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Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:53 AM Mar 2016

A message to Bernie’s supporters from Firebrand.

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Friends, while we are differing on pathways at the moment, I hope that many of you realize that many of Hillary’s supporters also adore Bernie-I think many of us really do.

I don’t want to see Hillary’s supporters bashing Bernie, I watch the boards a lot and truthfully most Hillary supporters do not do that. Trending Now and Greatest Threads have become fully allocated to hating Hillary-it’s a bummer to see.

It’s much harder to call out your friends rather than call out your opponents. We’re a better party than the GOP, I hope we can each try to keep our sides of the street clean, it’s a road that we all need to travel on in the general.

Best wishes my friends! Oh and I saw the picture of the woman breast feeding her child at Bernie’s rally-I loved that! Bernie also has magic!

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A message to Bernie’s supporters from Firebrand. (Original Post) Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 OP
I too am disappointed that a failed candidate with so much baggage has chosen to ignore silvershadow Mar 2016 #1
Shame on you! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #3
I'm a labor Democrat, who isn't particularly interested in hearing about coming together around silvershadow Mar 2016 #11
AMEN AMEN AMEN seekthetruth Mar 2016 #29
Third Way candidate.......emails ........... stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #42
I'm glad you are laughing at me and my family, who provided you with so much. silvershadow Mar 2016 #125
. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #128
Do you think a GOP will be better? Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #123
Triangulation. Tired of it. Won't be coerced. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #127
Huzzah! +1 Chan790 Mar 2016 #135
Why should we accept an olive branch Aha Mar 2016 #60
Because it's the olive branch of passive aggressiveness! (see post 59) n/t noamnety Mar 2016 #77
Let's be honest though. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #120
What are you talking about with "hating Hillary"? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #2
Thank you for illustrating my point. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #5
I read your post, but I fail to see how I illustrated any point, other than that the front page is JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #7
We, as Bernie supporters, don't "hate" Hillary seekthetruth Mar 2016 #31
This is the third or fourth such diary. Hillarians are out in force ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #112
You are not trying be nice pdsimdars Mar 2016 #67
Oh golly gosh durn RobertEarl Mar 2016 #4
Hi RobertEarl Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #6
nice post griffi94 Mar 2016 #8
Thanks griffi94 Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #9
. bravenak Mar 2016 #10
Oh, please. Live and Learn Mar 2016 #13
I think the op was nice.. bravenak Mar 2016 #14
It was! pandr32 Mar 2016 #129
Is this Clarence Thomas? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #70
Umm hmm bravenak Mar 2016 #75
Too little, too late to be taken seriously. Bernie supporters aren't stupid. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #12
Well, then I wish you the best. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #15
Voting to ruin our planet, imprison people, reduce their Social Security, reduce their wages, Live and Learn Mar 2016 #18
Unending reckless war, deregulated wall street, industry lobbyists in high level positions, RiverLover Mar 2016 #37
What they said. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #55
In addition to Clinton's strong support of H1-B's and outsourcing jobs Aha Mar 2016 #62
kind of like all those Repubicans pdsimdars Mar 2016 #71
I believe you. We all can wish each other the best, because the best candidate is a Democratic one. ancianita Mar 2016 #21
I hope that you have a wonderful week ancianita! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #23
You, too! I got a lotta humpin' to do against Trump chumps! ancianita Mar 2016 #24
That was what we thought when we elected Bill Clinton. Live and Learn Mar 2016 #25
AND IT'S NEITHER HILLARY OR TRUMP. SAME CATEGORY seekthetruth Mar 2016 #35
Who are you. What do you know about the Democratic Party's history/vision. ancianita Mar 2016 #106
Bullshit.... there's is a post down thread that shows what you are doing is part of a ploy. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #66
. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #41
You write such an appreciated post - then you say there are too many threads Hillary bashing? jillan Mar 2016 #16
jillan-Thanks for taking the time to comment. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #20
Seriously, where's your head? seekthetruth Mar 2016 #34
You know, pdsimdars Mar 2016 #73
OK. If you really adore Bernie, the best way you could show that, besides switching candidates, Ken Burch Mar 2016 #17
I'll add that the best thing Hillary supporters could do if she wins is have Bernie be her VP mate. ancianita Mar 2016 #22
I hate sound ageist, but 2 old people on one ticket. JRLeft Mar 2016 #46
Near half our presidents have been 55 or over, four over 65 at inauguration. ancianita Mar 2016 #50
Then why did Brock? PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #122
Because Brock panders to youth's old age stereotypes, I assume. There's room in VT for ancianita Mar 2016 #124
That combination would win with ease in November. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #52
Me, neither. But I remain intrigued by the idea. I think it would be a smart move. ancianita Mar 2016 #54
Cannot see that working marions ghost Mar 2016 #110
Oh, they're compatible. It shows clearly through the debates. They're even attracting FOX news. ancianita Mar 2016 #126
I will nevernevernever hate Hillary or any Democratic presidential candidate. Hate ain't who we are. ancianita Mar 2016 #19
I don't hate her but I CAN'T vote for a warmonger. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #26
Same here. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #27
And that is it! seekthetruth Mar 2016 #33
Exactly what the even bigger warmongers want -- for you to give them your vote or stay home. ancianita Mar 2016 #44
Henry Kissinger and Robert Kagan support Hillary. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #78
I do. Truly. But giving the vote store away over soon-to-be dead Kissinger doesn't keep the ancianita Mar 2016 #94
Gee. Kall Mar 2016 #28
Yes! seekthetruth Mar 2016 #32
Wow. Not cool. Democrats are the smartest political people in this country. They do the ancianita Mar 2016 #51
I judge them by how they act pdsimdars Mar 2016 #76
This. vintx Mar 2016 #79
How am I voting against my own interests? seekthetruth Mar 2016 #83
"Ignorant and uninformed" are relative US and world standards. People have voting priorities. ancianita Mar 2016 #98
Sorry mate, but I'm writing in "Bernie Sanders" if it comes to that seekthetruth Mar 2016 #30
Sorry mate ... that won't have the effect you desire. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #45
It COULD deliver the WH to a Repub ibegurpard Mar 2016 #61
It's my vote! And I won't just "fall in line" seekthetruth Mar 2016 #81
Do as you wish. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #104
You can write in Bernie Sanders and still accept the olive branch from OP fun n serious Mar 2016 #68
It's time to give the white house to the Repubs? Seriously? uppityperson Mar 2016 #109
Bullshit noiretextatique Mar 2016 #36
Hillary and her supporters consistenty distort Bernie's record and her own. Vattel Mar 2016 #38
Yeah, 'cause saying this 583 times a week Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #39
K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #40
K&R betsuni Mar 2016 #43
Appreciated....But something to also remember Armstead Mar 2016 #47
I find the focus of Hillary supporters on other people to be off putting. It reminds me of her focus Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #48
+100 Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #56
These backhanded compliments they do demonstrate the passive aggresive nature of that culture Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #57
Agree. I like the passive-aggressive description especially Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #58
Most Hillary supporters don't bash Bernie BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #49
The GOP doesn't have the superdelegate "concept," but it does, in fact, have 210 supers. ancianita Mar 2016 #53
*** BACKGROUND ON THIS POST *** noamnety Mar 2016 #59
Thank you. I figured the OP was disingenuous bullshit. Not going to forgive or forget the bullshit. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #65
I'm just trying to figure out now noamnety Mar 2016 #85
Thanks. That should get him banned from any reasonable forum. n/t BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #72
Thanks for this. The attempt was already transparent but that is undeniable. nt stillwaiting Mar 2016 #80
I don't think we need to think about this at ALL pdsimdars Mar 2016 #82
Yes, I am 1000% ON IT! Please rec, so everyone can see that! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #87
Passive aggressiveness is not "kindness" noamnety Mar 2016 #88
Why don't you read what I posted, reading is fundamental. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #90
You have been 1000% exposed. Please just acknowledge the mistake and apologize. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #89
You're kidding right? Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #91
Many here just don't believe you. Post #59 exposes you as part of a plot to "trick" people. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #92
*** Information about Bread and Circus *** Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #97
I mean what I say. I am not part of some thread somewhere to "kill people with kindness" Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #121
Don't sweat it. It sounds personal but isn't. It IS primary passion, you know. Only when ancianita Mar 2016 #99
Sorry but no dice. After what Clinton and her surrogates did to Bernie with Civil Rights smears.... Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #63
If Hillary were campaigning in the honest decent way Bernie is pdsimdars Mar 2016 #64
Wow - see post 59 vintx Mar 2016 #69
Wow - see post 97 Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #115
You need to ask your candidate to stop insulting Bernie supporters. stillwaiting Mar 2016 #74
Yes, they need to get their candidate to apologize to Bernie pdsimdars Mar 2016 #84
Firebrand... You might want to talk to the person who sent me this PM this morning... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #86
Oh boy, that's a keeper. Stay classy, Hillary supporters. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #93
I'd send that to the Administrators. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #96
That last line is unfortunate. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #100
someone has a sad because things didn't go his way so he went crying back to Camp Bansalot. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #95
What good do you think writing this has done? Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #101
About as much as yours. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #102
Here's a hug! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #103
"My tables!—Meet it is I set it down That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain." Hamlet. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #108
As a neutral observer without much skin behind either candidate, ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #105
Hi Laura Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #107
I'm going to go with my own lying eyes on this one. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #111
Ok, after looking into your Recs. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #114
I encourage everyone to look at my Rec list. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #133
"There are no victims here..." ibegurpard Mar 2016 #118
Nice try. Maedhros Mar 2016 #113
In closing. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #116
I sincerely doubt that was your goal. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #117
Hey Chairman Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #119
Please take my comments to you and yours to heart. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #134
Your time might be spent more wisely monicaangela Mar 2016 #130
Most Dems are fine people who care pandr32 Mar 2016 #131
Thank you for pointing out that Clinton supporters.... JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #132
I think it's telling that Clintonites are calling for unity and civility... Chan790 Mar 2016 #136
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
1. I too am disappointed that a failed candidate with so much baggage has chosen to ignore
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:57 AM
Mar 2016

the prevailing winds, resulting in the ugly truth being exposed so publicly. But this is a primary. If everyone was so concerned, perhaps we could make the primary boards private? It certainly doesn't look good on us as a party.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
11. I'm a labor Democrat, who isn't particularly interested in hearing about coming together around
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:35 AM
Mar 2016

a Third Way candidate, sorry. I will gladly welcome you into the fold if Bernie, a traditional Democrat, wins his fight to re-take the party back to its' 80-year roots with labor. That would be an olive branch.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
125. I'm glad you are laughing at me and my family, who provided you with so much.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

The Arrogance about the matter is breathtaking.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
123. Do you think a GOP will be better?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

Any Democrat will be better than Trump or Cruz. Come one...don't be silly. We need the courts.

 

Aha

(53 posts)
60. Why should we accept an olive branch
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

when the bridge has long since been burnt and there's a huge gap between us.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
120. Let's be honest though.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not saying all the Bernie fans have been perfect but some Hillary fans have been very vicious as well. Even past that, saying "No we can't" to tuition free college and Medicare for all. I wouldn't want to echo those sentiments, especially given the rest of the world have been able to fulfill those promises.
Heck, I have a LIBERTARIAN friend who supports tuition free college as she says even the RAND Institute said tuition free college was a gain. That's the RAND Foundation or Institute ffs. This is a friend who is opposed to Medicare for all even.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
2. What are you talking about with "hating Hillary"?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:00 AM
Mar 2016

Of trending now, 2/5 are anti-oligarchy, 1/5 is election news, 2/5 are simply pro-Bernie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511422881
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280136342
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511422988
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511423255
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511423386

Of the greatest threads, 1/5 is off the wall crazy (Can I fucking vote), 2/5 are anti-oligarchy, 1/5 is speaking against common campaign narratives, 1/5 is anti-Kos.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280135386
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511416324
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511417847
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280135677
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511416945

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It's not our candidate's fault that Hillary Clinton is widely recognized to be favored by the oligarchy.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
5. Thank you for illustrating my point.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:05 AM
Mar 2016

I guess it's what I get for trying to be nice. Clearly you did not read my post.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
7. I read your post, but I fail to see how I illustrated any point, other than that the front page is
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:10 AM
Mar 2016

NOT about hating Hillary. Nor was my post "hating Hillary". There is a recognized issue in this country where the economically powerful make all the important decisions, even when the popular opinion is in complete opposition; you can disagree with that assessment, or even deny that it is a major concern of the electorate. However, that does not make a discussion of which candidates fall on the right side of that issue a matter of hate.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
112. This is the third or fourth such diary. Hillarians are out in force
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

Trying a new tactic to divide, de-energize, and befuddle us.
Ignore them, that is all the attention they deserve.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
67. You are not trying be nice
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

You are just tired of hearing about all the baggage and bad positions your candidate has so you want to shut people up.
Trying to be nice . . .HA!
Clutch your pearls.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
6. Hi RobertEarl
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:08 AM
Mar 2016

Wishing you all the best! I hope that you're well and taking the high road as many people are!

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
8. nice post
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:13 AM
Mar 2016

everybody does love bernie. if bernie wins the nomination i'll vote for him
until then i'll support hillary.

primaries here are always ugly. it'll calm down
soon enough.
i suspect it'll get uglier first tho. if hillary starts to put it out of reach
or if bernie starts to seriously close the gap.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
9. Thanks griffi94
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:22 AM
Mar 2016

I've had an incredible day for personal reasons, I just wanted to write something polite to my friends supporting Bernie. However it appears that several people could care less.

Have a great evening my friend!

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
18. Voting to ruin our planet, imprison people, reduce their Social Security, reduce their wages,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:19 AM
Mar 2016

reduce safety networks and keep them from medical care isn't something I can get behind. Sincere or not!

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
37. Unending reckless war, deregulated wall street, industry lobbyists in high level positions,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 07:29 AM
Mar 2016

unregulated fracking risking water & air, high healthcare costs, BigAg risking ecosystems, Charter schools, Monopolies, Outsourcing our jobs, Corporate welfare when they don't pay any taxes whatsoever....

Just wanted to add to your list of things I will never vote for. Might as well be republican if you are ok with these things.

 

Aha

(53 posts)
62. In addition to Clinton's strong support of H1-B's and outsourcing jobs
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

This is NOT the candidate I am voting for.

As an unaffiliated voter, I am not obligated to vote for Clinton. I did vote for Bernie last Tuesday then changed my registration the following day.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
71. kind of like all those Repubicans
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:02 PM
Mar 2016

who say their "sincere" Christian beliefs want them to deny all gays equal rights and want to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies, etc.
But they are "sincere"
So that makes it OK????

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
25. That was what we thought when we elected Bill Clinton.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:58 AM
Mar 2016

Then we got Welfare Reform, NAFTA, private prisons, and H1B visas. Republican wet dreams.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
106. Who are you. What do you know about the Democratic Party's history/vision.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

Stop with the simplistic "both parties do it," therefore both front runners are "same category."

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
66. Bullshit.... there's is a post down thread that shows what you are doing is part of a ploy.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:53 PM
Mar 2016

People who believe you are being played.

See Post #59

Did you think you could hide so plainly in sight?

"On it" <<< clue

jillan

(39,451 posts)
16. You write such an appreciated post - then you say there are too many threads Hillary bashing?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:15 AM
Mar 2016

Every day there are trending threads calling Bernie supporters racist, sexist, xenophobic.
There are threads calling us Bernie Bros and no one knows what that even means - except Hillary supporters.

Constant Trending threads how Bernie should drop out now and not finish out this out.

While I appreciate your sentiment, I think you might want to look a little harder in the mirror.

Why do Bernie supporters threads get to the top of the greatest page all of the time? It's simple.
There are more of us here. Someone recently researched the numbers of members in each group.

Bernie does have magic and even if he does lose to Hillary, he hasn't lost. He woke us up, reminded us old farts of what the Democratic party used to be.... and he has woken up a lot of millennials - they treat him like a rock star.
Bernie's campaign is only step one in a much larger movement, and it saddens me that people are blind to what is happening.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
20. jillan-Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:25 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Here's my favorite line from what I wrote in the OP.

It’s much harder to call out your friends rather than call out your opponents. We’re a better party than the GOP, I hope we can each try to keep our sides of the street clean, it’s a road that we all need to travel on in the general.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
17. OK. If you really adore Bernie, the best way you could show that, besides switching candidates,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:19 AM
Mar 2016

would be to push YOUR candidate to endorse Bernie's agenda...or, at least, to maybe make half the '16 platform stuff we are fighting for.

That would do a lot to help.

Also, if you could call out the people who keep falsely accusing Bernie of not caring about racism, that would be nice.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
22. I'll add that the best thing Hillary supporters could do if she wins is have Bernie be her VP mate.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:46 AM
Mar 2016

It's too early to talk about why yet, but I'ma save the reasons for when the primary season's over, if they're not already obvious.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
46. I hate sound ageist, but 2 old people on one ticket.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

Not to mention they are political opposites.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
50. Near half our presidents have been 55 or over, four over 65 at inauguration.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:52 AM
Mar 2016

Most Americans don't see "old" as a deficit if their health is good. One of our best ones was wheelchair bound during his final term, too.

It's good because they've got little to no Lewinskys to detract from their judgment, along with the other cost/benefit judgments that come with age. Just sayin'.

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)
122. Then why did Brock?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:46 PM
Mar 2016

Try to trot out doubt about Bernie's condition for his age, even one of the moderators on the debate asking Bernie to release his doctor's report. He never asked that of Clinton.
As far as Bernie being VP, hell no! I don't want to risk Vermont getting a Corporatist stooge to replace Bernie and believe me, the vultures would swoop in asap to replace his Senate seat.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
124. Because Brock panders to youth's old age stereotypes, I assume. There's room in VT for
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

the millions of progressives to produce a replacement for Bernie.

I'd love for him to bring in the progressives and women while making room for younger candidates in his state.

As VP he'd have the olies quaking about his being "a heartbeat away," such that Hillary would never have to worry about laxity in guarding her safety. His influence in the Senate could still be exercised informally if not in formal sessions. They do get along, you know.

I can easily envision Warren moving into Reid's majority leader position, with her getting compromises hammered out with the Republican minority, trade agreements revised to protect American labor, tax revisions that help the 99%, even a liberal nominee getting voted into the SCOTUS.

You may accuse me of dreaming, but such a pairing will have far more positive international and domestic outcomes than we might be willing to imagine.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
52. That combination would win with ease in November.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

But would Bernie accept? I can't come to a conclusion on that question...

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
44. Exactly what the even bigger warmongers want -- for you to give them your vote or stay home.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:03 AM
Mar 2016

FDR's do promote our military strength, as Bernie would, along with judicious use of it.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
78. Henry Kissinger and Robert Kagan support Hillary.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:20 PM
Mar 2016

Many of us understand why they would do that.

Do you have any idea how difficult, or impossible, it will be for some in our coalition to vote for that in the G.E.?

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
94. I do. Truly. But giving the vote store away over soon-to-be dead Kissinger doesn't keep the
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

defense contractors at bay. Budgets do.

Kagan and Kissinger know the insiders from the outsiders, where their wealth potential bread is buttered. They want American dominance. We're going to have or not have it with or without them.

Our military won't mind either Bernie or Hillary. It will mind Trump.

Keep in mind that those with priorities other than militaristic foreign policy -- and the Democrats are the party in which good diplomacy lives -- help keep more austere defense hyenas less strident and demanding in the halls of Congress.

Hillary knows her mistakes of judgment. I think that with the progressive pack of women at her heels she will be more judicious than her husband was. And I'm a Bernie supporter.

Hillary knows that with warmongering goes fearmongering. We don't need to create more of a voter vacuum for fearmongers to fill. And fearmongering is not her style or first impulse.

Don't talk yourself out of the long game of politically influencing our direction beyond our lifetimes.

Kall

(615 posts)
28. Gee.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:15 AM
Mar 2016

The time for courtesy from the Clinton campaign would have been before Republican attacks on him for single-payer, saying he wanted to dismantle Medicare, saying he would take away health care from "millions and millions and millions" of people, Swiftboating his Civil Rights record, saying women who voted for Bernie had a special place in Hell... you know what, never mind. The Clintons burn bridges, bomb them, burn them again, then pretend nothing happened. I think you misunderstand who broke your "olive branch".

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
32. Yes!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 06:58 AM
Mar 2016

Honestly, I think Hillary supporters should go back to watching Dancing with the Stars or something. Us Berners actually READ.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
51. Wow. Not cool. Democrats are the smartest political people in this country. They do the
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

mental heavy lifting that Republicans depend so much upon for their veneer of intellect. Seriously.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
76. I judge them by how they act
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:19 PM
Mar 2016

And if they act ignorant and uninformed, I don't let the "D" by their name tell me otherwise.
And when you vote against your own interests, you are ignorant and uninformed.
 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
79. This.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:22 PM
Mar 2016

Democrats may be more informed than republicans, but that's a VERY low bar.

Being slightly more informed but still falling for lies and propping up the status quo as a result? Not so impressive.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
98. "Ignorant and uninformed" are relative US and world standards. People have voting priorities.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

One of them is to vote for the direction of their country and not perfect wisdom.

I judge them by outcomes. Sometimes outcomes are not at all controlled by how they act.

Obama has acted seemingly conservatively, yet the outcomes of his strategies and tactics has driven the right wing control freaks crazy.

While we have bitched about his actions, their outcome is that the country better off than if we'd shifted our votes away from him.

Sometimes I think people in the heat of primary passions here have not learned from the Obama years about incremental outcomes and setting the country's direction.

One of those lessons is to not abandon the long game, as compromising as the short term vote might feel.

I'm a Bernie supporter but I will nevernever threaten to leave voting within a pretty good party over the imperfections of this huge country's political system.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
61. It COULD deliver the WH to a Repub
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

But it would also stop Democrats from pushing Republican policy in the name of the Democratic Party.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
68. You can write in Bernie Sanders and still accept the olive branch from OP
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:59 PM
Mar 2016

OP did not ask you to vote for Hillary...

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
38. Hillary and her supporters consistenty distort Bernie's record and her own.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 07:30 AM
Mar 2016

I see ten times the dishonesty coming from them than I see coming from Bernie supporters. That's what makes gestures towards unity like yours so absurd. You can't run a dishonest campaign and then try to be friends once you win.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
39. Yeah, 'cause saying this 583 times a week
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 07:37 AM
Mar 2016

isn't quite enough. And always by another poster who truly does NOT understand what is going on here. This is WAY past party politics and if you don't see that there is nothing anyone can say to make you see it. You're a partisan and partisanship is, by definition, blind. I suggest you take your blinders off.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Appreciated....But something to also remember
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

Many of us feel a verty strong sense of urgency. Sanders has had to overcome a huge barrage of propaganda from the media and the Clinton campaign (okay I know propaganda is part of all campaigns) and we feel that certain things have to be brought to light before it is too late.

I'm not defending putting that in hateful terms, but it is fair to point out areas of policy, her connections and backers, etc.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
48. I find the focus of Hillary supporters on other people to be off putting. It reminds me of her focus
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

on opposing LGBT equality, which reminds me that she and her boosters claim to be 'of faith' and that reminds me of Jesus who said folks need to stop taking about the faults they see in others and instead seek to perfect their own behaviors. I am reminded then that Jesus never said a word against LGBT. I am reminded that Hilllary cited St Paul against LGBT. I am then reminded that St Paul said women are forbidden from holding power over men.

In the end, these sermons about how terrible Bernie supporters are do nothing but highlight the vapidity of the entire Clinton 'faith stance'.

Your cohort is mean of spirit and advocating the candidate who opposed my rights, and that mean spirit thing, that's what the anti gay folks are always like, mean, bitter, hypocritical and utterly focused on 'those people' and not on their own very real and present flaws, errors and other traits of humanity....

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
57. These backhanded compliments they do demonstrate the passive aggresive nature of that culture
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:31 PM
Mar 2016

around Clinton, it is the same sort of bullshit they used to pull on LGBT equality 'it's not hate, we love gay people which is why we want to save them for God!!!' They love Bernie, that's why they want to smear and defeat him!

It's old tired tropes and tricks.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
49. Most Hillary supporters don't bash Bernie
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

They cite polls and bash Bernie's supporters. They stay as far away from political issues and track records of the two candidates as possible because Hillary's track record is awful.

As far as the Democratic Party being "a better party than the GOP", the GOP isn't the party with an undemocratic concept called "superdelegates" that gives party establishment members, including lobbyists, the equivalent of 10,000 votes each as just one of the ways it tilts the election process toward its preferred candidate.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
53. The GOP doesn't have the superdelegate "concept," but it does, in fact, have 210 supers.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:59 AM
Mar 2016

This is a bit controversial as it is with Democrats.

Supers are bound by primary votes according to party rules, but they could still do what they did to Ron Paul, which is to simply vote against the popular trend.

At the convention the party secretary probably won't overturn party rules to let that happen, but as Trump's campaign advisers say, it's happened before.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
59. *** BACKGROUND ON THIS POST ***
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

"Guys we have to go into battle mode. ... Use a technique from Downton Abbey times. When some gets nasty with you get nicer. If they get nastier, get even nicer. If they get meaner in response..take some time to think of something even nicer that maybe will give meaning to their lives like say something positive about Bernie. They end up looking and feeling like a Tasmanian devil mixed up in their own bile. Which is where they belong. "

"On it." - Firebrand Gary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110745661

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
82. I don't think we need to think about this at ALL
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:26 PM
Mar 2016

They will get nastier and nastier as they have, without us doing anything. Just keep pointing to Hillary's record and you'll bring out all the nasty from them that anyone needs to see.
Those kind of spirits hate the light of truth.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
87. Yes, I am 1000% ON IT! Please rec, so everyone can see that!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:49 PM
Mar 2016

It's not hard for me to support a post that you recommended everyone look into above, you wanna know why? Because long before that post was written, I was complementary to Bernie because I actually like the guy.

However his supporters, at least here on DU are doing a fine job of driving away anyone who's not in his camp. Guess what, you can't win without Hillary's supporters either. I can dive into policy differences that I have with people like yourselves, however we both know that would be a circular discussion. Instead I'm taking a road of kindness, what a great forum we'd have if you had done the same.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
88. Passive aggressiveness is not "kindness"
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:55 PM
Mar 2016

When you openly admit to posting something "nice" for the purpose of trolling, it exposes something else entirely.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
90. Why don't you read what I posted, reading is fundamental.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

Because long before that post was written, I was complementary to Bernie because I actually like the guy.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
91. You're kidding right?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

What part of "Because long before that post was written, I was complementary to Bernie because I actually like the guy. " can you not understand???

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
92. Many here just don't believe you. Post #59 exposes you as part of a plot to "trick" people.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

A minor, inconsequential plot to be sure.

Again, just apologize.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
97. *** Information about Bread and Circus ***
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:26 PM
Mar 2016

This thread listed below is not genuine, the OP should write and apology immediately.

Bread and Circus http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511356877

See for reference many of Bread and Circus other post, for example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511272394

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
121. I mean what I say. I am not part of some thread somewhere to "kill people with kindness"
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

in some kind of trick strategy, coordinated in a forum that other people are locked out of.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
99. Don't sweat it. It sounds personal but isn't. It IS primary passion, you know. Only when
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

they refuse to vote for Hillary will that get my back up.

That particular claim is not long game smart. It's Sesame Street Smart.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
63. Sorry but no dice. After what Clinton and her surrogates did to Bernie with Civil Rights smears....
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

there is no forgiveness.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
64. If Hillary were campaigning in the honest decent way Bernie is
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

I too would feel more kindly towards her as you feel for Bernie. But every week her campaign launches another smear in the form of an outright lie or complete distortion of Bernie's record. And they even swift boated his Civil Rights record.
If she had just campaigned on the issues as Bernie has, I don't think you'd see any of the pushback.
Hey, she even had her own daughter go out in public and outright LIE about Bernie's health care plan saying he wanted to cut all those current plans that serve as a social safety net. OUTRIGHT LIE. But they kept right on saying it.
Now if you expect anyone to let that BS go without pushing back, you live in a fantasy world. The uglier Hillary makes these lies the more push back she will get.
If you really want this to stop, you will get the Clinton campaign to stop with the dirty tricks and lies. Try that. Instead of coming out here and trying to silence your critics, try to get the Clinton campaign to be honest for a change.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
74. You need to ask your candidate to stop insulting Bernie supporters.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016

And, to have her husband, her daughter, and her surrogates stop insulting Bernie supporters. She has made this an integral part of her campaign from the beginning, and it is deeply personal and hugely offensive.

HRC supporters should probably get her to apologize sincerely to Bernie supporters as well. She has created this situation. She is responsible for it, and we may pay a huge price for it.

When she did this in '08 she lost a lot of support to Barack and thankfully she was not the nominee. It is possible we may not be as lucky this time, and that is a damn shame.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
84. Yes, they need to get their candidate to apologize to Bernie
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:30 PM
Mar 2016

for their smears on his Civil Rights record. She should come out and list the things Bernie has done in this area and the issues he has stood for and votes he has taken.
Then she should list all those HORRIBLE issues she supported.
Get that record straight that she distorted so shamelessly.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
86. Firebrand... You might want to talk to the person who sent me this PM this morning...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

.... which baffles me, because I've never sparred with the poster...



well aren't we condescending about others. i personally think bernie to be a phony. He is an utter fraud and let me explain that. He has lived an entire congressional life without any power and where his votes had no consequences. He represented a state that is pretty isolated and insulated.

He had basically one vote his entire life that mattered and that was the gun vote. Where was his liberal values on that vote?. The only vote that mattered and he choked. He capitulated like any other politician. How was that for a profile in courage.

I have been pretty successful in life through my own hard work. I started out pretty poor and grew up in a laundry. I shared a twin bed with my brother until I was 9 and he was 10.

My dad who was Chinese couldn't even swim in the public pools in St. Louis. When we went to go get a mortgage with 45% down we could only get one from the bank of Harlem

I can guarantee I suffered way more discrimination than Bernie ever did. Growing up Jewish in NYC is no handicap. As a matter of fact it is probably an advantage. I grew up in a Jewish clique in NYC.

I find his incessant whining annoying.

Currently , i sell to some of the most powerful attorneys in the country. i was just with the attorney representing Bob McDonnell( VA gov.) last week. Am I as smart as these people. No they are smarter than me but I can certainly be in their company and garner respect from them.

So when it comes to intelligence I certainly hang in there.

Your comments are exactly why I detest you Bernie people. Most of you are full of shit.


... except that you can't because they are on a time out (after seeing the transparency, I think they should have anger management, frankly.

Anyway... I know in the end we are Democrats, so it's herding cats!

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
100. That last line is unfortunate.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

Whoever this person is, seems to have a life story that should garner some respect. But that last line does nothing to help our party! We all are passionate about this, it's the beauty of our system. We could all do a better job of being compassionate to one another, I will try to be even better.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
103. Here's a hug!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

We're going to get through this together. If Sanders is the nominee I will support him enthusiastically! We are keeping the executive branch, that is for sure!

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
105. As a neutral observer without much skin behind either candidate,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

last week I began putting the nastiest of both sides "supporters" on ignore (for they are not truly supporters if they can devolve to that).

"I don’t want to see Hillary’s supporters bashing Bernie, I watch the boards a lot and truthfully most Hillary supporters do not do that. Trending Now and Greatest Threads have become fully allocated to hating Hillary-it’s a bummer to see."


Now, you would have to admit you are a bit blinded by bias, but I have an equal number of nasty "supporters" on ignore from both sides. I would behoove you to look deeply within yourself instead of posting goofiness here to see what you CAN do to not be that which you claim to hate. There are no victims here. Only people on my ignore list.

In peace,

Laura

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
107. Hi Laura
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

Because I've chosen to support Hillary in this cycle I am a bit biased, but any person looking at the cover page can see that its largely dedicated to muddying Hillary. It's a constant barrage, the tables have never been turned on Sanders because they control the juries.

But I've also challenged my own thinking several times. I have and I do look within. Thank you for your post!


ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
111. I'm going to go with my own lying eyes on this one.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016


You both have mud on your welcome mats... in equal proportion. I also ask you take this message from a calm Democrat who intends to vote for the nominee in November. Both groups could learn a few lessons. It is equally despicable, and I've voted to hide posts by the most vocal of the acid slingers. Again, there are no innocents (or, as you would put, "less gulty&quot . Perhaps you could encourage your side to breathe and walk away just as Bernie's side could do the same. I'd post this in both of the groups, but people get banned for the dumbest of comments in both groups.

In short, drop the acts and get real.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
114. Ok, after looking into your Recs.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

Your for Sanders, not centrist as you suggested.

This is what I wrote in the OP: It’s much harder to call out your friends rather than call out your opponents. We’re a better party than the GOP, I hope we can each try to keep our sides of the street clean, it’s a road that we all need to travel on in the general.

Best wishes my friends! Oh and I saw the picture of the woman breast feeding her child at Bernie’s rally-I loved that! Bernie also has magic!

Best to you, I thought we were having a decent conversation until you dropped that last line. Best wishes to you!

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
133. I encourage everyone to look at my Rec list.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sorry, Firebrand Gary, but both of my replies to you are honest and they stand.
I encourage you, your friends and Bernie's supporters to stop with the vile behavior. None of you are helping your chosen candidate.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
116. In closing.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

I wrote this OP in hopes of trying to make someones day better, brighter and kinder. I have no control on whatever you think my motives are, but I can stay true to myself.

I will try to be even better, to find common ground. To be a better member of DU-which I love. I wish you all a great week ahead.

- Firebrand

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
117. I sincerely doubt that was your goal.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

It is too similar to other posts from hillarians, in timing, etc. perhaps you don't have some underhanded intent, but others on your side sure do.
Which team is the fastest to kick out anyone who even raises a question on their part of the site?
Which group has several folks seeking out folks to flag and attack?
Which group repeats vile lies, even after they are completely proven false?
Which group res nuts even a hint of criticism, be it constructive or not?

We here hear that Bernie has a problem it's POC. We discuss, investigate, and try to fix that. That is a criticism that fair or not, leads to a reasonable disucssion. Try pointing out one example where team Hillary does the same, rather than their SOP of attacking the messenger, flagging comments, or piling on some unsuspecting poster?

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
119. Hey Chairman
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:33 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sorry that it's gotten so toxic between some of the members between the camps. It's unfortunate and I really don't want any part of it. There have been times when my frustration has got the better of me, but it's a daily practice of not allowing that to happen.

In the end we can question each others intention, each other motives, but that won't assist us in keep the republicans out of the white house. My intention for my OP really was with the best of intentions, but no matter how many times I repeat that, people still will believe what they want.

To the person who's not fallen into the trap of pessimism, thanks for reading. I will try to be a better member of DU in all the things that I do in the future.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
130. Your time might be spent more wisely
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

disproving the comment of those you say are bashing Hillary. How do you bash someone with the truth? Just disprove the accusations and you will win interest in your cause, otherwise you're just blowing smoke.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
132. Thank you for pointing out that Clinton supporters....
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

...don't hate Sanders. I don't see posts that call Bernie a vile excuse for a human being or describe him as unfit for any office. I wish it wasn't so the other way around.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
136. I think it's telling that Clintonites are calling for unity and civility...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

now that it's the corporate wing of the Democratic party that is getting marginalized by progressives.

Hell No! DLCers like the Clintons spent years kicking the left wing of the party in the flanks...now that the tables are turned, not letting up until they're down for the count and Clintonism is dead. No room in the tent for pro-business, anti-worker, anti-union fake Democrats.

No quarter! No peace! Forever!

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