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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:50 PM Mar 2016

Bill Clinton did not break the law

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/bill-clinton-campaigning-polling-place-super-tuesday/index.html

"Brian McNiff, spokesman for the secretary of the commonwealth of Massachusetts, says shaking hands alone isn't prohibited. Explicit campaigning is what's banned within 150 feet of a polling places.

"Just meeting people doesn't constitute campaigning," McNiff told CNN. "We received no information that anything like that happened."


I don't think he should have done this, but he broke no laws, and does anyone really think that his showing up actually got people to change their vote?

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Bill Clinton did not break the law (Original Post) Andy823 Mar 2016 OP
He purposely went to those polling places in hopes of swinging the votes his way bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
he gave a campaign speech with a bullhorn questionseverything Mar 2016 #14
This is just basically a lowlife kind of a move. But not surprising, unfortunately. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #26
And it was quite clearly less than 150 feet n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #30
You are absolutely correct! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #43
Public perception is everything, and the Clintons are always leading the way Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #27
Why was he anywhere near a polling place? marions ghost Mar 2016 #2
I think that is a good word for it... Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #46
These are the folks who will bring about election reform? marions ghost Mar 2016 #48
Why do that??? UglyGreed Mar 2016 #3
Come Onnnn!!!! A Former President And Husband Of A Candidate Shaking Hands At A Polling Place.... global1 Mar 2016 #4
He was doing more than shaking hands Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #51
"I just wanted to hear the sumbitch deny it once." -LBJ alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #5
He didn't have sexual relations with that woman either nt Depaysement Mar 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Journeyman Mar 2016 #7
Wow, he doesn't seem to know what Bill Clinton did. Watch the video. madfloridian Mar 2016 #8
I watched your video Andy823 Mar 2016 #54
..... UglyGreed Mar 2016 #9
Does putting up a yard sign or wearing a t-shirt OrwellwasRight Mar 2016 #10
Yes, it is angrychair Mar 2016 #16
wasnt he making speaches? 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #11
It's not the campaigning 150 away from a poll that matters votesparks Mar 2016 #12
it would matter if it was some regular person,it is illegal questionseverything Mar 2016 #21
Exactly Right! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #31
exactly jg10003 Mar 2016 #34
Are. You. Shitting. Me. angrychair Mar 2016 #13
it's ok. He's a Clinton 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #20
I know, right` angrychair Mar 2016 #28
Yes he did. There's a video of him campaigning. Cheaters who get away with it. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #15
Much ado about nothing, as usual. MoonRiver Mar 2016 #17
"I Especially Thank Those Who Support Hillary" Jesus. Can't BELIEVE Du'ers are defending this shit! AzDar Mar 2016 #29
They will defend literally anything. "Whatever It Takes(tm)" arcane1 Mar 2016 #36
THIS IS UNREAL!!! marions ghost Mar 2016 #52
I'm on the election board in our precinct in PA. A state livetohike Mar 2016 #18
how about if he gave a campaign speech with a bullhorn? questionseverything Mar 2016 #25
Dirty pool! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #38
He did not campaign with that woman! EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #19
In the video I saw he had an f'ing bullhorn!!!! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #22
He Had a MEGAPHONE... thanking Hillary supporters!! Which part of this do you NOT GET?? AzDar Mar 2016 #23
He used a megaphone to campaign within 20 feet of a polling place. jeff47 Mar 2016 #24
Yes, he broke the law. n/t zazen Mar 2016 #32
not even close to the Sanders camp stealing their rival's campaign data bigtree Mar 2016 #33
ummm UglyGreed Mar 2016 #42
Right, try to distract from the well known character flaws of DOMA Bill and his entitled and deeply Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #45
Why didn't they launch that investigation Clinton wanted Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #50
Many People reported NOT BEING ABLE TO VOTE due to his illegal electioneering! AzDar Mar 2016 #35
Yes, he did. n/t JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #37
yes he did INdemo Mar 2016 #39
ANOTHER Clinton controversy Karma13612 Mar 2016 #40
Advocates for Candidates aren't allowed to do electioneering inside KoKo Mar 2016 #41
Use of double negative sentence structure is a tell that one is lying or under stress: GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #44
That's what I call setting a high bar for conduct Doctor_J Mar 2016 #47
They're too smart to actually break any laws gollygee Mar 2016 #49
WTF Politicalboi Mar 2016 #53
"It depends what the meaning of "is" is" artislife Mar 2016 #55

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
1. He purposely went to those polling places in hopes of swinging the votes his way
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

by the fact that he is an ex President. Corrupt.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
26. This is just basically a lowlife kind of a move. But not surprising, unfortunately.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

And in the video I saw, he was giving a speech quite clearly with a bullhorn.

Baitball Blogger

(46,704 posts)
27. Public perception is everything, and the Clintons are always leading the way
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

to encourage unethical practices.

global1

(25,244 posts)
4. Come Onnnn!!!! A Former President And Husband Of A Candidate Shaking Hands At A Polling Place....
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

doesn't constitute campaigning. What a crock!!!!!!

Response to Andy823 (Original post)

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
54. I watched your video
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

I saw a video of Bill Clinton talking, and some arrows pointing one way saying it was the polling place, and another arrow pointing the other way saying Bernie supporters with signs. Not one time did the person taking the video pan over to the entrance of the polling place to who how far away it was, nor did it pan over to the Bernie supporters with signs. Am I supposed to take the word of whoever posted the video, and explanation, simple because they said it was less that 150 feet? If I had taken the video I would have shown the entrance and the Bernie supports from the same position I was filming Clinton.

Sorry, but that video proved nothing about the distance or the other complaints about the Bernie supporters with signs. Also the link I provided said nobody had complained. Why didn't the person with the video complain and show the video to someone who could investigate it and check the actual distance from Clinton to the polling place?

Again, according the the link I provided he did not break any laws.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
10. Does putting up a yard sign or wearing a t-shirt
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

"actually [cause] people to change their vote"? I don't think so. What sane person votes because of a t-shirt?

But hey, if my sign or t-shirt isn't allowed in a polling place because of the appearance of impropriety, isn't it the same thing?

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
12. It's not the campaigning 150 away from a poll that matters
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

it's the traffic jam that occurs near the poll location because of his Secret Service detail for people trying to get into vote, discouraging voters from voting.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
13. Are. You. Shitting. Me.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

Are you kidding!?! The former POTUS and husband to one of the candidates, shows up at a polling station, GOES INSIDE, shaking hands and taking pictures and that is not campaigning???

If that isn't campaigning than I don't know what is

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
20. it's ok. He's a Clinton
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

and laws are for the little people, not them.

I bet hell would have been raised if it was Jane Sanders though.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
28. I know, right`
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

Even more so though, he is a former POTUS, everything he does is political. Especially when his wife is on the ballot during a primary election going on IN THAT POLLING PLACE. To say it is not campaigning is bullshit.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
29. "I Especially Thank Those Who Support Hillary" Jesus. Can't BELIEVE Du'ers are defending this shit!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
52. THIS IS UNREAL!!!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:34 PM
Mar 2016

I actually think this could backfire. He comes off like a crazy snake oil salesman. Is this his idea of a good photo op?

Has he lost his mind?

I like that big "BANKERS FOR HILLARY" sign behind him...

Some guy yells "this is our polling place too!!"

"Feel the Bern, Slick Willy!" gets a big applause at the end.

livetohike

(22,142 posts)
18. I'm on the election board in our precinct in PA. A state
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

Congressman who was up for re-election came into our polling place to say hello. He shook hands with all of us and those waiting to vote. He did not pass any campaign literature or ask for anyone's vote. It is not illegal to say hello and shake hands. Had he passed campaign literature or buttons, we would have asked him to leave and be sure he was the appropriate distance away from the door.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
23. He Had a MEGAPHONE... thanking Hillary supporters!! Which part of this do you NOT GET??
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

What he did was ILLEGAL... LYING about it adds insult to injury!!

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
33. not even close to the Sanders camp stealing their rival's campaign data
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

...crocodile tears from Sanders supporters over a non-consequential appearance by Clinton at a polling place.


Sanders supporters shrugged off that crime, I'm shrugging this off.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
42. ummm
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016

Josh Uretsky, the data director fired by the campaign, was recommended to the Sanders campaign by DNC officials and a staffer at NGP VAN...........

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. Right, try to distract from the well known character flaws of DOMA Bill and his entitled and deeply
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

hypocritical road show. It looks bad. Splitting hairs about Bill's legality. Again. He should know better. Your manufactured bullshit firewall crap was long, long settled. This is an ex President intentionally pushing the envelope on election rules, that sucks. It's cheating. That's the intention. To be a living loophole to the law.
It's privilege on full display.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
50. Why didn't they launch that investigation Clinton wanted
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

Oh, wait, Sanders wanted it. Why do you think they never followed through?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
35. Many People reported NOT BEING ABLE TO VOTE due to his illegal electioneering!
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

3rd Way or 3rd WORLD?

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
40. ANOTHER Clinton controversy
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

Why do they have to push the envelope like this?

It is shitty optics.

And they love to exploit every single loop hole and gray area.

Like I said earlier, they had better be this nasty in the general AND with the Republican congress when trying to get 99%-friendly legislation passed.

If not, well, I will see you in 2020!!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
41. Advocates for Candidates aren't allowed to do electioneering inside
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

the Voting Area. It was known as "voter intimidation."

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
44. Use of double negative sentence structure is a tell that one is lying or under stress:
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016
"Just meeting people doesn't constitute campaigning," McNiff told CNN. "We received no information that anything like that happened."


"anything like" what ? If a candidate's celebrity spouse campaigning at a polling place does not constitute campaigning then there is no such thing as campaigning.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
49. They're too smart to actually break any laws
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

But he should have stayed 150 feet away. Not that big of a deal. It isn't illegal to exist within 150 feet of a polling station, even if your wife is running for president, even if you used to be president, and even if you're holding or speaking through a megaphone - unless you're telling people whom to vote for with it. But he knows why he was there. He was obviously trying to get votes.

They play the game to win, and part of playing the game is stepping right up to the line without going over it. The issue is that Bernie supporters don't want someone who plays the same games that politicians have always played. We want something different.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
53. WTF
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

They should still contest Ma over this sham that is Bill Clinton. It WAS SOLICITING now they tell us don't believe your eyes or ears. Fuck that shit. That piece of shit was IN the polling place advertising just by being there.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
55. "It depends what the meaning of "is" is"
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

Dang, this is a frickin' pattern.

Sorrier and sorrier for voting on this idiot twice.

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