2016 Postmortem
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...very few net delegates to show for it. It's about the math, stupid.
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2016/03/march-56-post-mortem-cruz-and-bernie.html
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska ... impossible for Bernie to win. we were told..
From day one we've heard the "You can't gave Bernie, he can't win anything and has no money" well them days are over, right? So why are you wasting your time here?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)They have relatively few delegates and little diversity. The likes of Wyoming, Idaho, Delaware and Alaska aren't going to get Sanders anywhere close to 2383 delegates.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Everything I've read says 2383 delegates are needed to win the nomination.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)50% + 1 vote for the winner of the majority of regular delegates, which requires 2026, which would give over 2383.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The whole left coast. Etc. Already he has surprised the heck out of the smart pundits, and he ain't done yet.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)California and New York? Doubtful.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Where have you been? It was said Bernie could maybe win Vermont and NH. That he couldn't compete with the big money.
And yet you sit there and preach more of the same falsities? Frankly Garret, you don't know what you are talking about.
Is it any wonder some of us are really getting tired of yall doubters wasting time?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)VT was a given and Sanders had been favored in neighboring NH for quite some time. And the other states he's won are also small states lacking in diversity. Until that changes, Sanders won't be on track to come anywhere close to 2383 delegates. Now, a win in Michigan would be big. Wins in Florida, Missouri, Illinois, North Carolina and Ohio (or even just 3 of those 5) on the 15th would be even bigger.
But Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Indiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, South Dakota and New England states? That's not going to cut it.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Well, golly darn, Garret has spoken again. The great Garret has spoken so all of us should just quit bothering Garret with our hope for real change.
Go tell Bernie. Quick, he needs to know the great Garret has spoken and he should just give up!!
Can you tell I'm making fun of you?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Your silly sarcasm demonstrates you don't actually have a valid response. I haven't said Sanders should quit, nor am I a Clinton supporter. I'm just pointing out some mathematical and demographic realities.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And all you deserve is sarcasm. You are merely pointing out your opinion, not realities, so there you go contradicting yourself and why all you get now is sarcasm. And brow-beating.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Clinton is winning larger and more diverse states. Sanders is winning smaller and less diverse states. Clinton is a heavy favorite in the remaining large, more diverse states. Denying that reality doesn't make it go away.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)The math is overwhelming. There is no way for Bernie to catch up even if he wins. He has to win landslides (60/40 everywhere) and that is simply not happening. Too many minorities who back Hillary by enormous margins.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)Hillary will crush Bernie in Michigan AND Mississippi to tomorrow. It is over, stop fantasizing.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not a single Dem that I'm aware of has endorsed/mentioned him and it's a Dem state with a popular Dem governor (endorsed Hillary a year ago) and a popular senator (Boxer) who is a Hilly surrogate. Plus Ahnold and his GOP pals absolutely thrashed the place in their Bush-era reign of terror and we're still picking up the pieces. Bernie ain't happening n the golden state.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Hillary stayed in until the convention. Why not Bernie? I get to cast my vote for Bernie on March 26. I can't wait. You're attempt to tamper support for Bernie will fail.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)and made longer than necessary.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)I hate for people to cling to impossible fantasies.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Not impossible or even unreasonable by a long shot.
Unlikely yes.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)She won the popular vote by a hair and only lost the delegate count by a hair (thanks to superdelegates). The 2008 race was incredibly close; as close as it gets. It's way too early to draw a comparison with 2016, but it's highly unlikely that this year's contest will resemble the 2008 version.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Actually pretty pathetic try..