Election last night Bernie won by 1.5%, 49.8 to 48.3% in a state Hillary was leading the day of the election by 21.4%. Most would see that as a Clinton drop off.

And the next night, he averages 94% or so to Hillary's 6% or so - the best poll numbers after any debate and you're spinning this is a drop off for Bernie?

Likely voters - supposedly the more accurate polls

I do not see the drop off. They're getting close and closer.

Clinton's favorability - now here is something that seems to be steadily dropping off:

Bernie's favorability is again, the opposite - getting better

brooklynite

(94,547 posts)

15. I'm observing that Sanders ALWAYS "wins" the debate by 80/20 or so...

Reply to Jarqui (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:44 PM

Mar 2016

...which never seems to translate to votes.

I'm not disparaging his Primary wins, just the continued celebrating of his "winning" online polls.

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)

17. Non-politics-junkies probably don't watch debates in meaningful numbers, to be honest.

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:50 PM

Mar 2016

I suspect the debates play to an audience that's already largely made up its mind. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of voters, even in primaries (which attract more politically-involved people) only know what happened in any of the debates via the news media.

That's problematic, obviously...but what can you do?

Jarqui

(10,124 posts)

19. I think that's a reflection of the media coverage.

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:06 PM

Mar 2016

It's hard to control the message folks get on line. For those that rely on the mainstream media, they're getting lulled into what the folks who own the six major media companies want.

But the notable thing about those polls of last night was that instead of averaging 80%-20%, they were about 94%-6%. I think that result, like the standing ovation he got at the end, reflects Bernie really won that debate handily.

There is zero doubt in my mind, over enough time, Bernie would clobber Hillary. He started down 50-60 points and he's now within striking distance and still climbing. But Bernie doesn't have a lot of time. That's the real problem for him. In three months the primary ends and unless he starts to win more delegates, it will be over well before then.

I think that debate won him some support. We won't know for sure how much until the evening of March 15th.

There also seems to be a little rumbling starting in the media about Hillary's lying. Long overdue but it's seems to be starting. Michael Moore maintains that her lie on the auto bailout cost her Michigan - that's what he maintains was the key thing that flipped the electorate. If the people of Florida fact check what Hillary said last night in the debate like the folks in Michigan did, Hillary's going to lose a bunch of votes. Hillary lied a lot last night. In case you haven't noticed, like Michigan, folks eventually get fed up with being lied to.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)

18. My house. 50% Sanders. 50% Undecided.

Reply to Jarqui (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:55 PM

Mar 2016

Among Humans it was 100% Bernie.

The dogs were undecided, as they were demanding "free stuff" (Frosty Paws) the whole time.

sheshe2

(83,757 posts)

4. ?

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:27 AM

Mar 2016

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)

9. IOW... Good Enough, Bernie!

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:36 AM

Mar 2016

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)

5. She doubled down on her lie-based tactics that failed her in Michigan

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:32 AM

Mar 2016

She lied and misrepresented Bernie's stances on the auto bailout. The media collectively said she was wrong and unfair and even some Senators stepped forward to agree that she was out of line.

I think, in part, her dishonesty and lie-based smears of Bernie did her no favors with Michigan voters.

So, what does she do? She shows up for this debate--doubling down on a failed strategy.

Not only did she lie about Sanders. She attacked him in very bizarre, over-the-top ways.

She aligned Sanders with the Minutemen. She also aligned him with the Koch Brothers.

She will be vilified for these lies--which are far more desperate and unhinged.

She'll pay for it in the next 48 hours when Bernie campaigns all over the country debunking her lies.

She's all ready got 70 percent of the country believing that she's dishonest and not trustworthy. How low does she want those numbers to go?

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)

6. She also lied when she said all the TARP money was paid back n/t

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:34 AM

Mar 2016

arikara

(5,562 posts)

11. Seriously, who is advising her?

Reply to CoffeeCat (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:19 AM

Mar 2016

Every report said that her going on about Bernie voting against the auto bailout hurt her in Michigan so she goes and does it again and even worse about minutemen and kocks in Florida?

Maybe she's just tired out and wants to lose.