2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHOW CLINTON MEDIA MACHINE BLOCKED SANDERS CIVIL RIGHTS PLAY
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But there were a few big problems. Bernie Sanderss issues go to the heart of what ails much of Black America. The Bill-and-Hillary record on a number of critical matters, from the incarceration of black youth to the best way to aid struggling black families, youths, single mothers and the unemployed, was at best mixed.
In contrast to Sanders, she is saddled with her closeness to the financial community that has wreaked havoc with the lives of African Americans who are struggling economically. This coziness with representatives of the One Percent goes well beyond delivering well-paid speeches to Goldman Sachs.
Clinton also has been a pumped-up, eager hawk on military action a position generally unpopular with African Americans, for whom military service has often been a job opportunity of last resort, with the obvious consequences to life and limb. Many other reasons for African Americans not to identify closely with Clinton can be found. She knows this: thats why she worked so hard to publicly associate herself with President Barack Obama and his policies though in reality she and the president differed on a number of key points, including her avidity for foreign intervention.
The clincher, though, was surely the revelation that, at the same time the young Hillary Clinton was a proud Goldwater Republican in the early-mid sixties, the young Bernie Sanders was getting arrested as a supporter of civil rights.
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And so the Clinton PR apparatus, as formidable as any, went to work.
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And, as reported by the New York Times, although African Americans are turning out for Clinton in very high percentages in the primaries, high enough to damage Sanders, they are not turning out in high numbers heralding a crisis that could devastate the Democrats in November.
Expect even greater efforts by the Clinton camp to prevent Sanders from getting this story out as the campaign reaches break-point. But will the media provide the analysis voters deserve?
http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/03/03/how-clinton-media-machine-blocked-sanders-civil-rights-play/
This is a good article.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I'm sure Bernie has too. He served in Congress during the Clinton administration and the Senate when Hillary was a Senator and SOS. I think he knows better than any of us what they will throw his way. I think he has a plan. As Thom Hartmann once said on his show about Bernie, he said no one should underestimate him.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)In reference to red-baiting, he said that only makes him stronger. In reference to the DNC holding his information, Dean said the same thing.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Or impersonating union workers? Stuff like that?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)paid at the last minute when it looked like she might lose. Did anyone check if these mostly Filipino and Hispanic workers were citizens even?
Or how about her husband walking around a precinct with a bull horn preventing many from gerting in to vote.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Why?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)If people are at work being paid where their bosses and union reps can see who they are voting for and they all vote for one candidate, that is buying their vote and it's election fraud.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)They are governed by the parties - not the constitution. In most states both parties that hold caucuses forbid challenging a caucus attendee's right to vote.
Has this bothered you in other caucus states, or just NV because he lost (despite his campaign stealing data, impersonating union workers, and faking endorsements)?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Under current law, non-citizens are not allowed to vote in federal elections, and it is a federal crime for a non-citizen to vote or register to vote in such an election, punishable by imprisonment and/or the initiation of removal proceedings against that individual.[1]
This is according to US code 611
(1) the election is held partly for some other purpose;
(2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and
(3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for a candidate for such Federal offices, in such a manner that an alien has the opportunity to vote for such other purpose, but not an opportunity to vote for a candidate for any one or more of such Federal offices.
(b) Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
(c) Subsection (a) does not apply to an alien if-
(1) each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization);
(2) the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16; and
(3) the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting in violation of such subsection that he or she was a citizen of the United States.
(Added Pub. L. 104208, div. C, title II, §216(a), Sept. 30, 1996, 110 Stat. 3009572 ; amended Pub. L. 106395, title II, §201(d)(1), Oct. 30, 2000, 114 Stat. 1635 .)
Prior Provisions
A prior section 611, acts June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 724 ; Feb. 7, 1972, Pub. L. 92225, title II, §206, 86 Stat. 10 ; Oct. 15, 1974, Pub. L. 93443, title I, §§101(e)(2), 103, 88 Stat. 1267 , 1272, prohibited campaign contributions by government contractors, prior to repeal by Pub. L. 94283, title II, §201(a), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 496 . See section 30119 of Title 52, Voting and Elections.
Amendments
2000-Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 106395 added subsec. (c).
Effective Date of 2000 Amendment
Pub. L. 106395, title II, §201(d)(3), Oct. 30, 2000, 114 Stat. 1636 , provided that: "The amendment made by paragraph (1) [amending this section] shall be effective as if included in the enactment of section 216 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104208; 110 Stat. 3009572). The amendment made by paragraph (2) [amending section 1015 of this title] shall be effective as if included in the enactment of section 215 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104208; 110 Stat. 3009572). The amendments made by paragraphs (1) and (2) shall apply to an alien prosecuted on or after September 30, 1996, except in the case of an alien whose criminal proceeding (including judicial review thereof) has been finally concluded before the date of the enactment of this Act [Oct. 30, 2000]."
You can find it here: http://uscode.house.gov/
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)All that stuff does not apply. Seems to me his supporters are kind of new to this whole primary thing.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)own reality to suit your purpose. It's still illegal, nominating contest or not. It's part of the selection process for President of the United States and only US citizens can do it LEGALLY.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I've been involved in this stuff for 38 years. Caucus rules forbid challenging the attendee's right to caucus. So you can let your imagination run wild, but you are making baseless allegations.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And you don't want to because it doesn't advance your argument.
Have a nice day.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Same play book.....
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)with the swiftboating in 2004. There is a difference in the virulence - as the Bush allies attempted to make Kerry's service a negative rather than a zero. Bush allies went beyond diminishing or questioning Kerry's real heroism - they claimed he was both a coward and guilty of war crimes.
Here, it seems that the Clinton allies simply wanted to zero out Bernie's actions in the civil rights movement. They are not suggesting Bernie did anything wrong, but rather that he was not significantly committed. This in spite of Bernie joining CORE, taking a year off college, and getting arrested. Keep in mind, that Bernie was not the son of the upper class, where he was guaranteed a place in society when he chose to return to it.
Part of doing this was to argue that the problem was all in the south. The Chicago area candidate is trying to make the real racism of Chicago disappear - effectively erasing Bernie's activism and the lack of activism there by HRC. It is interesting that this appears to have worked in Boston, Massachusetts. Like Chicago, Boston had race problems in the past. They, of all people, have to know that it was not just in the south that this had to be fought. They also had a front row seat in 2008 as HRC angrily fought Obama using race whenever it could help her.
I remember in 2005 or 2006 being horrified when Wolfson, a Clinton ally spoke of how what he learned in 2004 was that swiftboating worked and the Democrats should use it.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Hillary's 'by any means necessary' campaign is drawing tactics from some unsavory sources.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Bernie is probably the best advocate minorities could ask for, but the Clinton machine somehow spins that as a negative and Hillary herself as part of the outside classes.
Maybe that's why the turnout is so low. The establishment seems to shoot for apathy as much as victory.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)is definitely part of HRC and Schultz's game plan, the highly limited number of and ridiculously scheduled debates combined with the corporate media conglomerates' blackout of Bernie for most all of last year as an attempt to protect Hillary's greatest strength; name recognition, while allowing the Republicans to rule the airwaves are a testament to this.
I feel the same way as you, Hydra.
One thing is for certain, the corporate media conglomerates have done a major job on the American People.
It will take nothing less than relentless and intrepid perseverance by the American People to overcome this.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But the thing is, Bernie's record should have been a major draw, but Team Hill successfully framed the civil rights movement as being too far away from today to have mattered.
That's kinda like saying the suffragettes did nothing of importance and should be ignored.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)of the African American Community throughout his career, whether it be his support for Jessie Jackson, protecting welfare, arguing against mass incarceration, always fighting to increase the minimum wage and against war except for a last resort, not a matter of shaping the world to our corporate benefactors' desires.
These actions and policies disproportionately affect the weakest among us and minorities in particular.
I do believe when some people get to the top, too many of them forget where they came from regardless of race.
jillan
(39,451 posts)they won. Mission accomplished. A very successful smear campaign.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Russ Baker is the author of Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, the Powerful Forces That Put it in the White House & What Their Influence Means for America
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4274612-family-of-secrets
This tactic by the Clinton campaign, and her Democratic and media proxies, is one of the more disgusting ones I have ever seen. Very sad to see how effective it has been.
Too often, power rather than justice decides the victor.
It ain't over yet, but her "firewall" has been very effectively constructed, and the propaganda catapulted far and wide.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Peace to you.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)OZi
(155 posts)Thanks for sharing.
Paka
(2,760 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)especially because it seems like you can't even bring these things up without being accused of "whitesplaining" or whatever. I don't even try.
PatrickforO
(14,571 posts)Sad, and we can be guaranteed that the corporate elites are laughing because once again we have allowed ourselves to be divided instead of being united against the people who are actually the problem - the 1%.
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)... in the primaries, high enough to damage Sanders, they are not turning out in high numbers heralding a crisis that could devastate the Democrats in November."
A very important point.
It's too bad Bernie's being blocked from the very people who really need to know more about him.
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Loudestlib
(980 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)We not only witnessed OPs denying Bernie's youthful Civil Rights activism, we watched for months as Hill supporters tried to drive a wedge between Bernie, with his lifetime advocacy for PoC, and AAs. We were treated to endless nonsense OPs about "Bernie's problem with African Americans," and saw numerous OPs falsifying his respectful relationship with BLM protesters.
Now we know why they did it: the Hill campaign knew that she couldn't win without the AA vote, and since her record with AA issues is quite checkered, and in some places dreadful ("superpredators," welfare reform), they had to ignore and/or falsify Bernie's record.
It's pretty sad when the only way you can win is through deflection and falsehood.
Thank you for an interesting OP, Uncle Joe.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Nothing like watching white folks chat amongst themselves about how and why black people vote, ring their hands about how upset and depressed they are that we're getting "ripped off," and conclude that that we're not supporting their candidate, not because we're thinking, rational people, but because we've been tricked by "propaganda."
Yet, when we speak for ourselves and try tell you what we think and what motivates us, we're shouted down, told "you don't speak for all black people," mocked, often silenced and more often just ignored by the very people who then go into other threads to discuss us and draw their own conclusions in hopes that we won't get in the way of the conversation by trying to have about us but without us.
Fascinating.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)If you have never seen it, you haven't been paying attention.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)this isn't a case of "white folks chatting amongst themselves about how and why black people vote" this discussion/thread/article is open to all races as it should be.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Thank you very much.
And the race baiting start one day after Sanders formal announcement with a Cha hit piece and the first of many Cali-Democrat count the color folks at his rally posts.
Deny it all you want. Pretend it is about some sanctimonious attack on the progressive whites here who wonder why this is so effective. But it is real. Swift-boating works. If it didn't, then it wouldn't be a strategy. And the process has been a very long time in American politics.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)What has ANY Clinton ever done for PoC?
*Mass Incarcerations disproportionately minorities
*Private Prisons, disproportionately filled with PoC
*Draconian Mandatory Sentencing Laws that affected Poc disproportionately
*Welfare Deform
*Outsourcing and (so called) Free Trade that put downward pressure on jobs, wages, and benefits, that caused those barely hanging on to drop into abject poverty,
disproportionately affecting minorities
So give me a list.
I have also asked this question numerous times on DU, and never gotten an answer.
Only insults.
How in hell do you know who in here is black, white or anything? Do you know I am part Native American decent? How would you know that unless I told you? Oh that right you bought into the meme that only white men support Sanders. Hey your know a Arab newspaper just endorsed him?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)did not block anything. Sanders never had a chance with POC, he was not there in the beginning and he definitely was not there in the end. The Clintons have been there since day one. They build the relationships with POC for over 30 years. Sanders could not compete with that. You thought Sanders was going to be able to drop out of the sky and become the Democratic nominee after being a Democrat for 8 months. It doesn't work that way. You have to put in the work.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)opposite is true. She does have a knack for pandering, though, I'll give her that.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)and enacted over the past 2+ decades. I honestly do not understand the reason for their overwhelming support.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)have been there since day one, period. There is nothing to understand. Bill Clinton created 23 million jobs that benefited all groups of people-those jobs put many POC in the middle class. We will never forget that.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)The jobs helped everyone, not just POC, and in the end - after Bill signed NAFTA - we lost more jobs than we gained. There's a reason Main Streets are ghost towns. I heard a comment today that black people like Hillary because she's advocating community policing. Okay. That's fine, but isn't that a policy that applies to everyone? I was a cop in the 1980's and we were practicing community policing then. This isn't a ground breaking policy, it's just lip service. It seems for Bernie to make inroads in the AA community, he must insert the word "black" into his policy positions. It doesn't seem to matter that what he proposes will help everyone. From now on, think of it as Medicare for all black people, free public college for all black students, a reversal of trade policies that stole black jobs, etc.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Bernie does not need to black policies.You speak of NAFTA,most people don't even know what that is-black or white. Bill Clinton policies gave everyone more disposal income. That's what you are missing.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Bill Clinton - and Hillary - worked for everyone. Bernie's proposals would be great for everyone - just like the Clinton's. So what's the difference? Is it a celebrity thing like the Trump phenomena? Bernie hasn't been front and center for decades on end so he's not as well known. Is it an age thing? Religion? There's no obvious reason why black voters should so obviously disrespect a man who put everything on the line for civil rights back in the day and is now offering plans that would benefit them more than what Hillary has proposed. I'm just puzzled by it all.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)"There's no obvious reason why black voters should so obviously disrespect a man who put everything on the line for civil rights back in the day and is now offering plans that would benefit them more than what Hillary has proposed." Black people are not disrespecting him. As far as Trump, black folks ain't voting for him. And yea u r right, he is not well known. His age-I don't think that matters. Bernie did not make himself well known sooner.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)running for President to change our corrupted and dysfunctional system.
I believe Citizens United was the straw that broke the camel's back insofar as spurring Bernie to run for President, in regards to saving our democratic republic; such as it is, time is of the essence.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,959 posts)It's the kind of beating down that keeps good people out of politics and many voters demoralized. It's not that Sanders people aren't coming out to vote - it's that they keep hearing from the media that it's a done deal - Clinton has clinched it - the superdelegates are all in her corner - so why bother . . . and we just keep getting more of the same.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Gone are the days of DNC registration tables at local colleges.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...just another way to push that despicable excuse for Sanders not attracting more black voters. In this absurd revisionism, black voters are somehow different and apart from white voters in their ability to gather information on these candidates and make a decision based on the merits of these candidates.
Goddamn disgusting.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)That's not enough?
Sid
bigtree
(85,996 posts)We were told to just give Bern some time to introduce himself back in July, but now it's (March) and it's our fault for not being impressed.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)was thinking POC were angry with President Obama or the Clintons.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)recognizing that Bernie and his message are about critical issues, policies and how mega-bucks have corrupted the system, hampering the government's ability to represent the best interests of the American People.
The system has become dysfunctional, that's what Bernie and the movement are about.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Thank You, Uncle Joe. A very interesting read.
Just looking at the timeline in the article one can't ignore the "Dirty Tricks."
And, look at what just went on in Massachusetts polling places where Bernie and Hillary were neck and neck in polls. Networks didn't even call the MA vote until around midnight that night because it was so close. I don't see MSM covering that when it was really voter intimidation, by a former President to help his wife, that caused many not to be able to vote because of the disrupton. Bill knew which polling places to target that would help Hillary. Instead of covering that and the Bernie Chicago Photo all we get from MSM is Trump and Rubio's "body part size" confrontation covered 24/7. And, Jonathan Capehart is still out there as a Media Consultant prattling his stuff.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I hope they get what they deserve.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)to bankrupt the country by making taxpayers pay to have their own kids locked up by the war on drugs especially mj
why anyone supports that i do not understand