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Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:06 AM

 

Found in released emails--Bernie to SOS Clinton

On KXL.....
THIS is why I support Bernie! Integrity like a boss!
But....there's nothing in those damn emails. Bwahahahahah!



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Reply Found in released emails--Bernie to SOS Clinton (Original post)
pinebox Mar 2016 OP
cantbeserious Mar 2016 #1
highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #14
think Mar 2016 #2
Laughing Mirror Mar 2016 #3
BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #4
renate Mar 2016 #18
JudyM Mar 2016 #21
pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #41
Jitter65 Mar 2016 #5
angstlessk Mar 2016 #24
CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #37
rosesaylavee Mar 2016 #42
RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #6
VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #29
Barack_America Mar 2016 #7
ellennelle Mar 2016 #8
Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #9
AzDar Mar 2016 #10
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #11
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #12
amborin Mar 2016 #13
zentrum Mar 2016 #15
tblue37 Mar 2016 #35
zentrum Mar 2016 #36
tblue37 Mar 2016 #38
zentrum Mar 2016 #39
TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #16
SoapBox Mar 2016 #17
senz Mar 2016 #28
dchill Mar 2016 #19
Thespian2 Mar 2016 #20
Plucketeer Mar 2016 #22
KoKo Mar 2016 #23
Arazi Mar 2016 #25
CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #26
senz Mar 2016 #27
druidity33 Mar 2016 #30
Jim Lane Mar 2016 #31
Enthusiast Mar 2016 #32
grntuscarora Mar 2016 #33
ebayfool Mar 2016 #34
Optimism Mar 2016 #40
rosesaylavee Mar 2016 #43

Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:12 AM

1. Integrity Is As Integrity Does

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:43 PM

14. REALLY. FOR REAL. You just can't beat it for value.

 

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:15 AM

2. K&R!

 

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:19 AM

3. Environmental destruction conflict of interest

The interest being to destroy a little more the environment for the money it will make a few people.

Wonder what the response was. Wonder even if there was one.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:19 AM

4. Isn't it great to support a politician

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and find out there is a YouTube video or a written record of something from 5, 10, or 20 years ago and your first reaction isn't to cringe about whether it might be something embarrassing?

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:56 PM

18. YES

It's wonderful!

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:07 PM

21. Interesting point about Bernie not being a cringe-worthy candidate by any stretch of the imagination

If more people don't get off their duffs and vote in these primary states we will all be doing a lot of cringing in the GE.

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Response to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:41 AM

41. Yes!


IT IS FANTASTIC!!

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:22 AM

5. And the outcome was....????

 

Hillary was SOS. She was overseeing the policies of her President and boss. Keystone was NOT approved under Hillary's tenure as SOS. The real point of this letter is to point out the conflict of interest of the contractor performing the environmental analysis. You should not pretend that this proves anything except that member of Congress and the Senate had a problem with the conflict of interest. And since you produced no follow-up response we only have half of that picture.

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:48 PM

24. Here is the final study released by the State Dept.

And here is what an excerpt from an article says about that very thing:

The final environmental review is being released on the heels of damning revelations about the close ties between the Canadian pipeline builder, TransCanada and Environmental Resources Management (ERM). ERM was hired by the State Department to conduct the environmental review.

According to documents obtained by the Sierra Club via Freedom of Information Act requests, TransCanada actually recommended ERM to conduct the study, and claimed, falsely, that the two companies had not worked together before.


Friends of the Earth president Erich Pica did not mince words in his reaction to the State Department's new report, telling the National Journal, “The State Department's environmental review of the Keystone XL pipeline is a farce. Since the beginning of the assessment, the oil industry has had a direct pipeline into the agency.”


Link to the article:

http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/01/31/keystone-xl-final-environmental-impact-statement-released-still-flawed

Almost forgot..here is a link to the final study given out by keystone itself:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjllISLna_LAhVKnoMKHT3UAywQFggjMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkeystonepipeline-xl.state.gov%2Farchive%2Fdos_docs%2Ffeis%2F&usg=AFQjCNHnJ6J-sU3oCoOSf0HpzEjhSJ2ueQ&sig2=6N1BhX0C49hTwXCHzYYH8w

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:00 AM

37. President Obama held back the Keystone Pipeline...

 

Hillary is greasing the rails to try to make it happen.

Consider Honduras, Libya and the TPP for object lessons.

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:27 AM

42. Either she was leading her Dept while there on this

or she wasn't leading her department while there on this. How could she NOT be aware of who was consulting on this very important issue? Activists were handcuffing themselves to the White House gates, pipelines, marching, writing letters. The interest in this was extremely high.

What I would have preferred, and what I think most would have expected from a SOS was that this study be based on the facts of the issue, not the financial rewards for a the industry.

This issue is when I finally came to terms with and realized that the Hillary Clinton that I had admired in the 90s really did not exist.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:30 AM

6. Wow! How RUDE of him!!

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:58 PM

29. He really needs to cut it out.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:32 AM

7. Environmental disaster involving the Kalamazzo River.

Bernie should bring this email up tonight.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:31 PM

8. her damn emails!

heh.

do you have a link, please?

thx so much.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:33 PM

9. <3 Bernie

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:34 PM

10. Bernie is "The Real Deal"...

 

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:35 PM

11. Along with Leahy and one of my Senators, Wyden!

 

Not. For. Sale.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:36 PM

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pinebox.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:37 PM

13. K&R

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:43 PM

15. Wish he was more

……of a bulldog at times. This kind of thing is something he should say briefly in debates.

He seems to think that "corporate greed" hurting the environment is enough to say. It isn't. This example of what HRC did behind the scenes really matters and is a good specific example of her corporate allegiance and hypocrisy on almost all progressive issues except choice.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:55 AM

35. Considering that she has said she is open to compromise with Republicans over restricting

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abortion, even choice isn't a sure thing with her, I fear

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:59 AM

36. Shockingly true.

Wrote this before the FOX town hall.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:55 AM

38. Actually, there were threads over a week ago quoting her comment about being open

to compomise on choice:


"Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health"

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511316086


She said long before tonight that she would consider constitutional restrictions on choice.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #38)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:04 AM

39. Didn't know.

Living and learning. Thanks.



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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:45 PM

16. K & R!

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:52 PM

17. Oh! I'm sure that this will be front page of all papers!

Uhh, guess not.

They would probably say he's attacking or mocking her.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:54 PM

28. Hell, they'd say he's being sexist!

 

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:00 PM

19. K&R! You go, pinebox!

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:04 PM

20. Her Royal Highness using her powers

to screw the environment for the sake of the GREEDY BASTARDS...CIBC and TD, 2 Canadian Banks, paid her hundreds of thousands of US dollars for several "speeches"...They also have financial connections with TransCanada, the company building Keystone XL pipeline...

Must be just an inconvenient coincident...

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:09 PM

22. Thanks for the enlightenment!

 

Goes to reinforce what we've clung to all along. INTEGRITY

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:23 PM

23. Recommend for Exposure!

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:49 PM

25. Kicked and recced!! eom

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:51 PM

26. K&R

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:52 PM

27. He is The Best. Hands down. The Best.

 

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:43 PM

30. K&R, nt.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:06 PM

31. I'm ticked that it was only the three of them writing.

 

Leahy, Sanders, and Wyden raised a very valid and important point. This letter should have had scores of co-signatories.

OK, I suppose it's possible that these three Senators wanted to get it out quickly and didn't take the time to solicit more sign-ons. My money is on cowardice on the part of other legislators, though.

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:09 PM

32. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:16 PM

33. Love it!!!

Though it doesn't surprise me at all. He's been fighting for the environment all his life.


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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:47 AM

34. Kicking for more eyes! And rec'd! n/t

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:21 AM

40. Definitely worth reading the entire letter.

This ultimately makes me respect Obama just a bit more for nixing it (though in large part that was likely primarily due to the bottoming out of oil prices).

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Response to pinebox (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:48 AM

43. Sharing widely. Links here.

Thanks for the post!

Link to the PDF of the de-classified letter--> https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/Waterfall/193727.pdf

Link to the October 2011 NYT article --> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/science/earth/08pipeline.html

Link to Nation's article from March 2013:  State Department Report Paves the Way for Keystone Approval / http://www.thenation.com/article/state-department-report-paves-way-keystone-approval/

...This is the key paragraph:

Based on information and analysis about the North American crude transport infrastructure (particularly the proven ability of rail to transport substantial quantities of crude oil profitably under current market conditions, and to add capacity relatively rapidly) and the global crude oil market, the draft Supplemental EIS concludes that approval or denial of the proposed Project is unlikely to have a substantial impact on the rate of development in the oil sands, or on the amount of heavy crude oil refined in the Gulf Coast area.


In other words, the State Department believes the Keystone pipeline won’t have any real effect on how much tar sands oil is ultimately refined and brought to market, and thus, that it will have no substantial impact on climate change. Specifically, the report says blocking the pipeline would only lessen emissions by 0.07 to 5.3 million metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2030. For context, in 2010 the United States emitted 6,821.8 million metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2010.


March 2013 SOS 'Reassessment' (favorable) for the Keystone --> http://keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/draftseis/index.htm

Secy Clinton is NOT the one to lead on Climate. Her ties to the Fossil Fuel Industry run deep, she is beholden to them. Even if it's 'Business as Usual' our climate, our planet is cooked under this kind of leadership.

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