Hillary's Email Problem

[MariaThinks]

This email problem has been overblown to hurt Hillary - mostly by the desparate republicans who probably held a focus session and decided that this was a way to bring her popularity down.

How do I know this?

Logically, what is the accusation? She had a private email server set up? Most other politicians have done the same thing. Her emails are around if anyone wants to retrieve them - as evidenced by the fact that the emails are being found (this is like the bullshit bush arguments that Hussein was very powerful but we could destroy him in a day).

Nothing has been reported about any wrongdoing in the emails themselves. If she wanted to do something, I think she was rich enough (you know from her speaking fees) to buy her own private smart phone.


(reposting in the proper forum)

[Ned_Devine]

1. I'm not hung up on the emails, myself.

To be honest, I personally don't like her coziness with Wall Street. I really didn't like the campaign she ran against Obama back in 2008 either. It left a sour taste in my mouth because I used to like Bill Clinton before then. After that I saw them both in such a different light. It seemed like they would do just about anything to win including scorched earth type stuff. A lot of folks will say "that's just politics" but it seemed like something more. This time around it really feels like there's a collusion between the party bosses and the Clintons and it makes me uneasy. I think there are many more like me that feel this way. As for the email thing, it seems like it could be just one more scandal to hover over the Clintons (manufactured or real). I know you didn't ask my opinion and you may even dismiss me. I just wanted to say this in a civil way and not be the "Nyah nyah nyah! Your candidate is corrupt!" poster.

[Recoverin_Republican]

2. according to OpenSecrets.org WS's donations to HRC campaign as % of HRC's total is 3.9%

... by counting super-PACs - it comes to 7%. 7% is about 1/14th of the total donations. 3.9% is 1/26th.

Now, I don't know if it's really 'kosher' to count PAC money - they aren't contributions to the campaign but even if you did count PAC money - does anybody think 1/14th of the total contributions would make the receiver feel compelled to offer some preferential treatment - for 1/14th of the total (if you want to count PAC money - without counting PAC money the proportion is 1/26th)? That's if you assume HRC is inclined to be influenced by some sectors contributions - without evidence to support such an assumption.

People want to compare her to Sanders, but it's a false comparison because the GOP is salivating to get Sanders as an opponent. They know their consummate skills as demonizers of anybody who opposes them will be devastating to a Sanders candidacy. One GOPer said they would win all the states in the GE if Sanders was their opponent.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/12/actually-hillary-clintons-wall-street-money-more-than-double-that-3-percent/

[Ned_Devine]

6. The election, just as they all do will come down to swing states

and Bernie has the GOP beat in head to head match ups in nearly all of them. I'm not concerned with what one GOP'er said.

[karynnj]

3. "most other politicians" -- can you name .... ONE

Not to mention, most other politicians are not Secretary of State. No previous secretary of State used their own server -- including Powell, who did use both a government and a personal email account.

[MariaThinks]

5. Jeb, Colin Powell.

[karynnj]

7. Colin Powell used Both A government and a personal account

This is not a private server. I am not sure about Jeb, but he did not handle national security information.

[doxyluv13]

4. Could be as you said or it could be very bad.

What's been released of her emails, tho embarrassing in places, hasn't been terribly damaging. This should remain true unless Clinton is forced to release the emails she'd designated "private" and they show that she was using the designation for work-related emails she wanted to hide from FOIA requests. There's no reason to think this will happen, at this point.

But….

The handling of classified materials on un-secured servers is much more serious. It calls into question her fitness to be Commander-in-Chief at the very least. There are something like 100 FBI agents working on this and there are already calls for a Special Prosecutor. Just last week, it was reported they'd found the exact wording of at least a couple highly classified sources in the unsecured emails. People have gone to jail for exactly that. Tho I think that's unlikely to happen here, I don't think any kind of clean bill she's given by the Obama Admin. which she was once a member of, is likely to mean much.

[Oilwellian]

8. It's a problem, to be sure

What are the key legal dangers facing Clinton and her aides? Here are just a few.

* Hillary Clinton deliberately set up a private email server for herself and her top State Department aides. She used it to store over 1,800 documents now deemed classified, some highly classified. The sheer bulk of the security violations is extraordinary. Intelligence professionals agree the server was almost certainly hacked by foreign agencies—probably by several.

* Secretary Clinton specifically instructed aides to send her classified materials on that unsecure network. We know of at least one such instruction. We don’t know how many others were redacted by the State Department.

* Because her server was private, the State Department’s records did not include its contents when responding to Freedom of Information Act requests. The department wrongly told FOIA applicants that no such materials existed. Not only did the materials exist (on Clinton’s server), senior officials knew it and allowed false denials to be made.

* Some documents on the Clinton server contained the intelligence-gathering methods, the names of undercover agents, and real-time disclosures of top officials’ movements. Aside from the nuclear launch codes, these are the most closely guarded secrets in the U.S. government. That material is “classified at birth,” as Clinton, Mills, Abedin, and Sullivan certainly knew. To avoid any misunderstanding, they had all taken mandatory training in the proper treatment of sensitive and classified materials.

* Some of the classified materials on Clinton’s server originated in intelligence agencies outside the State Department and came into the department on a secure, classified network. They were marked as such. They could only be transferred to Clinton’s unsecured network by hand. Each occurrence was a felony. Since the server has now been recovered, the FBI and intelligence agencies know who sent those messages and who received them at the State Department.

* The Clinton Foundation and some private businesses were deeply involved in the State Department’s business. The lines were blurred between Hillary Clinton’s official role as secretary of state and her unofficial role at a major foundation, headed by her husband, that was showered with money from people and companies working with the State Department. At best, the arrangements were sleazy. At worst, they were criminal “pay to play.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/29/hillarys_victories_mean_painful_legal_choices_for_doj_wh.html

[Motown_Johnny]

9. The accusation is that she mishandled top secret information.

The private email server is the method by which she allegedly mishandled the information. It is not the accusation in of or by itself.

There are at least 22 emails with top secret information in them. Your claim that "Nothing has been reported about any wrongdoing in the emails themselves." is not correct.


If you really don't understand that you should not be posting on this subject.


If you do understand that your OP is dishonest.



http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/22-hillary-clinton-emails-declared-top-secret-218420


^snip^


22 Hillary Clinton emails declared 'top secret' by State Dept.

A new batch of just over 900 messages released Friday contains 11 deemed 'secret'.



The furor over Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account grew more serious for the Democratic presidential front-runner Friday as the State Department designated 22 of the messages from her account “top secret.”
It was the first time State has formally deemed any of Clinton’s emails classified at that level, reserved for information that can cause “exceptionally grave” damage to national security if disclosed.


State did not provide details on the subjects of the messages, which represent seven email chains and a total of 37 pages. State spokesman John Kirby said they are part of a set the intelligence community inspector general told Congress contained information that was classified because it dealt with Special Access Programs.