Clinton is a candidate for privileged people who want American workers to compete for 50¢ an hour

[Cheese Sandwich]

Some Clinton voters don't understand the Clinton policies have destroyed our communities.

They aren't a realistic choice.

Clinton is the candidate of privileged people who don't fear having to compete with workers in Asia making 50 cents an hour.

Clinton is the candidate for privileged people who don't have to look everyday at rusted out factories and mills that used to employ thousands of people and now sit empty thanks to Clinton trade policies.

If you don't feel threatened by these trade deals, then you're a mighty privileged person, and Clinton is probably your choice.

When factories and mills close down, when good paying jobs leave, that destroys the tax base in our towns and then we can't afford basic stuff like clean water and safe schools. That's the real story of what's happening all across America, especially in places like Michigan and Ohio.

NAFTA, trade with China, and the WTO. She supported all that crap. It is a class war and Hillary is on the wrong side. She doesn't care about me, and I don't care about her.

[yourpaljoey]

1. thank you

[Cheese Sandwich]

2. Some people don't get it because of their super privilege they are able to support policies like

NAFTA and TPP because they don't live in neighborhoods that are completely fucking destroyed by it.

[forest444]

32. Hillary said it best...

It takes a pillage.

[Hortensis]

4. Hillary Clinton: A PLAN TO RAISE AMERICAN INCOMES

Hillary will:
1. Give working families a raise, and
2. Tax relief that helps them manage rising costs.
3. Create good-paying jobs and get pay rising by investing in infrastructure, clean energy, and scientific and medical research to strengthen our economy and growth.
4. Close corporate tax loopholes and make the most fortunate pay their fair share.
5. Taking Back Tax Breaks For Companies That Move US Jobs Overseas.

Hillary believes the defining economic challenge of our time is raising incomes for hardworking Americans.

Too many families are working harder and harder, but still not getting ahead. Our country is standing again, but we’re not yet running the way we should be. From her first day in office to the last, Hillary Clinton will fight for you and for more take-home pay so you can get ahead and stay ahead.

Hillary understands that in order to raise incomes, we need strong growth, fair growth, and long-term growth. And she has a plan to get us there.

Strong growth
Hillary will invest in infrastructure, clean energy, and scientific and medical research to create jobs and strengthen our economy. And she’ll provide tax relief to working families and small businesses. That’s how we’ll move toward a full employment economy that creates jobs, pushes businesses to compete over workers, and raises incomes.

Create a New College Compact. Hillary’s New College Compact will invest $350 billion so that students do not have to borrow to pay tuition at a public college in their state. Her plan will also significantly cut interest rates on student loans and enable an estimated 25 million Americans with student debt to refinance at today’s lower rates, saving the typical borrower $2,000 over the life of their loans.

There's actually a WHOLE LOT MORE, but it is found under a variety of subjects.

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. Her record and her life's work are the direct opposite.

She's been a leader on pushing America toward a Walmart economy based on low wages and cheap Chinese imports.

Clinton's record:
NAFTA
WTO
Chinese imports
Defending Walmart
Columbia trade deal
Korea trade deal
Selling TPP around the world.

This stuff matters.

[Mnpaul]

42. on top of your list

I will ad that Hillary voted to allow these companies to bring back their foreign profits at a highly discounted rate.

You have to be foolish if you believe that she is going to go after the outsourcers.

[Vincardog]

9. Talking point are EASY. She can just steal them from Bernie. What POLICIES has she supported? NAFTA

TPP KEYstone "truth in sentencing" and other "get tuff on crime" Three strike and your out.

What has she lobbied for and help pass?
Don't bother with position papers written by lobbyists and advisors.

[Gwhittey]

20. This is like

posting G.W Bush plan to stop another war with Iraq. How can we trust her to finally do these things when she had year to not do the opposite of them.

[Katashi_itto]

21. Wow with her track record of destruction this is soo easy to believe.

[senz]

22. Most of that is watered down Bernie, all of it was written by aides for Primary consumption.

[arcane1]

28. With so little content, one might as well say "Hillary will move this country forward"

[LanternWaste]

62. Much like the OP...

Much like the OP... itself exempt from that same criticism though due to its popular bias.

[SheilaT]

29. That "New College Compact".

Tell, me, did she talk about that BEFORE Bernie Sanders says he wants college to be free? Or did she simply notice it was gaining a lot of traction, so thought she'd try to co-opt it?

These things really do matter.

[Hortensis]

35. Oh, absolutely! This problem's been around long,

long before anyone knew Bernie's name.

[SheilaT]

36. Yes, we all know the problem has been around a long time.

But did Hillary give a flying fuck about it until a few weeks ago? THAT'S the question.

[Yuugal]

56. Hmmmm...

If you watch this whole video your life will be changed! It worked for me!!1!!1!1! My husband came back, my wife came back(a bit awkward happening on the same day and all), I got a better job, and Hillarians finally answered an issues question!

WATCH NOW!!1!1!

[VulgarPoet]

52. Has she also said she's going to stop supporting H1B visas yet and bring back our tech sector

Cause I mean, talking points are easy, I'd like to see some action that DOESN'T fall in line with her free trade support. Talk is cheap, and probably the only thing the little guys can actually afford from her, dependent on who she's speaking to.

[AzDar]

3. K & R

[MisterP]

5. yup, it's the new gentry class, and those who think they'll "make it" and join them

[Cheese Sandwich]

6. Some people don't recognize how privelged they really are

When you're not afraid of factories shutting down, when you're ok with US workers competing for 50 cents/hour against workers in Asia, that's pure privilege.

[MisterP]

16. they PROFIT from factories closing

and yet their houses are so ill-built

[Cheese Sandwich]

8. Hillary Clinton Flip Flops on NAFTA

[Cheese Sandwich]

10. Hillary Clinton in support of NAFTA

[Cheese Sandwich]

11. A lot of Clinton supporters don't recognize their own privilege because they do have access to

basic things like clean water and safe, decent housing.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Hillary Will Flip-Flop On TPP Again If Elected

[Cheese Sandwich]

13. 33 Direct Quotes of Hillary Clinton Lobbying for the TPP Around the World

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton had an intimate role helping to craft and lobby for the TPP.


http://usuncut.com/politics/heres-33-direct-quotes-of-hillary-clinton-lobbying-for-the-tpp-around-the-world/

[stupidicus]

14. HC supporters come in basically three types

those who support most of her garbage past and present, the ignorant, and the largest group

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. - Carl Sagan

[chapdrum]

15. The fact that so many Dems don't understand this

is beyond my comprehension.

HRC is all facade, all the time.

[Ferd Berfel]

23. SOmething is wrong here

Recently I've posted articles on the Destruction that NAFTA and Monsanto have caused (in different arenas of course). There are actually people here defending both! Poor misunderstood Monsanto and NAFTA is good for you

Something aint right around here

[Cheese Sandwich]

41. The Democratic Party has been that way for a long time now

Since the late 80s or early 90s probably .

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

51. That's the problem with the 'Big Tent' accepting just anyone.

They come in with their Republican ideas, and instead of abandoning them, they say 'Hey, now that I'm a Democrat too, you have to accept this as a Democratic idea!'

[Don Draper]

17. The clintons are disastrous on trade

Nafta had devestating consequences here in Missouri. Manufacuring plant after manufacturing plant closed shop, laid off workers and moved to Mexico to pay slave wages shortly after nafta was passed and signed into law by ol'e slick Willy. There is absolutely no doubt Hillary will sign the TPP if elected. You can take that to the bank. Bernie has been on the right side opposing these disastrous trade policies his entire career. That's one of the main reasons the Sandman has my vote!

[Ford_Prefect]

18. Selling off America by the pound just like Thatcher did to England.

[Cheese Sandwich]

47. It's true. In this case they dismantle assembly lines in the US and ship them to China.

[dchill]

57. Not to mention, sometimes the US workers have to train...

their replacements. A real morale builder!

[amborin]

19. Privilege here:

[restorefreedom]

24. fucking A. great graphic, amborin! nt

[cantbeserious]

40. Repugnant And Revolting

eom

[Cheese Sandwich]

43. They think they earned it.

Privilege is making $8000 an hour and thinking you earned it.

[appalachiablue]

61. +1

[Baobab]

25. GATS is the services deal from 1995, and TiSA is the new one.

>Some Clinton voters don't understand the Clinton policies have destroyed our communities.

Thats very true

>They aren't a realistic choice.

I agree, and the biggest reason is one you didnt mention, the WTO which is the absolute wrong way to do globalization.

>Clinton is the candidate of privileged people who don't fear having to compete with workers in Asia making 50 cents an hour.

No, they are not going to be paying $0.50/hour. That would be against the deals. The host country has to obey its own laws, as far as labour *conditions* (perhaps not wages) They may even be paying minimum wage, even trying to raise it so we wont look as bad. But its playing with fire to raise wages as a trade deal with its standstill is concluding, thats like waving a red fag in front of the WTO. They may well tell us to dump it. After all, WTO ideology says that only poor countries need "discriminaory" domestic regulations, and rich countries don't. thats why the poor countries are so excited about *progressive liberalisation*. They see it as a road to ElDorado, the gleaming city of progress and trade liberalism.

No, they wont be paid slave wages, they likely wll make whatever they negotiated with their employer, it may be low but slaves are not paid anything and are the property of their masters, so slave wages are nothing. maybe food.

My guess is that some wage law will apply, likely the higher of the two countries minimum wages if they have them.
They are temporay workers and cannot stay or job hop, basically "Mode Four" is thought of as an intra-corporate transfer.

They will likely make either the higher of the minimum wages of the two countries or no restriction on wages at all, for the guest workers, it would between them and their employer who will be foreign contracting firms that specialize in whatever it is they do. healthcare, IT, teaching, and so on.

They likely will be here mostly for the experience - either that or it will be an unfair situation which will grate on everybody involved. The TiSA may be the world's cure for neoliberalism.

>Clinton is the candidate for privileged people who don't have to look everyday at rusted out factories and mills that used to employ thousands of people and now sit empty thanks to Clinton trade policies. They will probably be torn down and the land turned into something else. barring some miracle.

You can get an idea of the future framing we will have to endure here.

They are driven by a lack of morals and greed but its also a failing of our system, to have created moral rights for all humans which are above money- Basically the trade deals are formally setting up a new order of "money is everything" that doesn't have the concepts of "living wages" and "public services" in it, (both are framed as thefts from corporations).

Thats the neo-liberal ideology, as exemplified by the clintons and protege Obama - they put forward a two sides face one message - the ones they send us is almost totally false..

The other is the message they are projecting in the trade deals and negotiations where corporations take advantage of the trust weve placed in them - its an investment, they have bought the rights to us.

It will get worse until both we and the rest of the world sees through the scheme and sees the lack of sustainability in what they think is their big picture. Sure, Ive herd their argument which is that we need to share the business with other countries but the fact is, there would be much better ways for North and South to interact than the race to the bottom they are pushing, the world especially needs the safety nets they are trying so hard to dismantle, more and more education will be needed to get even the most lowly engineer position, and of course, unskilled jobs are vanishing at an exponentially increasing rate.

they are trying to maintain or increase inequality. We dont see them making any sacrifices, what they are doing is playing off the skilled workers in developing countries against skilled workers in developed countries to the detriment of both.

>If you don't feel threatened by these trade deals, then you're a mighty privileged person, and Clinton is probably your choice.

Not wise, because the economy will implode afterwards - US companies that dont want to replace their workfrces with low wage subcontractors will totally automate leaving almost no jobs at all. Thats the near future and these deals like TiSA make the transition worse and much more dangerous for society.

>When factories and mills close down, when good paying jobs leave, that destroys the tax base in our towns and then we can't afford basic stuff like clean water and safe schools.

"Disinvestment" - They decided not to invest here, they invested in other countries, but they had a problem, lack of "National Treatment" and "Most Favored Nation" So to get those coveted status, they have to give jobs, they have to put lots of jobs on the table. That likely was and is Obama's job #1.

>That's the real story of what's happening all across America, especially in places like Michigan and Ohio.

Its going to get much worse if Clinton is "re-elected" because NOBODY KNOWS what they have in store, the rest of the world, especially the developing countries which are gearing up to supply their highly skilled services, to help us with our alleged *"labour shortages"*.. and that represents an out, even after their so called *"progressive liberalisation"* has been in the pipeline for 20 years, their deception would be an out, IF the US does not re-elect her - the wife of the man most associated -outside the US- with the WTO and this scheme which is a really destructive con game, in my opinion. For example, we are using GATS to coercively compel the Indians to give up their right to public education.. (nlike here, you can read about that in the press there, a debate we should have had here in 1995, but never did) .

>NAFTA, trade with China, and the WTO.

NAFTA was the first of the "negative list" FTAS - like the pending TISA and its "Negative list" is very bad, because it opens all service sectors and all modes of supply by default unless they are carved out now in geneva - in negotiations which nobody here in the US even seems to know are going on.

China is no longer the ultra low wage country t once was, its huge, and I think its futile for us to see it as anything other than the America of Asia, that said, their huan rights situation is horrible, but we're now flirting with getting worse and worse rapidly going towrds that ourselves, and the #1 problem is politicians lying, covering that up is going to require more and more dishonesty in a vicious circle.. placing a huge burden on our nation and rapidly leading to a real test for democracy.


>She supported all that crap. It is a class war and Hillary is on the wrong side. She doesn't care about me, and I don't care about her.

[senz]

26. What a strange Democratic Primary this has turned out to be.

An elitist Wall Street-owned DINO who has stacked the deck totally in her favor vs. a Democratic Socialist, a true candidate of the people with no establishment support.

It's completely lopsided. The usual in-betweens are nowhere to be seen. I almost feel nostalgic for O'Malley and the others.

[farleftlib]

48. It's the strangest EVER

I'm still flabbergasted by it.

An elitist Wall Street-owned DINO who has stacked the deck totally in her favor... Best description I've heard of her in a loooong time!

[Major Nikon]

27. Results...

On Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:37 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Clinton is a candidate for privileged people who want American workers to compete for 50¢ an hour
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511436455

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Hurtful and an outright lie since HRC has never been elected so as to be able to create her own policies.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:44 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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[Lizzie Poppet]

30. OMG, that alert! "HRC has never been elected so as to be able to create her own policies."

Apparently, that whole "Senator form New York" thing never happened...

[Cheese Sandwich]

46. Some people have short memories

[Ford_Prefect]

49. And some of them appear to have none at all. After all it was never really that good before, right?

The middle class dreams (and acheivements) of your parents were an illusion not supported by history.

The world is headed that way so why not make more trade agreements?
But then some animals have always been more equal than others.
It's just the way of the world, you know? It can't really be changed by us so why are you arguing about it?
They've been fighting for years (decades, centuries, millenia) so why are you worried about a little bit more of the same old thing?
You can't fight city hall, wall street, the pentagon, international oil companies, Giant pharma, Agribusiness, KBR, NSA or Carlyle Group, they are just too big to defeat (arrest, prosecute, fail)

...And the rationalizations just keep coming from our own party leadership.


Resistance is futile! You WILL be absorbed.

And if you hadn't heard already, Soylent Green is people. (if not, it soon will be, and marketed by Red Bull).

[VulgarPoet]

59. Basically what they're saying

Hell, I was outright questioned why I was here and told to find someplace better earlier this morning. Kinda... Really hammers home that "Fuck you, I got mine" that Camp Weathervane seems to espouse.

[Ford_Prefect]

60. In the former Soviet Union the correct terminology would be a Cult of Personality.

A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods to create an idealized, heroic, and at times worshipful image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

[VulgarPoet]

63. Basically. nt

[Phlem]

33. Yep. They are on fire today.

Be careful.

[Cheese Sandwich]

67. they aren't really on fire,

they're just feeling the bern

[Cheese Sandwich]

37. /shrug

I guess someone didn't like it

[cantbeserious]

31. HRC Is Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Make No Mistake About Her Loyalties

eom

[Cheese Sandwich]

38. It's more than clear if we look at her record instead of her campaign promises.

[cantbeserious]

39. Roger That

eom

[Dont call me Shirley]

34. Its all about the "New Service Economy" according to Bill Clinton...

Anybody remember him saying that over and over?

[Cheese Sandwich]

44. I was a huge Bill Clinton defender but

I really feel like he was a scam artist. He was just selling these profitable policies for corporate America while the dismantling the foundation of our productive economy.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

55. I don't give much of a damn about him having an affair,

even a kinky one on public time in public space.

That basically wrecked one person's life - Monica's. And I sympathize with her, but it's on the level of a retail crime.

It's his godawful policies that helped destroy the country, the wholesale devastation thanks to his 'working with Republicans in a bipartisan manner to 'get things done' to the country' that really irritate me. The electoral damage he did to the Party was almost an afterthought, but led inexorably to the brand dropping into the toilet and the enormous gains by Republicans at all levels of government.

[Dont call me Shirley]

64. "New Service Economy" code for lower wages, no benefits.

[Logical]

45. kick

[TheFarseer]

50. Republicans are starting to make the case

and sadly, it's getting more credible when Democrats back these bad trade deals and H1B visas, that THEY are the party that is best for American labor. Of course this is a very hollow claim but at least they get it right once in a while, like Cruz apparently wanting to stop H1B visa abuse and Trump talking about bad trade deals. Democrats need to leave NO DOUBT that they are the best party for American workers. Bernie Sanders is the only choice that does this. If the Democratic voter coalition doesn't include middle class workers, there is not nearly enough left to elect a president.

[VulgarPoet]

54. It's honestly pretty damn horrifying. nt.

[Cobalt Violet]

53. Yes, in other words Dinos party.

Eventually their going too far to the right will catch up to them.

[CdnExtraNational]

58. Thanks Cheese Sandwich!

Could you imagine a situation where Hillary Clinton is to the right of Donald Trump.

I have a feeling Donald Trump might evolve if he sees an opening.

[Cheese Sandwich]

69. It scares me because Trump can can into the Democratic core regions

Like in the the industrial midwest. Clinton will not get the massive turnout in border states that Obama was able to get. We're going to be in a lot of trouble if it comes down to Clinton vs. Trump.

[Corey_Baker08]

65. I Live Below The Poverty Level & I Support Her....

I Would Assume That The African Americans & Minority Voters That Gave Her A 30-40 Point Win Over Sanders In The South Aren't The Privileged People You Are Referring To?

Your Post Is Bullshit You Trash Hillary Instead Of Lifting Up Bernie Sanders, Whom The NRA Has Endorsed....

[Cheese Sandwich]

66. A lot of Hillary fans are super privileged and don't worry about their jobs going to China

Otherwise they wouldn't support a candidate who has that record of sending US jobs out of the country and shilling for Walmart.

[Cheese Sandwich]

70. self rec

[Phlem]

68. Wow.

She helped write the TPP. Do you honestly think American jobs are her concern?

Please do some research.