It should be over for Hillary: Party elites and MSNBC can't prop her up after Bernie's Michigan

[shawn703]

miracle.



You wouldn’t know it from watching TV last night or reading the national papers this morning but Bernie Sanders’ Michigan win ranks among the greatest upsets in presidential primary history.

Should he win the nomination it will be go down as the biggest upset of any kind in American political history.

Some key lessons, obvious to everyone but the media:

1. The old politics is over. The fault lines of the new politics are not cultural issues like guns, abortion and same-sex marriage that divide the Democratic and Republican bases. They are issues of political reform and economic justice that divide both party’s elites from both parties’ bases, and the American people from their government. On these issues we find the elites of both parties shockingly alike. Among them: global trade; financial deregulation and prosecution of financial crimes; the social safety net including Social Security, Medicare, a living wage and health care for all; above all, the “soft corruption” of pay to play politics.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

[morningfog]

1. I just came to post this. READ IT! It is important.

[SCantiGOP]

46. read about the miracle!

A 1.7% win! Falling further behind in the delegate count!

Miracles have a very low threshold these days.

[humbled_opinion]

50. And just imagine what the margin

would be if her Goldman speech transcripts were in the public domain, her yucking it up with the wall street fat cats ensures Bernie's victory everywhere but you don't care because you are part of the problem, won't hold people to account.... good luck with that... I want people more informed not less.

[beaglelover]

76. I know, right??? Some people are truly becoming delusional!!

[NCTraveler]

2. More people have shown up at the polls to vote for her.

She leads in the delegate count.

It's over!!!!!! Lol

How about we not dismiss that a majority of the people are voting Clinton. I have never seen a group so bent on dismissing the vote.

[morningfog]

3. You should read the article. It serves as a dire warning.

Read past the headline.

[NCTraveler]

6. "Dire warning"

I did read it. I'm not buying the apocalyptic "dire warning" talk. It's normally not reserved for these parts. This has become borderline religious.

[morningfog]

11. You chose to ignore the political realignment at everyone's expense.

[NCTraveler]

18. Not in any way at all.

That is simply you projecting what you want to believe about me.

You cannot get to your position using what I have actually said. That is the exact reason I have been spending less time here.

[Cal33]

64. Have you noticed this?: There are only 11 Southern States, that are almost all the way for

Hillary. Somehow they all vote early. 9 have already voted in the primaries, only 2 are left.
In a few days, all will have voted. This accounts for Hillary's big lead.

There will be no more Southern States left to vote after this coming week, but there will still
be 28 states that have not yet voted - and most of them will be for Sanders -- especially the
really big states!

I'd say Sanders has a mighty good chance of winning!

[NCTraveler]

67. I think you should look at and reassess your position.

Part of it is actually a blatantly false narrative.

[Cal33]

68. Which part ?

[islandmkl]

74. the part, not yet realized, where there somehow become 5 or 10 more states

that will secede from the Union...as long as the demographics match the current 'Old Confederacy' make-up she will be golden...

[Cal33]

88. Well, the only way to be sure is to wait for the results. We'll all have to be

patient and wait.

[Uglystick]

90. North Carolina will deliver more than half of its delegates to Bernie

not Hillary.

Have a nice Tuesday evening.

[NCTraveler]

94. It very well could.

I normally have pretty solid evenings. Thanks. You as well.

[Surya Gayatri]

19. Worthy of the "Creative Speculation (Group)"

[Nitram]

40. Yes, it has indeed become borderline religious.

It's hard to reason with religious fanatics.

[SCantiGOP]

61. I wouldn't compare it to religious

Reminds me more of the cults of personality like you see around Stalin, the Kim boys in North Korea, and various dictators around the world.

[Nitram]

62. Yes, definitely a cult of personality.

But not to be compared to the totalitarians you list. But it totally explains the unhinged anti-Clinton rhetoric.

[bigtree]

7. this two-time Connecticut loser?

...he's supposed to be taken seriously? What the heck does he know about winning an election?

He's all breathless over winning 2% more of the vote than Hillary in one state? I can't believe I wasted my time reading that drivel.

[morningfog]

10. It's not about winning the election. Did you read it?

[seekthetruth]

63. And your candidate supports fracking....

...case closed.

[NCTraveler]

66. Some of the articles have been classic. Nt

[Gwhittey]

15. No want

[bigtree]

4. and the one with less people voting for him is supposed to represent a 'movement'

...or a revolution.

It just get more absurd everyday.

[Gary 50]

44. You deny it's a movement?

With the entire Democratic party establishment behind her, with the media solidly in her corner, with early polls showing her ahead by huge margins she is now in a virtual tie with Bernie. And Bernie is still gaining on her. She is a terrible candidate running an awful campaign where the more exposure she gets the less people like or trust her. Bernie's revolution is real. The status quo is being challenged and it is our only hope of real change. If you are thrilled with the abysmal corruption of the current system then by all means support Hillary. If you want a chance for a better country and a better world Bernie is your man. And please don't fall for the bullcrap that Bernie won't be able to accomplish his goals, that he is shooting for the moon. No one expects the Republicans to roll over and support his efforts to end the corruption, warmongering, and class warfare from the one percent. It will be a long process with incremental gains but at least we will have someone fighting for us instead of someone who is comfortable with and wants to preserve the system we now suffer under.

[A Simple Game]

36. Let me fix your post for you.

You said:

How about we not dismiss that a majority of the people are voting Clinton.

When you should have said: How about we not dismiss that a majority of the people had voted Clinton.

Assumptions about the future can end up being embarrassing.

[bullimiami]

5. Silly article.

[morningfog]

14. Untrue. It is an important commentary on our fascist March.

[Maedhros]

101. Silly poster.

/ignore.

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Yes, he only has to win another 65 more states by 1.5% to overtake her in the delegate race

[randome]

12. We'll need a new flag for those 65 stars!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[morningfog]

16. Actually he needs only 54% of remaining pledged delegates.

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. In Michigan, he earned less than 53% of the pledged delegates

[morningfog]

22. No shit!

[HillareeeHillaraah]

25. And she only needs 46%

[morningfog]

27. Yep. As has been the case since the beginning, she has the advantage.

But her southern state well is quickly running dry.

[Stuckinthebush]

103. Best post of the day!

Ah....Sanders math. It's precious!

[reformist2]

107. You like these un-democratic rules?! They will never stand if Bernie is ahead w/elected delegates

If the Democrats let "super-delegates" decide the race, the party will self destruct.

[Freddie Stubbs]

122. The 54% figure is what Sanders has to earn to get a majority of pledged delegates

If he can't do that, the whole superdelegate argument will be moot.

[daleanime]

9. K&R....

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

13. My favorite line from the article

With her Super PAC (and hers and Bill’s breathtaking haul of $153 million in mostly corporate speaking fees), she is the living avatar of pay to play politics. She shouldn’t be the Democratic nominee for president because she doesn’t even know it’s wrong.

[Merryland]

30. That is the disturbing thing about Clinton -

she is almost in a parallel universe to Bernie where integrity is concerned.

[Nitram]

43. When the GOP candidates are funded by super PACs, and we know we MUST win this election,

...fighting fire with fire is both fair and ethical. Once we have a democratic president in office, that person will appoint justices who will overturn Citizens United. It's that simple.

[Fronkonsteen]

55. Agreed. We have to destroy democracy in order to save it.

/sarcasm

[Nitram]

59. Yes, I recognize that old Vietnam chestnut. Always a good one.

Citizens United is the law of the land in this democracy. The only way to overturn it is to win the election. If Clinton's strategy is wrong and Bernie wins, more power to him!

[LeFleur1]

69. Has The Congress Ever Overturned a Supreme Court Decision?

I really don't know. I'll have to google it.

I do know an amendment is passed by Congress then sent to states. It isn't an easy process. That's why we don't have a women's rights amendment. It went through that process and didn't pass.

After Congress, this is the next step for an amendment.

A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States). When the OFR verifies that it has received the required number of authenticated ratification documents, it drafts a formal proclamation for the Archivist to certify that the amendment is valid and has become part of the Constitution. This certification is published in the Federal Register and U.S. Statutes at Large and serves as official notice to the Congress and to the Nation that the amendment process has been completed.

No waving of a wand, no matter what Bernie tells you.

I found that Congress has overturned 10 cases. It isn't an easy thing, and right now it would be impossible. If the young people continue to stay home when Senators and Representatives are being elected as they did last election, there is no hope. And unless there is something free in it for them, I doubt they'll show up.

[Nitram]

71. Not Congress. The Supreme Court.

There will be 2-3 more openings on the court over the next 8 years.

[Peace Patriot]

116. "unless there is something free in it for (young people), I doubt they'll show up."

Try insulting some voters! Geez. Hillary supporters are so-o-o-o tone deaf!

Bernie Sanders IS overthrowing "Citizens United" right now, by his no-superpac, no corporate or bilionnaire money method of fundraising. $27 x 5,000,000 'little people.'

Especially if he wins the presidency, but even if he doesn't, his actions (which speak way louder than words) have already started to de-legitimize filthy campaign contributions.

Could be, by the time this ever comes to legal action, such as an amendment, the issue will already be settled because the American people will have started rejecting filthy campaign contribution candidates in a big way.

Several other democratizing measures are in order, and will help (short of an amendment and perhaps in coordination with an amendment movement): public funding of campaigns, use of public radio/TV for campaigning time for all candidates (instead of this resource wasting our time pushing Corporate candidates); get rid of jerrymandering; restore the Voting Rights Act (and make it stronger); end voter purges and voter ID laws that hurt the poor; national holiday for elections--and more.

Lots to do--none of which Clinton will even try to do, but all of which Sanders will work hard for, using the "bully pulpit" and every other tool of the President.

And stop shitting on young people!

[Locrian]

83. my favorite line

There’s a name for the bipartisan consensus of party elites: neoliberalism. It is an inconvenient name for many reasons but mostly because it seems odd that the worldview of the Republican elite would be an ideology with the root word ‘liberal’ in its name but it is true, nonetheless. and may even shed a little light on the open, bitter breach between GOP elites and the party base. Democrats stayed loyal longer to their elites for two reasons. One is their love of two very talented politicians, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, whose charm and verbal dexterity masked deep differences with the base. The other is their fear of Republicans.

nails it.

[beaglelover]

17. Hillary is winning in pledged delegates and votes. It's not over by a long shot. Bernie will not

be the nominee for the Democrat party.

[morningfog]

21. And that is not the point of the article. Too bad people can't read beyond the headline.

[11 Bravo]

26. Jury results:

(I was juror #2, and would respectfully request that henceforth you refer to my party by its proper name.)

On Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:05 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary is winning in pledged delegates and votes. It's not over by a long shot. Bernie will not
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1461076

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Democrat party????

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:10 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously?
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[ieoeja]

65. A year ago "Democrat Party" was almost a guaranteed hide. n/t

[arcane1]

81. "Democrat party"?

Your mask is slipping

[beaglelover]

87. It was a typo. Get over it.

[Goblinmonger]

91. Typo?

So instead of typing "ic" you typed " "?

Sure.

[jham123]

95. I'm so confused

what did you write that was offensive?

[beaglelover]

106. Beats me. There are some VERY sensitive types on this board I guess.

[Peace Patriot]

117. beaglelover wrote "Democrat Party" which is a Rush Limbaugh usage...

...also used by many rightwingers to take the "democracy" out of the Democratic Party.

And this is why I am almost always against "hiding" posts and "banning" posters.

This was probably a typo, but it alerts me to the possibility that this poster is an RW troll. If "hidden" or "banned," I probably wouldn't have seen it. There are other tells and attitudes and ways of writing/speaking that can reveal a poster's true views. Some are more obvious than others. Good to be on alert for them so you don't get conned, or disrupted, or succumb to divisiveness instigated by a troll--i.e., insincere and chaos-producing poster, usually using short, hit 'n' run posts, to frustrate reasonable and informative discussion).

[dana_b]

98. and Hillary will never be President n/t

[Punkingal]

108. There is no "Democrat" party. It is the "Democratic" party.

[Trust Buster]

23. He won one Midwestern state by 2 percentage points !!!!!!

Hillary has attracted 1 million more votes than Sanders. But, go ahead, rest on your laurels. I like that.

[morningfog]

32. She, as she has a habit of doing, blew a 20 point lead.

This time in a manner of days.

[dana_b]

100. if Hillary had done that, they'd be

demanding that Bernie drop out.

[timmymoff]

58. Is Minnesota midwestern?

wasn't Iowa a tie? In what region are Nebraska and Kansas?

[Goblinmonger]

92. Apparently the midwest is just Michigan.

You didn't get the memo?

[HillareeeHillaraah]

24. Elections aren't won by who has the most scathing articles written against their opponent

Or who has the most likes on Facebook.

Quaint as it may seem, elections are won by individuals voting and as a result, delegates awarded.

Who has the most votes: Clinton
Who has the most awarded delegates: Clinton

Party elites didn't do that. MSNBC didn't control that. Regular people from all sized towns did. They looked at what Clinton had to say versus what Sanders did, and pulled the level for her.

Michigan wasn't the greatest political upset ever. Michigan was one of the greatest POLLING missteps ever.

1.5% in Michigan doesn't equal a national win.

Have a pleasant morning.

[artyteacher]

29. yeah that. she's still 93% favored to win...

On predictwise.

[Uglystick]

34. and rapidly dropping.

Clinton's performance in Miami was horrible.

[artyteacher]

35. no, its been very steady...

At over 90% for a while now.

Predictwise.com

[Maedhros]

102. The American electorate generally comprises low-information voters

who vote for the candidate they have been groomed to like by the media. The Party establishment and the media have unequivocally boosted coverage of Hillary and suppressed that of Bernie. This is obvious to even the most casual observer.

An informed electorate is waking up, and they don't like what they see so they aren't voting for her.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

109. If only people were smart enough

They'd know to vote for Bernie.

I don't buy it but we are each entitled to our opinion.

Good luck to your candidate.

[Maedhros]

115. If only people were smart enough to VOTE ON THE ISSUES rather than for a PERSONA.

Hillary's campaign is based on identity politics. How else to explain how ostensible "liberals" who claim to be anti-war and to despise Citizen's United will line up to support a candidate soaked in Wall Street money and Iraqi blood?

[jonestonesusa]

28. This OP is spot on.

Sanders' wins in Michigan, Minnesota, Colorado, and yes, Vermont demonstrate that his campaign is generating enthusiasm from many, many voters. The sold out mainstream media can't stand it, and Wall Street is freaking out, who will they pay now to get their lackeys appointed to mind the public treasury? Small donors financing a competitive campaign rather than fat cats and PACS doing the deciding. Instead of neoliberal pablum, a conversation about issues of economic justice, exactly as the OP states. What a breath of fresh air for the national Democratic party and the limousine liberals on TV to see and hear what a real progressive campaign looks like!!

[Hoyt]

31. Ga Tech beat top 10 team Virginia this year, yet GT still ain't going to the NCAA Tournament.

[morningfog]

33. Why do people comment only on the headline?

[jonestonesusa]

38. Because they are conditioned to focus only on the horse race.

The lack of attention to the issues beyond the shirts and skins mentally of cheering in a horse race has helped dig the hole that we are all in. That's one of the things I like best about Sanders, who has run an issue focused campaign that dares to challenge the worn out solutions of supply side tax cuts, global trade and deregulation. At the end of the day, if we win with the status quo candidate, surprise surprise you get the status quo, at best.

[Nitram]

39. People comment only on the headline because the headlines on DU are usually...

...chosen with a political effect in mind. If you want people to comment on an article, I'd suggest using a neutral and objective headline. Posting a controversial headline will get the intended reaction.

[morningfog]

49. It's not my OP, but it is the headline of the article as it appeared. I think it is just laziness.

[Nitram]

37. "Prop her up"? Please.

Clinton is well ahead on delegates even when super delegates are removed from the equation. If and when Bernie gets ahead, super delegates may well decide to support Sanders instead of Clinton.

[pdsimdars]

41. Nice to see the "smug" so early this morning. You go girls!

[1norcal]

42. Excellent Summary

Well done shawn703, thanks.

[treestar]

45. lol

[avaistheone1]

47. k&r

[book_worm]

48. Nonsense--One win doesn't mean it's over.

[noamnety]

51. Obama had the votes to raise the minimum wage!

From the article people don't want to read:

"I often talk to Democrats who don’t know Obama chose not to raise the minimum wage as president even though he had the votes for it; that he was willing to cut Medicare and Social Security and chose not to prosecute Wall Street crimes or pursue ethics reforms in government. They don’t know he dropped the public option or the aid he promised homeowners victimized by mortgage lenders. They don’t know and don’t want to know. "

[coyote]

52. I love this sentence

"If Democratic voters really use their heads, they’ll see through the tactical arguments just like the voters of Michigan did — and then walk into voting booths all over America and vote their hearts. Then there will be change."

[SoapBox]

54. Exactly.

[OkSustainAg]

53. We stand here

at the brink of the turning of the tide. Bernie will be the nominee.

[DinahMoeHum]

56. Help make this reality and kick DWS out of Congress. . .

. . .by supporting her primary opponent:

https://timcanova.com/

https://www.facebook.com/TimCanovaForCongress/

[liberalnarb]

57. Problem is she still got more delegates out of Michigan

[MineralMan]

60. Why should it? Hillary Clinton still has a substantial

lead, both in pledged delegates and the popular vote. That Salon writer is overstating the situation a great deal.

Now, it's possible that Senator Sanders will win the nomination. Just possible. He still has much to overcome, though, before he does that.

Lots of stuff is being written by pundits who want a specific outcome. That does not mean they're correct in their assessments. The primary race continues apace. We'll know more after next Tuesday.

Right now, though, candidate Clinton has a good lead, despite having lost Michigan by a 1.5% margin. Keep watching.

[randome]

70. Look, it's simple, MM. Pundits are more important than voters! Sheesh!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[MineralMan]

72. Damn! I'm always forgetting that...

On a similar subject, I'm always surprised when people conflate editorial opinion pieces in the media as the opinion of the media outlet itself. We see that here a lot.

{MEDIA SOURCE} SAYS HILLARY LIED!!!11!

Then, when you go to the website, it turns out that some guest editorial writer said something like that, without ever using the word "lied." But, then, most people don't bother to follow links, I guess.

[AgingAmerican]

73. All the kings horses and all the kings men

She doesn't have the popular vote. She polls behind every Republican.

[MineralMan]

77. In the primaries she does have a strong majority of it at this point.

Clinton, Hillary Diane Rodham 5,021,902 58.78%
Sanders, Bernard "Bernie" 3,375,457 39.51%

Source: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

The General Election information is premature. Until there are actual nominees for both parties, such polling is useless. We can start paying attention to that after the convention. Until then, we have a primary race underway. That's the only thing people are voting on right now. You can see the popular voting results for that above. (Note: Some caucus states do not report individual voting numbers)

[AgingAmerican]

78. There is no popular vote in the primaries

She struggles outside of Dixie

[MineralMan]

79. We shall see, as more primaries are held.

At this point, she has a strong lead. Until more primaries are held, I can't predict whether that will hold. We will find out, though, won't we? There are votes being recorded. They are about at the same percentages as the delegate count, which is to be expected, since pledged delegates are allocated according to the votes. The popular vote matters in the primaries, too.

[Beaverhausen]

113. Every poll I see shows her beating Trump, and most show her beating Cruz and Rubio

can you show me the polls you are looking at?

[beaglelover]

75. Michigan Miracle???? Jesus Christ. He won by less than 2%. Get over yourselves!!

This is really getting ridiculous.

[Goblinmonger]

93. So if Clinton came back from a 20% deficit in polling

to win by 2%, you'd just shrug your shoulders?

It's momentum

[beaglelover]

105. I would not call it a freakin' miracle. That's for sure.

[Peace Patriot]

119. I was conned by the polls. Thought Sanders was going to lose, big, in MI.

Didn't have faith in the voters to figure things out, I guess.

But they said TWENTY POINTS DOWN. Though Sanders has overcome such predictions time and again, still, a lot was at stake with this one--the momentum of Sanders' campaign.

I approached following the returns in an anxious and depressed state of mind. Thought the Corporate Media and Wall Street and the MIC would surely win this time, the bastards, with all their disinformation. I imagine a lot of other Sanders supporters felt that way as the returns started coming in...

Then, all I can say is that what happened FELT LIKE a miracle. I couldn't believe my eyes! I kept re-reading the returns!

Holy Toledo, we WON Michigan! We frigging WON IT!

The wrongness of the polls certainly contributed to this malaise/miracle feeling. But also, I was thinking, there is no way a candidate like Bernie Sanders--whom I believe really and truly represents the vast majority of Americans--can win in these circumstances: the party itself rigged against him, with no policy of fair play whatsoever in our own party, the Corporate Media black-holing him time and again, the entire transglobal uber-rich elite pouring money into her coffers, the use of dirty player David Brock, and on and on. How can he win?

Well, he just keeps doing it.

It is no wonder at all that he is "behind." Look at the handicaps he's been campaigning under! To me, it's a miracle that he's gotten this far. He's still viable. Wow! And his popularity just keeps going up. He has no negatives, and no "baggage," as they say. He's a quite straightforward, honest man. His "honesty and trustworthy" polls are extremely high. In national polls, he's beating Trump by twice the % that Clinton is. And Clinton's "honesty and trustworthy" polls are very, very low.

What does that tell us? It tells us that the Democratic Party establishment is trying to block the candidate who has the best chance of winning in November. So it's not just delegate counts or vote counts that are important right now--especially since Clinton's come mostly from far rightwing states. It's more, how far will our own party establishment go--in collusion with Big Media and Big Money--to block the non-establishment candidate who can win?

It is NOT a fair fight. But Sanders is winning anyway.

He won Michigan DESPITE all the handicaps. And it was not really a "miracle." It was an awakening of the voters to the actual policy content of the campaign, and to Clinton's unwholesome ties and Sanders' freedom from such ties. His success is based on real things--things that matter to us all. Her success thus far is largely based on a rigged system--money she shouldn't have taken and shouldn't be using, party leaders who are also taking dirty money, the clear bias of the DNC and state parties, the flabby brains of our political punditry, a Corporate media narrative that she was "inevitable," name recognition and gender bias.

As a 70 year old woman (and lifelong Democrat), I can understand the gender bias. But it doesn't sway me. Sanders will be far better for the majority of women. Anyway, that's how I see it. The Sanders campaign couldn't be done. And yet it IS being done. Maybe "miracle" IS the right word for it.

[beaglelover]

120. Thank you for the thoughtful post.

[dana_b]

99. According to the polls he was something like 20 points down!!

You all expected him to cave after Super Tuesday!!

Get over YOURSELF!!

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

80. Bill Curry has provided the best commentary I've seen at describing...

...what is happening in the Dem primary and in across America in general (a populist awakening).

Instead of a regurgitation of punditry talking points his keen insights are refreshing. While the punditry continues their out of step talking points... the electorate is moving on.

[BernieforPres2016]

89. Yes, Curry is writing the best analysis on this election that I have seen

I have seen a couple of other columns by him that are as good as this one.

[arcane1]

82. "On these issues we find the elites of both parties shockingly alike."

[Octafish]

84. Hedging bets, like.

A cartoon from just before the First World War:



As long as the rich keep getting richer...

[arcane1]

85. "Nominate the most progressive candidate who will secretly bargain for us"

This damn sure wouldn't be the first time!

[Arugula Latte]

86. Whatever happens, in the future the DNC had damn well never try to shove a horrible, lying,

corrupt corporatist DINO candidate like Hillary down our throats again.

[senz]

96. You wrote what I only think, A.L.

All of it.

The sense of this person being, literally, shoved at us -- shoved by the corporate media, shoved by sold-out commentators, and shoved, hourly, by her pushers here. For me, it elicits a strong gut sense of, "Ick. Please get this away from me."

"Horrible" goes through my mind with everything I see and hear of this person.

"Lying" is the norm, like breathing. It's so normal, it almost doesn't register anymore.

"Corrupt" is perhaps the core, the very center, of what's wrong.

"Corporatist" is her proven, lived, undeniable ideology.

And DINO almost goes without saying at this point.

And then there's the message itself: never again. Oh I hope so. This is the message we, as Democrats, need to make very, very, very clear to the DNC: don't ever try this again.

So thank you. (Oh, and say hi to Mt. Rainier for me. Sometimes I miss it, and the lakes, the Sound, the charming hills/districts, the islands.)

[Arugula Latte]

97. Thanks, senz!

I'm closer to Mt. Hood, but get up to Seattle on occasion, so will say hello for you then.

I love the area generally, but yesterday was one of those freaking oppressing non-stop rain days that make me fantasize about moving to the Mohave desert or something. But I'm over it today.

[senz]

111. Ah, yes

I remember Mt. Hood, such a picturesquely smooth, pointed little beauty. We took trips into Oregon to visit a sister attending Reed and a charming hippie aunt who had a farm in Eugene. But I know what you mean about non-stop rain, and always pronounced anything named "Rainier" (mountain, beer, bank) as "rainy-er," and when my company offered the possibility of transferring to a sunnier clime, I jumped at it. But the northwest remains beautiful and special.

Thanks for an excuse to get nostalgic!

[Stuckinthebush]

104. Yeah!

Bargle bargle bargle argh!

[senz]

112. It's a river in Egypt!

[The Midway Rebel]

110. Hard to prop her up after those debates last night too.

Wrong side of history.

[oberliner]

114. Thought for sure this was going to be HA Goodman

Forgot about Bill Curry.

[The River]

118. This Seems Painfully Obvious

"When she tries to distract the base or paper over its differences with elites, voters see through her, even if, in their hearts, they don’t want to."

That explains the intransigence to facts over at Camp W.

[Ivan Kaputski]

121. K & R

[marions ghost]

123. Good article--Excerpts I liked:

She remains woefully out of touch with the public mood in other ways. This week she began telling voters she and Bernie were pals and that it was time to wrap up their little primary so she could focus on the Republicans. As anyone outside her tone deaf campaign could have told her, she came off as entitled, presumptuous and condescending. The voters aren’t done deciding yet. When they are, they’ll let the candidates know.
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When party and press elites parroted her line, it had the same effect on Democrats as Mitt’s anti-Trump speech had on Republicans. When Hillary sweeps vital differences under the rug to be replaced with stale tactical arguments, the reporters are perfect patsies — because all they know are tactics.

In the end, thinking only tactically makes you a bad tactician. When revolution’s in the air-- polls, money and ads mean far less. Reporters who know nothing else can’t conceive how voters choosing among a democratic socialist, a pay-to-play politician and a fascist might pick door number one. They bought Hillary’s myth of inevitability, but as Lawrence of Arabia told Prince Ali in the desert, nothing is written. If Democratic voters really use their heads, they’ll see through the tactical arguments just like the voters of Michigan did — and then walk into voting booths all over America and vote their hearts. Then there will be change.

[FlatBaroque]

124. This sentence..

The fault lines of the new politics are not cultural issues like guns, abortion and same-sex marriage that divide the Democratic and Republican bases

The fault lines are manufactured by the plutocrats. The people agree on most stuff, they just keep being told that they are to hate the other guy because __________________.