Rep Tulsi Gabbard Slams Clinton's Failed Foreign Policy Record

[Mufaddal]

I don't like Gabbard, but I agree with what she says here.

Still, I doubt it will persuade many Clinton voters for the following reason: if military intervention and regime change is an important issue for you (as in, you're mainly against them because you have the capability of learning from history), then you're probably already voting for Bernie.

Her point about Hillary owing an apology for her Iraq vote is valid, though, IMO.

[berni_mccoy]

1. She is awesome.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. She is?

Tulsi Gabbard mocked President Obama and John Kerry after they linked extremism to poverty

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Here's an interesting article:

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“Meet the Democrat Who’s Not Afraid to Criticize President Obama on ISIS,” intones a recent ABC News headline. The story describes remarks by Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D), who has for the past month been all over the media slamming Obama's refusal to directly associate ISIS and other terrorists with the Islamic faith.

She's particularly a favorite of right-wing media. Appearing with Fox's Neil Cavuto last week, she lashed out at the White House for holding an extremism summit with Muslim Americans, saying it's a “diversion from what our real focus needs to be. And that focus is on that Islamic extremist threat.” She criticized Obama for saying that “poverty, lack of access to jobs, lack of access to education” is contributing to radicalization. “They are not fueled by materialistic motivation, it's actually a theological, this radical Islamic ideology,” she said, throwing red meat to Fox viewers.

To the media, Gabbard is a curious spectacle. She's a Hawaii Democrat, coming from one of the nation's most progressive and dovish chapters of the Democratic Party, but she's also an Iraq war veteran, and she's consistently tried to outflank President Obama and the rest of her party to the right on foreign affairs. Last month she openly mocked Secretary of State John Kerry during an appearance on CNN, saying that he thinks that, "if we give them Islamic extremists $10,000 and give them a nice place to live that somehow they're not going to be engaged in this fighting."To Gabbard, the idea that Syria and Iraq have been through years of brutal civil war, wrecked economies, and massive displacement is irrelevant; the only reason they have an extremism problem is because of Islamic theology.

Read more:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard

[DavidDvorkin]

5. Attacking Hillary Clinton is sufficient to make her awesome on DU.

[JaneyVee]

8. Yup, and trashed Obama for not calling it "Islamic terrorism" and...

She voted with GOP to refuse Syrian refugees.

[monicaangela]

13. I believe Tulsi Gabbard

was correct in her criticism. In the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the U.S., the threat of militant Islamic terrorism -- rooted in the Middle East and South Asia -- has taken center stage. While these extremely violent religious extremists represent a minority view, their threat is real. As pointed out by RAND's Bruce Hoffman, in 1980 two out of 64 groups were categorized as largely religious in motivation; in 1995 almost half of the identified groups, 26 out of 56, were classified as religiously motivated; the majority of these espoused Islam as their guiding force.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/modern.html

[kristopher]

17. So do I. A vote for Hillary is a vote for LOTS more war. nt

[monicaangela]

21. Exactly.....this ^^ is the truth!

[monicaangela]

3. Support the Troops!

Isn't that what we hear any time the warmongers make a mistake and cause the deaths of the young men and women who give their lives for the failed policies Tulsi Gabbard is describing? I believe the people of this country love to put blinders on and ignore the truth about warmongers until we are in the next quagmire and it is too late. Hillary Clinton has been terrible as far as foreign policy is concerned. She appears to have a different attitude toward the lives of the children of others than she does of her own. And then there's that Bosnia thing. How could anyone get it so wrong? Does she live in an alternate universe or is she just a liar?

[NWCorona]

4. Great video!

[BernieforPres2016]

26. Thanks for posting

Anybody who watches this video and won't acknowledge that Hillary is a pathological liar is in denial.

[monicaangela]

28. I agree BernieforPres2016

Anybody that has followed the life of this career politician would realize right away she is intent on assuming power for herself, her family, and the corporations that own her. And, it appears we have a lot of people who are in denial on this site...they just refuse to accept the truth.

[BernieforPres2016]

30. These lies from Hillary in the CBS News video are exactly like what Brian Williams did

Williams was suspended for a lengthy period and then demoted to MSNBC.

Apparently the standard to remain anchor of the NBC Nightly News is higher than to be the frontrunner for the Democratic Party nominee for President.

[monicaangela]

35. I believe you are correct

Many on this site really have very low standards when it comes to who will be making policies that will effect their lives in the future. Anybody who accepts this and other pathological this woman has told in the past and continues to support her deserves exactly what they are going to get. That is if these lies don't defeat her in the general if she wins the primary. If the lies do defeat her, we are in for even worse. It appears some don't care about that either.

[JaneyVee]

6. Hillary apologized. Over and over and over again.

This is why Im now against her releasing transcripts, nothing will ever satisfy that crowd. Nothing. Dont give em an inch, Hillary.

[Mufaddal]

10. "It was a mistake" is not an apology

And, incidentally, her continuous characterization of the vote as a mere "mistake" is offensive on any number of levels. If you watch the video, incidentally, you'll see that Gabbard says "I have not heard" Clinton apologize. I haven't heard it either, but if you want to post a link of an actual apology, then it's an instance where I'd be happy to be wrong.

As for the transcripts--yeah, why bother with transparency for its own sake? Silly idea, really. I mean, who just does the right thing because it's the right thing to do?

[monicaangela]

18. Let's face it JaneyVee

She's a WARMONGER.

[kristopher]

20. She apologized but is still eager to do it again - She Sells War!

She's a warmonger who sees profit and opportunity in the chaos it creates.

[actslikeacarrot]

36. Yeah, poor Hillary is the victim here...

...not the troops, the troops families, the families in Iraq... Nah you're probably right it's hillary.

[wyldwolf]

7. you do realize, of course, part of her beef is Hillary hasn't been hawkish enough

[KingFlorez]

9. For the record, Gabbard is a hawk

She criticized Obama for not using the term radical Islam and has been labeled a hawk by the National Review. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416313/meet-hip-beautiful-tough-young-democrat-whos-turning-heads-challenging-obamas-foreign

[Mufaddal]

11. See first sentence of my post.

I don't like Gabbard. Not only do I think she's hawkish (especially on the subject of Palestine--but then, so is Hillary), but I find her ties to, and support of, India's fascist BJP/RSS & Modi, to be repulsive.

It is possible, however, to not like someone yet be able to admit what they are saying in a specific instance is true.

[KingFlorez]

19. Understood

I was just adding more to the discussion for others who might read this thread.

[kristopher]

22. That's interesting. I took your remark as an attempt to marginalize what she said.

And on reviewing the remark it still looks the way.

[Mufaddal]

24. That's cool

To be fair, I was attempting to respond to a number of posts there, not just yours.

[MaggieD]

12. Couldn't care less what republican lite Gabbard thinks

She changed her party affiliation because it's near impossible for a republican to elected to congress in Hawaii.

[Mufaddal]

14. No. 1 HRC strategy on DU: Shoot the messenger

In thread after thread after thread.

"You got that from what site? Who said that?"

DU is a universe where facts are no longer facts, assertions are no longer evaluated on their own merit; something is only true or false, valuable or worthless based solely on the source. That's what happens when you turn your politics into a slavish cult mentality. (And yes, you can make the same criticism of Sanders supporters, and you'd be right--but that doesn't make it any less excusable from either side.)

Do I think Gabbard "Republican lite"? Yeah. I think the same thing about Hillary, though.

[kristopher]

23. Funny isn't it. Republican lites criticizing a Republican lite for criticizing a Republican lite. nt

[Mufaddal]

25. We're living in strange times

and they're only getting stranger.

[MaggieD]

32. Except you'd be wrong about Clinton

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

[Mufaddal]

33. Way to address my substantive points

What can I say? I disagree, and I think the article is cherry picking. But here's the part relevant to this thread:

There have been a few issues on which Hillary Clinton has taken more centrist positions. She, of course, voted for the Iraq War (she now says that was a mistake). Clinton has been mostly pro free trade (although she hasn’t said much of anything on the Trans-Pacific Partnership). And she has been against marijuana legalization, and seemingly remains so.

Still, nothing about Honduras, nothing about Libya, nothing about Syria, nothing even about Iran. Probably because those things would not support the central argument of the article.

[Betty Karlson]

16. That's rich coming from someone who supports a candidate running to the right of Bush 2000. eom

[MaggieD]

27. Oh bullshit

Hillary is demonstrably more liberal than either Obama or Bill. Meanwhile you're high fiving Gabbard who is a fake Democrat. But whatever. I guess Sanders supporters can't be too picky when it comes to endorsements since he has so few.

[kristopher]

29. How many realms are there by which we should measure 'liberalness'?

I come up with 3 basic areas:
Foreign policy
Social issues
Economic policy

What specific history policy support in these 3 realms identify Hillary as a raging liberal IYO?

[MaggieD]

31. Here is an article full of examples

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/

[kristopher]

34. So there are no specifics that YOU are keying to, right?

You are just 'for Hillary' and then after the decision you look for justification when challenged on some point??

The reason I ask is I back Bernie specifically because of the policies he is striving to implement.
I embraced him over the OMalley Cloned Agenda because of Bernie's authenticity and record of consistency.

Hillary is running a campaign based on identity politics designed to fracture the voting public into small blocks that can be targeted with messaging (that is often contradictory when looked at big-picture) that pits one group against another.

Bernie is running a campaign that looks to unite those same groups into a larger force that can work to make fundamental changes which can bestow major, major benefits on all of the groups.

[Matariki]

37. +1 Well said Kristopher

[Betty Karlson]

38. Seen this? It calls your reply bovine excrement.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/hillary-clintons-betrayal-of-the-american-left.html

[Betty Karlson]

15. Gabbard is spot on.