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Time for change

(13,714 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:14 PM Mar 2016

Bernie’s Path to Victory

For a few years now I have fervently hoped that either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would win the Democratic nomination for President in 2016. I haven’t cared much which one. Each of them has shown great courage in standing up against established powers in the United States, in an attempt to make life better for the majority of American citizens. They are both especially concerned about the economic status of our country.

Income inequality has reached obscene proportions in our country, levels not seen since just before the Stock Market Crash of 1929, which was followed by the Great Depression. As most of us know, one of our greatest presidents, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, was elected in 1932 to deal with that Depression, and he did so with the establishment of a great variety of programs which remained in place for many years. Many of those programs involved controls on the financial industry, which was to a large extent behind the Crash of 1929 and is similarly responsible for our economic woes in recent years, as they have lobbied for relaxation of one control after another of their “freedom” to ruin our economy while becoming filthy rich themselves in the process. One of the main controls that was destroyed was Glass-Steagall, which was essentially repealed in 1999 by the signature of President Bill Clinton.

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are committed to restoring Glass-Steagall and many other measures that would help to restore income equality in our country. Bill Clinton denies that the repeal of Glass-Steagall had anything to do with the financial crash of 2008 or our current economic woes, and Hillary Clinton will not pledge to re-instate it. As we all know, her vast campaign treasure chest is largely funded by Wall Street, which would certainly not support her if they thought there was any likelihood that she would attempt to restore Glass-Steagall. That is one of the main reasons that I support Bernie for President, but there are many others. In short, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have shown a long history of standing up against the established powers in this country, and Hillary Clinton has not.


The gender issue

From what I have seen, the gender issue is playing a huge issue in this campaign. Many people believe that electing a woman president is long overdue in this country, and that is a major reason that they support Hillary. I too would like to see a woman elected president – but definitely NOT one funded by Wall Street. I get so sick of e-mails from Emilie’s List, which almost comes right out and says that Hillary should get the nomination because she is a woman. I hate identity politics of that kind. I wish I could see a poll of Hillary supporters that asks whether or not her gender plays a big role in their propensity to vote for her – and a similar one asking the same thing about Bernie. I have little doubt what it would show.


Bernie’s path to victory in the Democratic primaries according to the 538 website

So obviously I was very interested when a few days ago the 538 website published a map of Bernie’s “Narrow Path to Victory”, noting what percentage of the vote he needs in every remaining state to surpass Hillary in delegate count. Of course he doesn’t have to hit the target in every state to do that. He just needs to hit it on average, that is, he needs to surpass the target in some states in order to make up for the amount that he fails to meet it in other states. Let me be clear about this. These are not predictions or expectations. They are target goals that Bernie has to meet to win the nomination. The 538 predictions were quite a bit lower for Bernie in every single state. For example, Bernie’s target goal in Michigan was 53%. Yet, Nate Silver gave him less than a 1% chance of even winning that state, let alone achieving his target goal. Here is a quick sampling of how Bernie has done in the states that have held primaries since the map came out, compared to how his target goals are depicted by 538:

Kansas:
Target goal – 56.5%;
Actual result – 68%

Nebraska:
Target goal – 61%
Actual result – 57%

Louisiana:
Target goal – 25%
Actual result – 25%

Maine:
Target goal – 65%
Actual result – 64%

Michigan:
Target goal – 53%
Actual result – 51%

Mississippi:
Target goal – 25%
Actual result – 17%

So Bernie has made or exceeded some target goals and missed some others, but on average is very close. In turn, this means that he has exceeded expectations tremendously in the past week or so. Incidentally, my daughter and I had a disagreement about what the results would be in Michigan. She said that Bernie was going to win Michigan. I, on the other hand, looking at Nate Silver’s prediction on election eve of Bernie having less than a 1 % chance of winning Michigan, and predicting in fact that he would lose by 23 percentage points, obviously had a very hard time believing that he would win it – as Nate Silver has never been that far wrong in a prediction EVER. But Bernie did it, just as he has far exceeded 538’s predictions in almost all state primaries since it published Bernie’s “Narrow Path to Victory”.


So where do we stand now?

So whereas Bernie has done an amazing job so far, and has far exceeded expectations in general, he still has some mighty steep obstacles to climb in order to win the nomination – not the least of which is that the leadership of the Democratic Party, as well as the financial industry and most all of corporate America is rabidly against him.

It is worth noting though, that according to most polls, Bernie does very well against all of the likely Republican candidates that he might run up against – better than Hillary does. He beats all of them in the Electoral College. He does especially well against Donald Trump, winning in national polls against him currently by 11% - and climbing.

Yet, despite all of this, I am still pessimistic about his chances of winning the Democratic nomination, given all the obstacles in his path. As I said, he has a very large mountain to climb.


A proposed solution

However, I have a proposed solution that I strongly believe will solve the problem. I mentioned Elizabeth Warren at the beginning of this post, largely because I believe that she holds the keys. Given the importance of the gender issue in this election, and the fact that she and Bernie have very similar views on the issues and that both stand out as perhaps the two highest level politicians in this country to repeatedly demonstrate their willingness to stand up against the established powers, I believe that at the very least she should heavily and enthusiastically endorse him and campaign for him.

Or alternatively, she could jump into the race. There is no way in hell that Hillary would win a majority of delegates against the two of them running simultaneously. They could in a sense run together, making it clear that if they could stop Hillary from winning a majority of delegates, they would combine their delegates to get it done. That means ultimately, that one would release all their delegates to vote for the other one. Bernie has repeatedly said that this election is not about him – rather, it is about some extremely important issues threatening to destroy our country. So if voters in the Democratic Party are determined to have a woman president, he could release his delegates to a woman who would fight the financial powers who are destroying our country rather than pander to them. I have little doubt that Bernie would be willing to do that if it was the only way. And maybe the one of them could choose the other as their running mate, and make that public right now.

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Bernie’s Path to Victory (Original Post) Time for change Mar 2016 OP
I believe there will have to be a seismic shift in the media Ron Green Mar 2016 #1
I agree partially Time for change Mar 2016 #12
It'll be interesting to see how the media's business model Ron Green Mar 2016 #13
An alternative Warren idea Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #2
I agree Time for change Mar 2016 #30
Is this truly Time for Change posting again? Raster Mar 2016 #3
Thank you very much Time for change Mar 2016 #4
As am I. We are part of history. Raster Mar 2016 #6
What Raster Said... + 1,000,000,000 !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #33
Your wish for Elizabeth Warren: Herman4747 Mar 2016 #5
It's amusing that you think they are all scared mythology Mar 2016 #15
Yep, about as amusing as this here: Herman4747 Mar 2016 #17
It never enters my mind SheenaR Mar 2016 #32
I don't know their reasons for not endorsing Bernie Time for change Mar 2016 #18
Recommended! H2O Man Mar 2016 #7
Thank you! Time for change Mar 2016 #14
I'll second that! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #26
Thank you Time for change Mar 2016 #28
KICK! Raster Mar 2016 #8
Nice thought.. but.... basselope Mar 2016 #9
I think that so called ballance is over-rated Time for change Mar 2016 #11
agree. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #27
knr so I can find later, thx Time For change! nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #10
Thank you Time for change Mar 2016 #29
He has to overperform in the midwest and the west coast Recursion Mar 2016 #16
What your'e saying is reasonably consistent with the "Path to Victory" map that I provide a link for Time for change Mar 2016 #20
Minor side point: DC should be good for him Recursion Mar 2016 #22
I think it now boils down to Ohio and Illinois. Adrahil Mar 2016 #19
In Ohio, election law says that 17 year olds can vote.... but Time for change Mar 2016 #21
I support Bernie in that suit. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #24
The math is not on Bernie's side. Hillary will be the D nominee in November. beaglelover Mar 2016 #23
I think he would have to win 55% of the remaining delegates Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #31
Your last option is no longer possible. MineralMan Mar 2016 #25

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
1. I believe there will have to be a seismic shift in the media
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

that consists of a mea culpa and a new awareness of what's required of journalism in a resilient democracy.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
12. I agree partially
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

Our national news media is a disgrace and a major obstacle to the election of good people to high offices.

But more and more people, especially young people, are getting their information through the Internet. That's why Berie does so well among young voters.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
13. It'll be interesting to see how the media's business model
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:11 AM
Mar 2016

evolves: Whether a return to actual journalism or continued descent into lower and lower-brow entertainment.

 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
2. An alternative Warren idea
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

If Bernie has had any discussions with her about being his running mate and if she hasn't definitively turned him down, now would be the time to leak that info to the world. Saying that they've had some discussions about her being his running mate (with nothing definite stated) would definitely help the momentum.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
6. As am I. We are part of history.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

Two Presidencies have come and gone - one selected (as you well know) and one elected (as you also well know).

We live in VERY INTERESTING TIMES.

Very, very good to see posting again.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
5. Your wish for Elizabeth Warren:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016
"I believe that at the very least she should heavily and enthusiastically endorse him and campaign for him."

She won't do that -- alas, she doesn't have the guts! Senators Barbara Boxer, Al Franken, Sheldon Whitehouse, Sherrod Brown, etc., etc. -- ALL OF THEM -- don't have the guts, unfortunately.

The only recent Senator who I believe may well have had the guts to endorse Bernie was the one who famously exclaimed:

"I am from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party!"



Paul Wellstone, 1944 - 2002
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. It's amusing that you think they are all scared
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:45 AM
Mar 2016

It apparently never enters your mind that they might honestly believe Clinton to be the better nominee.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
32. It never enters my mind
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

They all either stand to gain with a win or stand to lose if they back Bernie and she wins.

If they back her and Bernie wins, Bernie embraces them. Win win for them. No question.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
18. I don't know their reasons for not endorsing Bernie
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:36 AM
Mar 2016

I don't believe that they think that Hillary is the better candidate. It's too obvious that she is not.

But I also think it's unfair to say that it's because she doesn't have guts. She's proven that she does have lots of guts in her fights against Wall Street.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
9. Nice thought.. but....
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

First, Warren has shown INCREDIBLE courage by NOT endorsing Clinton... the pressure on her is amazing to follow suit and she is doing it with the knowledge that IF Hillary gets in... Warren will be on the outside looking in, because the Clinton's are well known for punishing political rivals.

Second, two liberals from New England will NOT work on a national ticket.

Bernie is going to need to find someone (preferably) from the south or southwest with his ideals to be on the ticket and someone who people aren't worried about becoming president, given Bernie's age.

I think Castro is too young:

Some possibilities are: Sherrod Brown, John Hickenlooper, Tim Kaine (may be too establishment) Mark Warner (Same problem as Kaine)

There are others, but I think he needs to stay out of his region and balance with someone people could see in the white house.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
11. I think that so called ballance is over-rated
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:52 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie has gone from national unknown status to immense popularity in a relatively very short period of time. Millions of people like him because as they get to know him better they realize how caring and intelligent and courageous and honest he is. Same thing could apply to Elizabeth Warren. I don't think that all that many voters are worried about "balance" on the ticket.

Also, I think that in this case the most important and obvious type of balance needed is gender balance, since there is such a desire among large segments of Democratic voters to have a woman president.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
27. agree.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:47 PM
Mar 2016

I still have a bias for E.Warren being Bernie's running mate. But I can get behind Nina or Tulsi with little issue.

The demographics clearly lean toward a woman VP choice but the old mantra of location, location, location died with GWB & BHO and the advent of the Internet Age. That said, for old timers, Nina coming from Ohio has the best location optics for Bernie.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. He has to overperform in the midwest and the west coast
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:46 AM
Mar 2016

OR and WA should be good for him, but he needs them to be the kind of blowouts that Clinton is getting in the South. He also needs bigger wins in OH and PA even than he got in MI.

There is a western strategy for him (I doubt he can win CA but he can keep it close enough to be a delegate wash) but he needs the Midwest, period, including keeping IL close. Big Sky country should be a blowout, but he needs the rest of the west to be that good too.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
20. What your'e saying is reasonably consistent with the "Path to Victory" map that I provide a link for
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:49 AM
Mar 2016

in the OP

The main difference is that their analysis says that to have a reasonable chance, Bernie needs to win California (as well as the rest of the West, keeping, IL, NY, NJ, CT, and RI close, and winning the rest of the country outside of the South, except for Maryland and DC).

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
22. Minor side point: DC should be good for him
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:03 AM
Mar 2016

I know it's the blackest constituency in the country but it's also the most liberal constituency in the country. If I were putting money down I'd have him taking DC.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. I think it now boils down to Ohio and Illinois.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:43 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders has a decent shot at Ohio, and Illinois is not out of the question.

If he can take Ohio, he's not out of it. Not yet, anyway.

If he can also take Illinois, then this is a real race.

If he takes neither, I think he'll keep fighting, but I think it's basically over.

Gotta say, my gut says he may take Ohio.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
21. In Ohio, election law says that 17 year olds can vote.... but
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:51 AM
Mar 2016

election officials have somehow declared that law extinct (for obvious reasons), and Bernie has a lawsuit going on that.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
31. I think he would have to win 55% of the remaining delegates
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:20 PM
Mar 2016

in every state. For each state he doesn't win by 55% then the percentage in the remaining states goes higher.

Plus, he would have to turn hundreds of super delegates away from Hillary to him.

Neither is realistic. It just isn't going to happen.

MineralMan

(146,302 posts)
25. Your last option is no longer possible.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:04 PM
Mar 2016

Elizabeth Warren could not get on the primary ballots. The deadline for that has passed, I think in every state. The time for that would have been much earlier, and Warren decided not to run. As yet, she has not endorsed either candidate, and may well not until after the convention.

Her endorsement would probably benefit Bernie Sanders, if she made such an endorsement. Similarly, an announcement by Sanders that she would be his choice for VP would also benefit him. However, that would require Warren to agree to such a thing. She appears to have decided not to become in this primary race, so that seems unlikely.

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