged. What too many Dems do not understand is that the right wing voter DOESN'T CARE about that dirt. They operate on a mindset that "the rich and powerful" are different and are entitled to behave outside the standard that's set for the hoi polloi. Did Mark Sanford resign? Did David Vitter? Did Larry Craig? Has Joe Arpaio? Newt? McCain? HELLO!!!???? RWers believe in inequality, and that means they don't give a rat's ass about Paul Babeu's financial chicanery. They don't care about his lies. They don't care about his background. They don't care about the conflict of interest of having his brother as Justice of the Peace, which forces the county to pay other judges to hear cases involving the sheriff's department.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT and it's just fucking stupid to waste time and energy on that, when what they should be doing is finding people to run against him.

Sorry. yes, Quayle is a piece of dung and he'll soon be joined by another, because the Dems are so wussy.


Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
29. That's common in AZ.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jan 2012

Christ himself could run against a Republican and the AZ Dems would claim he doesn't have a chance so we shouldn't waste the money. When they said they weren't going to help fund a Democratic opponent in the race against McCain, that's when I wrote them a letter and said that I wouldn't be sending them anymore money. I'll stick to donating money to individual candidates NATIONWIDE instead of wasting my money on a local organization that doesn't give a shit.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
24. It's not just you
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jan 2012

The party here is SO disorganized. I don't even think there's a list of who the democrats are in Shasta County.

I don't know if this is as true for Arizona as it is for California, but the state party is terribly organized. Every election they figure Shasta's going to go red, so they don't bother. Yes, we're 60% republican, but that's 72,000 votes that they're walking away from. You can't expect to get elected if you don't show up.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
30. Tis post makes me long for Dean's 50 state strategy.
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jan 2012

Too many of our local parties ore stale, with the same leadership for ages and any notion of change or newness avoided at all costs. What a shame.

Julie

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
32. I've been pining for it too...
Sun Jan 15, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jan 2012

Seeing Jim Messina on a fundraising video outlining which swing state's they are going after makes me think it's being abandoned.

1. The 50 State Strategy is brilliant because it makes Republicans have to defend almost everywhere.
2. The 50 State Strategy doesn't just build a campaign for one election, but builds for the long-term across the entire ticket.
3. The 50 State Strategy doesn't tell broad swaths of the country that the Democratic Party isn't interested in their vote.

It's a perfect

BlueLiddy

(1 post)
36. No It is not you
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 08:44 PM
Jan 2012

I am a Democrat in Prescott area. You cannot get any info from anyone and they are all seemingly in disarray. We do have up here a Woman's luncheon where we get some info and there is the Co meeting but otherwise it's a bust. I am sure part of the problem is that this is AZ and at least up here Democrats never get elected. It is a waste of time to even have candidates to run. One time since 1993 a Dem won to go to the State legislator for two years and that only happened because all the Republicans knew that their unopposed representative was nuts. Next election Camerot was defeated. Kirkpatrick won the congressional seat but that was because our Rep Congressman was being indicted. She was defeated when she ran again..so I guess I have seen 2. There really is no reason for the Democratic Party to run anyone up here. I think they do all know each other. There are so few of us. Ahahahahah Also, the truth is that the State Democratic Party does not allow anyone to win a primary who is not pre-selected by them. We don't really have democratic voting up here..probably not in the whole state. And the State Democratic Party seems to be a Good Ole Boys Club...At least up my way, no one who actually has a chance to win the nomination and the State Dem Party doesn't want that person to win, that person doesn't win. They drop out of the campaign or they make it so their funding dries up. So, they don't need to know anyones name...they only need to know themselves. LOL

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