2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA message to Bernie’s supporters from Firebrand.
Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)
Friends, while we are differing on pathways at the moment, I hope that many of you realize that many of Hillarys supporters also adore Bernie-I think many of us really do.
I dont want to see Hillarys supporters bashing Bernie, I watch the boards a lot and truthfully most Hillary supporters do not do that. Trending Now and Greatest Threads have become fully allocated to hating Hillary-its a bummer to see.
Its much harder to call out your friends rather than call out your opponents. Were a better party than the GOP, I hope we can each try to keep our sides of the street clean, its a road that we all need to travel on in the general.
Best wishes my friends! Oh and I saw the picture of the woman breast feeding her child at Bernies rally-I loved that! Bernie also has magic!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)the prevailing winds, resulting in the ugly truth being exposed so publicly. But this is a primary. If everyone was so concerned, perhaps we could make the primary boards private? It certainly doesn't look good on us as a party.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Here I take the time to write out an olive branch and you just break it in half.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)a Third Way candidate, sorry. I will gladly welcome you into the fold if Bernie, a traditional Democrat, wins his fight to re-take the party back to its' 80-year roots with labor. That would be an olive branch.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)The Arrogance about the matter is breathtaking.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Any Democrat will be better than Trump or Cruz. Come one...don't be silly. We need the courts.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Aha
(53 posts)when the bridge has long since been burnt and there's a huge gap between us.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I'm not saying all the Bernie fans have been perfect but some Hillary fans have been very vicious as well. Even past that, saying "No we can't" to tuition free college and Medicare for all. I wouldn't want to echo those sentiments, especially given the rest of the world have been able to fulfill those promises.
Heck, I have a LIBERTARIAN friend who supports tuition free college as she says even the RAND Institute said tuition free college was a gain. That's the RAND Foundation or Institute ffs. This is a friend who is opposed to Medicare for all even.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Of trending now, 2/5 are anti-oligarchy, 1/5 is election news, 2/5 are simply pro-Bernie:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511422881
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280136342
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511422988
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511423255
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511423386
Of the greatest threads, 1/5 is off the wall crazy (Can I fucking vote), 2/5 are anti-oligarchy, 1/5 is speaking against common campaign narratives, 1/5 is anti-Kos.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280135386
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511416324
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511417847
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280135677
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511416945
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It's not our candidate's fault that Hillary Clinton is widely recognized to be favored by the oligarchy.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I guess it's what I get for trying to be nice. Clearly you did not read my post.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)NOT about hating Hillary. Nor was my post "hating Hillary". There is a recognized issue in this country where the economically powerful make all the important decisions, even when the popular opinion is in complete opposition; you can disagree with that assessment, or even deny that it is a major concern of the electorate. However, that does not make a discussion of which candidates fall on the right side of that issue a matter of hate.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)We hate what she represents. The corporation.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Trying a new tactic to divide, de-energize, and befuddle us.
Ignore them, that is all the attention they deserve.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You are just tired of hearing about all the baggage and bad positions your candidate has so you want to shut people up.
Trying to be nice . . .HA!
Clutch your pearls.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)What was it we said?
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Wishing you all the best! I hope that you're well and taking the high road as many people are!
griffi94
(3,733 posts)everybody does love bernie. if bernie wins the nomination i'll vote for him
until then i'll support hillary.
primaries here are always ugly. it'll calm down
soon enough.
i suspect it'll get uglier first tho. if hillary starts to put it out of reach
or if bernie starts to seriously close the gap.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I've had an incredible day for personal reasons, I just wanted to write something polite to my friends supporting Bernie. However it appears that several people could care less.
Have a great evening my friend!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)pandr32
(11,583 posts)It seems many around here would rather we were silent.
Best to you
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I ask because you never say anything, just those in your face pictures.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)And wether you believe it or not, I was being sincere.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)reduce safety networks and keep them from medical care isn't something I can get behind. Sincere or not!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)unregulated fracking risking water & air, high healthcare costs, BigAg risking ecosystems, Charter schools, Monopolies, Outsourcing our jobs, Corporate welfare when they don't pay any taxes whatsoever....
Just wanted to add to your list of things I will never vote for. Might as well be republican if you are ok with these things.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Aha
(53 posts)This is NOT the candidate I am voting for.
As an unaffiliated voter, I am not obligated to vote for Clinton. I did vote for Bernie last Tuesday then changed my registration the following day.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)who say their "sincere" Christian beliefs want them to deny all gays equal rights and want to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies, etc.
But they are "sincere"
So that makes it OK????
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Then we got Welfare Reform, NAFTA, private prisons, and H1B visas. Republican wet dreams.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Stop with the simplistic "both parties do it," therefore both front runners are "same category."
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)People who believe you are being played.
See Post #59
Did you think you could hide so plainly in sight?
"On it" <<< clue
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Every day there are trending threads calling Bernie supporters racist, sexist, xenophobic.
There are threads calling us Bernie Bros and no one knows what that even means - except Hillary supporters.
Constant Trending threads how Bernie should drop out now and not finish out this out.
While I appreciate your sentiment, I think you might want to look a little harder in the mirror.
Why do Bernie supporters threads get to the top of the greatest page all of the time? It's simple.
There are more of us here. Someone recently researched the numbers of members in each group.
Bernie does have magic and even if he does lose to Hillary, he hasn't lost. He woke us up, reminded us old farts of what the Democratic party used to be.... and he has woken up a lot of millennials - they treat him like a rock star.
Bernie's campaign is only step one in a much larger movement, and it saddens me that people are blind to what is happening.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Here's my favorite line from what I wrote in the OP.
Its much harder to call out your friends rather than call out your opponents. Were a better party than the GOP, I hope we can each try to keep our sides of the street clean, its a road that we all need to travel on in the general.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)right up where that sun ain't shining
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)would be to push YOUR candidate to endorse Bernie's agenda...or, at least, to maybe make half the '16 platform stuff we are fighting for.
That would do a lot to help.
Also, if you could call out the people who keep falsely accusing Bernie of not caring about racism, that would be nice.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)It's too early to talk about why yet, but I'ma save the reasons for when the primary season's over, if they're not already obvious.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Not to mention they are political opposites.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Most Americans don't see "old" as a deficit if their health is good. One of our best ones was wheelchair bound during his final term, too.
It's good because they've got little to no Lewinskys to detract from their judgment, along with the other cost/benefit judgments that come with age. Just sayin'.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)Try to trot out doubt about Bernie's condition for his age, even one of the moderators on the debate asking Bernie to release his doctor's report. He never asked that of Clinton.
As far as Bernie being VP, hell no! I don't want to risk Vermont getting a Corporatist stooge to replace Bernie and believe me, the vultures would swoop in asap to replace his Senate seat.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)the millions of progressives to produce a replacement for Bernie.
I'd love for him to bring in the progressives and women while making room for younger candidates in his state.
As VP he'd have the olies quaking about his being "a heartbeat away," such that Hillary would never have to worry about laxity in guarding her safety. His influence in the Senate could still be exercised informally if not in formal sessions. They do get along, you know.
I can easily envision Warren moving into Reid's majority leader position, with her getting compromises hammered out with the Republican minority, trade agreements revised to protect American labor, tax revisions that help the 99%, even a liberal nominee getting voted into the SCOTUS.
You may accuse me of dreaming, but such a pairing will have far more positive international and domestic outcomes than we might be willing to imagine.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But would Bernie accept? I can't come to a conclusion on that question...
ancianita
(36,055 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--they are not very compatible, to say the least.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)Just one reason why progressives find her distasteful.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)FDR's do promote our military strength, as Bernie would, along with judicious use of it.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Many of us understand why they would do that.
Do you have any idea how difficult, or impossible, it will be for some in our coalition to vote for that in the G.E.?
ancianita
(36,055 posts)defense contractors at bay. Budgets do.
Kagan and Kissinger know the insiders from the outsiders, where their wealth potential bread is buttered. They want American dominance. We're going to have or not have it with or without them.
Our military won't mind either Bernie or Hillary. It will mind Trump.
Keep in mind that those with priorities other than militaristic foreign policy -- and the Democrats are the party in which good diplomacy lives -- help keep more austere defense hyenas less strident and demanding in the halls of Congress.
Hillary knows her mistakes of judgment. I think that with the progressive pack of women at her heels she will be more judicious than her husband was. And I'm a Bernie supporter.
Hillary knows that with warmongering goes fearmongering. We don't need to create more of a voter vacuum for fearmongers to fill. And fearmongering is not her style or first impulse.
Don't talk yourself out of the long game of politically influencing our direction beyond our lifetimes.
Kall
(615 posts)The time for courtesy from the Clinton campaign would have been before Republican attacks on him for single-payer, saying he wanted to dismantle Medicare, saying he would take away health care from "millions and millions and millions" of people, Swiftboating his Civil Rights record, saying women who voted for Bernie had a special place in Hell... you know what, never mind. The Clintons burn bridges, bomb them, burn them again, then pretend nothing happened. I think you misunderstand who broke your "olive branch".
Honestly, I think Hillary supporters should go back to watching Dancing with the Stars or something. Us Berners actually READ.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)mental heavy lifting that Republicans depend so much upon for their veneer of intellect. Seriously.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And if they act ignorant and uninformed, I don't let the "D" by their name tell me otherwise.
And when you vote against your own interests, you are ignorant and uninformed.
Democrats may be more informed than republicans, but that's a VERY low bar.
Being slightly more informed but still falling for lies and propping up the status quo as a result? Not so impressive.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)....if I refuse to vote for a representative of the 1%?
ancianita
(36,055 posts)One of them is to vote for the direction of their country and not perfect wisdom.
I judge them by outcomes. Sometimes outcomes are not at all controlled by how they act.
Obama has acted seemingly conservatively, yet the outcomes of his strategies and tactics has driven the right wing control freaks crazy.
While we have bitched about his actions, their outcome is that the country better off than if we'd shifted our votes away from him.
Sometimes I think people in the heat of primary passions here have not learned from the Obama years about incremental outcomes and setting the country's direction.
One of those lessons is to not abandon the long game, as compromising as the short term vote might feel.
I'm a Bernie supporter but I will nevernever threaten to leave voting within a pretty good party over the imperfections of this huge country's political system.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)It's truly time for change.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)But it would also stop Democrats from pushing Republican policy in the name of the Democratic Party.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)OP did not ask you to vote for Hillary...
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Check out the HRC.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I see ten times the dishonesty coming from them than I see coming from Bernie supporters. That's what makes gestures towards unity like yours so absurd. You can't run a dishonest campaign and then try to be friends once you win.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)isn't quite enough. And always by another poster who truly does NOT understand what is going on here. This is WAY past party politics and if you don't see that there is nothing anyone can say to make you see it. You're a partisan and partisanship is, by definition, blind. I suggest you take your blinders off.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)betsuni
(25,519 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Many of us feel a verty strong sense of urgency. Sanders has had to overcome a huge barrage of propaganda from the media and the Clinton campaign (okay I know propaganda is part of all campaigns) and we feel that certain things have to be brought to light before it is too late.
I'm not defending putting that in hateful terms, but it is fair to point out areas of policy, her connections and backers, etc.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)on opposing LGBT equality, which reminds me that she and her boosters claim to be 'of faith' and that reminds me of Jesus who said folks need to stop taking about the faults they see in others and instead seek to perfect their own behaviors. I am reminded then that Jesus never said a word against LGBT. I am reminded that Hilllary cited St Paul against LGBT. I am then reminded that St Paul said women are forbidden from holding power over men.
In the end, these sermons about how terrible Bernie supporters are do nothing but highlight the vapidity of the entire Clinton 'faith stance'.
Your cohort is mean of spirit and advocating the candidate who opposed my rights, and that mean spirit thing, that's what the anti gay folks are always like, mean, bitter, hypocritical and utterly focused on 'those people' and not on their own very real and present flaws, errors and other traits of humanity....
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)around Clinton, it is the same sort of bullshit they used to pull on LGBT equality 'it's not hate, we love gay people which is why we want to save them for God!!!' They love Bernie, that's why they want to smear and defeat him!
It's old tired tropes and tricks.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)They cite polls and bash Bernie's supporters. They stay as far away from political issues and track records of the two candidates as possible because Hillary's track record is awful.
As far as the Democratic Party being "a better party than the GOP", the GOP isn't the party with an undemocratic concept called "superdelegates" that gives party establishment members, including lobbyists, the equivalent of 10,000 votes each as just one of the ways it tilts the election process toward its preferred candidate.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)This is a bit controversial as it is with Democrats.
Supers are bound by primary votes according to party rules, but they could still do what they did to Ron Paul, which is to simply vote against the popular trend.
At the convention the party secretary probably won't overturn party rules to let that happen, but as Trump's campaign advisers say, it's happened before.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)"Guys we have to go into battle mode. ... Use a technique from Downton Abbey times. When some gets nasty with you get nicer. If they get nastier, get even nicer. If they get meaner in response..take some time to think of something even nicer that maybe will give meaning to their lives like say something positive about Bernie. They end up looking and feeling like a Tasmanian devil mixed up in their own bile. Which is where they belong. "
"On it." - Firebrand Gary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110745661
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)if I want to recommend the thread for more exposure or not.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They will get nastier and nastier as they have, without us doing anything. Just keep pointing to Hillary's record and you'll bring out all the nasty from them that anyone needs to see.
Those kind of spirits hate the light of truth.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)It's not hard for me to support a post that you recommended everyone look into above, you wanna know why? Because long before that post was written, I was complementary to Bernie because I actually like the guy.
However his supporters, at least here on DU are doing a fine job of driving away anyone who's not in his camp. Guess what, you can't win without Hillary's supporters either. I can dive into policy differences that I have with people like yourselves, however we both know that would be a circular discussion. Instead I'm taking a road of kindness, what a great forum we'd have if you had done the same.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)When you openly admit to posting something "nice" for the purpose of trolling, it exposes something else entirely.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Because long before that post was written, I was complementary to Bernie because I actually like the guy.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)What part of "Because long before that post was written, I was complementary to Bernie because I actually like the guy. " can you not understand???
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)A minor, inconsequential plot to be sure.
Again, just apologize.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)This thread listed below is not genuine, the OP should write and apology immediately.
Bread and Circus http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511356877
See for reference many of Bread and Circus other post, for example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511272394
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)in some kind of trick strategy, coordinated in a forum that other people are locked out of.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)they refuse to vote for Hillary will that get my back up.
That particular claim is not long game smart. It's Sesame Street Smart.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)there is no forgiveness.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I too would feel more kindly towards her as you feel for Bernie. But every week her campaign launches another smear in the form of an outright lie or complete distortion of Bernie's record. And they even swift boated his Civil Rights record.
If she had just campaigned on the issues as Bernie has, I don't think you'd see any of the pushback.
Hey, she even had her own daughter go out in public and outright LIE about Bernie's health care plan saying he wanted to cut all those current plans that serve as a social safety net. OUTRIGHT LIE. But they kept right on saying it.
Now if you expect anyone to let that BS go without pushing back, you live in a fantasy world. The uglier Hillary makes these lies the more push back she will get.
If you really want this to stop, you will get the Clinton campaign to stop with the dirty tricks and lies. Try that. Instead of coming out here and trying to silence your critics, try to get the Clinton campaign to be honest for a change.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Just like your candidate. Lies lies lies
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)It doesn't feel good when people question authenticity does it?
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)And, to have her husband, her daughter, and her surrogates stop insulting Bernie supporters. She has made this an integral part of her campaign from the beginning, and it is deeply personal and hugely offensive.
HRC supporters should probably get her to apologize sincerely to Bernie supporters as well. She has created this situation. She is responsible for it, and we may pay a huge price for it.
When she did this in '08 she lost a lot of support to Barack and thankfully she was not the nominee. It is possible we may not be as lucky this time, and that is a damn shame.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)for their smears on his Civil Rights record. She should come out and list the things Bernie has done in this area and the issues he has stood for and votes he has taken.
Then she should list all those HORRIBLE issues she supported.
Get that record straight that she distorted so shamelessly.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts).... which baffles me, because I've never sparred with the poster...
well aren't we condescending about others. i personally think bernie to be a phony. He is an utter fraud and let me explain that. He has lived an entire congressional life without any power and where his votes had no consequences. He represented a state that is pretty isolated and insulated.
He had basically one vote his entire life that mattered and that was the gun vote. Where was his liberal values on that vote?. The only vote that mattered and he choked. He capitulated like any other politician. How was that for a profile in courage.
I have been pretty successful in life through my own hard work. I started out pretty poor and grew up in a laundry. I shared a twin bed with my brother until I was 9 and he was 10.
My dad who was Chinese couldn't even swim in the public pools in St. Louis. When we went to go get a mortgage with 45% down we could only get one from the bank of Harlem
I can guarantee I suffered way more discrimination than Bernie ever did. Growing up Jewish in NYC is no handicap. As a matter of fact it is probably an advantage. I grew up in a Jewish clique in NYC.
I find his incessant whining annoying.
Currently , i sell to some of the most powerful attorneys in the country. i was just with the attorney representing Bob McDonnell( VA gov.) last week. Am I as smart as these people. No they are smarter than me but I can certainly be in their company and garner respect from them.
So when it comes to intelligence I certainly hang in there.
Your comments are exactly why I detest you Bernie people. Most of you are full of shit.
... except that you can't because they are on a time out (after seeing the transparency, I think they should have anger management, frankly.
Anyway... I know in the end we are Democrats, so it's herding cats!
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Whoever this person is, seems to have a life story that should garner some respect. But that last line does nothing to help our party! We all are passionate about this, it's the beauty of our system. We could all do a better job of being compassionate to one another, I will try to be even better.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Too sad.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And I laugh.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)We're going to get through this together. If Sanders is the nominee I will support him enthusiastically! We are keeping the executive branch, that is for sure!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)last week I began putting the nastiest of both sides "supporters" on ignore (for they are not truly supporters if they can devolve to that).
"I dont want to see Hillarys supporters bashing Bernie, I watch the boards a lot and truthfully most Hillary supporters do not do that. Trending Now and Greatest Threads have become fully allocated to hating Hillary-its a bummer to see."
Now, you would have to admit you are a bit blinded by bias, but I have an equal number of nasty "supporters" on ignore from both sides. I would behoove you to look deeply within yourself instead of posting goofiness here to see what you CAN do to not be that which you claim to hate. There are no victims here. Only people on my ignore list.
In peace,
Laura
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Because I've chosen to support Hillary in this cycle I am a bit biased, but any person looking at the cover page can see that its largely dedicated to muddying Hillary. It's a constant barrage, the tables have never been turned on Sanders because they control the juries.
But I've also challenged my own thinking several times. I have and I do look within. Thank you for your post!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)You both have mud on your welcome mats... in equal proportion. I also ask you take this message from a calm Democrat who intends to vote for the nominee in November. Both groups could learn a few lessons. It is equally despicable, and I've voted to hide posts by the most vocal of the acid slingers. Again, there are no innocents (or, as you would put, "less gulty" . Perhaps you could encourage your side to breathe and walk away just as Bernie's side could do the same. I'd post this in both of the groups, but people get banned for the dumbest of comments in both groups.
In short, drop the acts and get real.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Your for Sanders, not centrist as you suggested.
This is what I wrote in the OP: Its much harder to call out your friends rather than call out your opponents. Were a better party than the GOP, I hope we can each try to keep our sides of the street clean, its a road that we all need to travel on in the general.
Best wishes my friends! Oh and I saw the picture of the woman breast feeding her child at Bernies rally-I loved that! Bernie also has magic!
Best to you, I thought we were having a decent conversation until you dropped that last line. Best wishes to you!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I'm sorry, Firebrand Gary, but both of my replies to you are honest and they stand.
I encourage you, your friends and Bernie's supporters to stop with the vile behavior. None of you are helping your chosen candidate.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)"...only people on my ignore list."
Ain't that the truth.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)See post #59.
/ignore.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I wrote this OP in hopes of trying to make someones day better, brighter and kinder. I have no control on whatever you think my motives are, but I can stay true to myself.
I will try to be even better, to find common ground. To be a better member of DU-which I love. I wish you all a great week ahead.
- Firebrand
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)It is too similar to other posts from hillarians, in timing, etc. perhaps you don't have some underhanded intent, but others on your side sure do.
Which team is the fastest to kick out anyone who even raises a question on their part of the site?
Which group has several folks seeking out folks to flag and attack?
Which group repeats vile lies, even after they are completely proven false?
Which group res nuts even a hint of criticism, be it constructive or not?
We here hear that Bernie has a problem it's POC. We discuss, investigate, and try to fix that. That is a criticism that fair or not, leads to a reasonable disucssion. Try pointing out one example where team Hillary does the same, rather than their SOP of attacking the messenger, flagging comments, or piling on some unsuspecting poster?
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I'm sorry that it's gotten so toxic between some of the members between the camps. It's unfortunate and I really don't want any part of it. There have been times when my frustration has got the better of me, but it's a daily practice of not allowing that to happen.
In the end we can question each others intention, each other motives, but that won't assist us in keep the republicans out of the white house. My intention for my OP really was with the best of intentions, but no matter how many times I repeat that, people still will believe what they want.
To the person who's not fallen into the trap of pessimism, thanks for reading. I will try to be a better member of DU in all the things that I do in the future.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Thank you.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)disproving the comment of those you say are bashing Hillary. How do you bash someone with the truth? Just disprove the accusations and you will win interest in your cause, otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
pandr32
(11,583 posts)Don't let the negativity wear you down.
My hat is off to you
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)...don't hate Sanders. I don't see posts that call Bernie a vile excuse for a human being or describe him as unfit for any office. I wish it wasn't so the other way around.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)now that it's the corporate wing of the Democratic party that is getting marginalized by progressives.
Hell No! DLCers like the Clintons spent years kicking the left wing of the party in the flanks...now that the tables are turned, not letting up until they're down for the count and Clintonism is dead. No room in the tent for pro-business, anti-worker, anti-union fake Democrats.
No quarter! No peace! Forever!