2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumwe didn't break any debate rules.....oh, you have a photo? I didn't know that existed.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sanders-campaign-says-this-photo-proves-clinton-broke-rules-during-univision-debate/pangaia
(24,324 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)FBaggins
(26,731 posts)Without the label, she can't be expected to know who she can and can't speak to within the established rules... right?
840high
(17,196 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)would just give the Bernie team a copy of the script, they'd then know how to play along! The Bernie team continues to play as tho they had designs on winning. Silly Socialist!
Requisite for Dummies->
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Is this another Sanders dirty trick?
Weaver should write a letter to the editor.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)OK. Used to be the Democratic party stood for something and it was the Republicans who cheated and their supporters cheered. I guess times and ethics change.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)otherwise why not flat out deny it?
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)"It depends on what the meaning of is is."
That surely will be familiar Clintonian logic to you...
-app
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It can take the form of blame shifting.
According to some research, the projection of one's negative qualities onto others is a common process in everyday life.[2]
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Even though he provides no evidence?
That's a winning argument you've got there
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Sorry, I did not realize I was speaking with someone detached from reality. I'll avoid that mistake in the future.
dchill
(38,481 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)MrChuck
(279 posts)is not the data breach.
First off, that was last year.
Second, the GOP is trying to elect Donald Turnip.
THAT, my friend, is a scandal.
Also Hilldawg is going down due to the email thing. She Mau not be indicted but someone is going to pay and it will stick to her like a booger.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)He will eat her alive, booger and all.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)do I have to mention that DNC officials and a staffer at NGP VAN recommended Josh Uretsky.
?1450545784
Ties that bind...............
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)has learned their lesson, you can't trust the NGP VAN and the DNC................. wonder why after the threat of a lawsuit to reveal the workings of the whole mess the DNC backed off??? Oh and one more reminder that this occurred in 2008 and so many years later NGP VAN still can't do their job correctly, wonder why they are still around???
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Didn't Clinton agree to an investigation on that. Where's the investigation, she lied again.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)She'll look into it, ya right.
snort
(2,334 posts)started receiving Clinton campaign emails afterward?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)We stopped all donations to the DNC, DCCC, and DSCC over 10 years ago and requested we be removed from their lists. We started donating directly to individual candidates, or Liberal Organizations.
THEN, we moved to another state where we have lived with NO communications from the DNC or other national Party fundraising scams for over 10 years....
UNTIL a week and half AFTER the so called data theft.
THEN we started getting mailers and phone calls from Hillary's campaign begging for money.
snort
(2,334 posts)from Hillary Inc. at about the 2 week mark. She never even so much as looked at her website in the past. Hillary has zero integrity.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)NGP VAN does not do their job very well.....or perhaps they do what they are told to do
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)you really have nothing to use against Bernie other than projecting Hillary's faults onto him.
That's the biggest scandal? How do you steal something you're given? Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. This old story died shortly after the DNC/Clinton campaign fabricated it.
Maybe you heard about a possible indictment of a presidential candidate for mishandling of sensitive government information? The "It wasn't marked classified when it was sent" doesn't hold up to the regulations governing the handling of sensitive (not just marked) information. Storing, sending and receiving said information on the equivalent of a Hotmail account just might fall under gross negligence.
Nice summary here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552653
You might also consider the opinions of the cyber security professionals here on DU. They have an in depth knowledge of government protocols for handling information, classified or not.
Marr
(20,317 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Gawd that has had me howlin. Thanks. Needed that.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Scandal, so really what's the issue?
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)This right here is why so many GOP vote for a party that bitches about welfare while mostly being on welfare.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Desperation level: palpable.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Those are for the little people. I am ex-first lady, ex-senator, ex-secretary of state and I am privileged, those rules don't apply to me, plus, with all my experience, I need more help than others, I mean after all, I'm a woman and you are being sexist if you say I can't break this rule. Donald Trump broke the rule and nobody said anything to him about it....I will be president, I will, I will, I will......
artyteacher
(598 posts)Grasp those straws.... Go ahead....
seattleite
(79 posts)It was against debate rules. If you want to accuse someone of grasping at straws, probably best for you to look in a mirror.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)That's her staff....., that's her. with her staff......... that's meeting in the hallway.
Boom ........... caught breaking the agreed upon rules,
caught lying about meeting, game set match..........
When contacted by Henry, Clinton spokeswoman Jen Palmieri responded by saying she didnt know the photo existed.
artyteacher
(598 posts)Or that they even spoke...
Or that anyone cares?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)meh... another boring non issue
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)It's not like voters have an issue with her honesty or anything
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)if Bernie did that.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)it never ends and evidently rules don't apply to her. But the Hillary supporters don't care. As long as she wins!!! Wheeee!!!!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)... is this handy ignore button ...
Oh ... and welcome to DU ....
artyteacher
(598 posts)Ignoring truth and reality. Enjoy your fantasies.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)It is just Hillary cheating and lying. We should be used to that by now and just accept the fact that her behavior just projects her values. No news here.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)... I think there are other things the Sanders camp can be focusing on. This looks petty. Yeah she's an elitist cheater, but her policies and alliances are of more concern to the average voter (or should be), than something like this.
JMHO.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)She disregards rules, and she's just plain untrustworthy.
StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)This speaks to a pattern and translates into actions of consequence.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)JBoy
(8,021 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)on Hil..............
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)a long recovery, erectile dysfunction, and a refusal from his cardiac MD to allow him to use Viagra.
Only then was he sure to stop.
Have you seen recent video of him? He looks and sounds as though Charon is waiting around the corner to lead him across the Styx, so Bill can seek Clinton Foundation donations from Hades.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Her Anointed Highness is above all that.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)I bet that's what was really going on.
greymouse
(872 posts)do you have any idea how long it takes a woman dressed like that to get her clothes arranged so she can pee? Ill give her that one.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)was the walk to and from the bathroom. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but now I wonder if her staff was able to walk and talk with her during that time.
Once a person has documented proof of cheating during a break, it calls into question what happened during previous breaks. That's the thing about losing your integrity - it makes people doubt your other actions as well.
Ino
(3,366 posts)so I don't think it was her clothes.
NJCher
(35,661 posts)If you recall, was due to someone else being the bathroom. Hillary will not go to the bathroom with someone else in the room. That is why it took longer.
Craig Hulett (I'm not a fan) said she was known in the White House to have told people to not be in corridors when she walked through them. If you were there, you had to duck into an office, room off the corridor, or cross-corridor. She apparently wanted those corridors all to herself.
Not vouching for the veracity of this; just telling what I heard on a radio program.
However, the two incidents do seem to mesh. She seems to like her space.
Cher
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)theorists think she should walk to the rest/dressing room by herself in a deserted cement hallway.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)It should be an easy thing to say she didn't meet with her staff during a break.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)hallway by himself? I don't.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)N
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Ya, about a "stride" ahead.
Point was she shouldn't have been with anyone of her staff.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)deal to anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist. It wouldn't bother me if Clinton and Sanders were getting oxygen or IV fluids, or conferring with staff. Do you think as Prez they are ever going to make a big decision without staff?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)But what's one more rule broken by "her majesty", right?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Rules are still rules.
As I said in another post; if you pile every tiny Clinton indiscretion one on top of the other, pretty soon you have a mountain.
Therein lies the problem. Pointing out rules infractions isn't tantamount to promoting conspiracy theories, but I'm guessing you already knew that.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Heck I don't play golf, but I bet he kicks the ball out of the rough -- you probably do too if you play.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I just roll it up on top of the nearest clump of grass and play it from there. Then again; I'm not playing in the most important tournament in the world... I'm just playing to see who buys the beer at the 19th Hole.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...she has 24/7 SS protection and they would be with her.
Fail.
artyteacher
(598 posts)Confer .... To have discussions and exchange opinions...
Not walk behind....
And who besides desperate people acting like Republicans care?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Use the correct word on the agreement.
IT SAID CONTACT.......... this is CONTACT.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Ms. Campaign Aide didn't deny that she was with her teams, just that they didn't know there was a picture of it.
No...More...Clintons.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)looks like shes running to the bathroom, and looks like she is not conversing or even on the same walking plain as anyone else.... maybe I'm wrong.....
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)If she is conferring it is by telepathy.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Should be easy to say it didn't happen
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Did she deny conferring with the candidate.. well that picture pretty much proves it..
Did she deny walking behind the candidate?? then you got her.. because she sure as hell is walking behind Clinton quite a ways..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)No denial. No "Hillary walked past us on her way back from the water fountain"....just "there's a picture?"
It's a little thing. A small, simple rule.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)And her staff is trailing behind her.. seriously ..
edit to add
And someone took a picture of it, and Palmeri did not realize a picture had been taken?? seriously
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)It's a simple rule. No meeting with staff during breaks.
If it didn't happen, why didn't Palmieri just say so?
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)So I am sure they (the Clinton staffers) are happy campers someone took a picture of it now since this seems to be a meme going around
And with all the cameras that follow the candidates constantly I don't think that their staffs are probably even aware of cameras going off..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Seems an easy thing to deny....unless they think there might be more pictures
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)They have cameras snapping at them 24/7.. including cell phone cameras which most of us are not aware of.. and I am sure they are so happy someone took this picture..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)HRC met with her staff?
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Easy thing to do
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)The arrogance of Team Wall Street is simply astonishing. Hillary truly believes she cannot be held accountable.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Staff trailing behind her as she went to get a drink of water?? or huddling with your staff.. you know you can't have it both ways.. she was either going for a drink and the staff followed her.. or she was conferring with them.. the picture shows they were following her.. and you know what.. staff do that.. they follow behind..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)It's a simple rule
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)That is what secret service does.. They trail behind the candidates.. no candidate in this part of the race..is ever ever left alone in a public place.. she is not conferring with anyone.. she is walking ahead of them.. this is kind of sad, if this is what the campaigns are devolving too..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Why no denial by her people, who were dutifully, fulfilling her need to be followed
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)as she went for a drink of water.. picture proves it.. glad you put that up there because the meme could have taken off.. thank you who ever did that!! that people follow behind the candidates in public places..whew..now there is news.. that they did not know a picture had been taken.. obviously.. you want her to deny she did not know a picture was taken??? okay..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)to do, since she was there.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)You got her on that.. she did not know a picture was taken.. you got her on that.. she admitted to not knowing pictures were being taken..
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Why?
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)She did not know she had a picture taken of her and the staff and the SS trailing behind the candidate as she went to get a drink.. again.. its that telepathy thingy..
Gotta go Press.. have a good one.. wish I could hang around longer but real life calls me out.. have to buy some groceries for dinner..take care kiddo
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)She either met with her staff, including Palmieri, or she didn't.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Palmieri was there
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Clinton nor her people have said that, so quit trying to ascribe an action just because you think it makes the picture innocuous.
Contact with her people. Contact is the operative word here ... not water. You are flailing here.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)broke the rules, and if you think her staff was not instructing her during that break you are naive. She clearly got an advantage that Sanders did not get.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Her staff and secret service is trailing behind her (as they do everywhere she goes) as she gets a drink of water.. now.. how are they instructing her.. the picture proves they are not... you can't have it both ways.. She is going for a drink of water with staff and SS trailing her.. of she is huddling with staff.. its either one or the other.. thank GOD for the picture I guess since it seems to be the meme of the moment..
polly7
(20,582 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)She wouldn't need to walk somewhere down a hall for a drink of water.
Marr
(20,317 posts)and you'd say she was finding new homes for injured animals.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)so they can excuse HRC's actions, is remarkable
noamnety
(20,234 posts)unless she needs assistance to get a drink of water or use a toilet for some odd reason.
If they're walking with her, the most obvious reason is to do the West Wing talking-while-walking thing.
On the bright side, at least Bill wasn't behind stage using a bullhorn to give her debate tips.
Hekate
(90,667 posts)It's an old and dirty tactic to put words into someone's mouth.
And as you can see, about a hundred DUers are concerned. So concerned.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)... politics is a blood sport.
When you find yourself crying about something this trivial, you might not be cut out for it.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:39 PM - Edit history (1)
without needing to cheat to get help from your staff, you might not be cut out for it.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)God isn't the only iron.
Marr
(20,317 posts)They respect her more for breaking rules and throwing her weight around. They actually like that sort of bullying, alpha shit.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)And now, goodbye ....
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)The real scandal is that she talked to her staff during the break and STILL lost badly.
Oh and Trump broke the same rule? Nice company you're keeping there Hillary.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)Well, she lost badly hmmm, lets see who gets the nomination.....then we can say she/or he lost badly.....
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)1. Deny everything.
2. When evidence emerges, act shocked.
3. make sure your internet support team does their best to muddy the waters with as many red herrings as possible.
4. When absolutely cornered, respond by claiming it was only a minor violation and that Trump did the same thing.
Keep it up, Team Wall Street, and continue to watch your Anointed One lose the race she was "born to win".
Hubris: how does it work again???
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The same Jeff Weaver that said he didn't know the rules of the Iowa Caucus, after the Iowa Caucus.
This just keeps getting better.
And this is the same author who two days ago was talking about how there is no energy around Trump. Two days ago.
He also accused Clinton of cheating in the town hall.
Yet the Sanders campaign is the one we have confirmed is unethically campaigning. Has Weaver(I don't know the caucus rules) released his email communications with Uretsky yet?
Know your "journalist"
http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/09/liberal-politico-reporter-clinton-campaign-collapsing-completely/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/daily-caller-didnt-realize-politico-writer-was-being-sarcastic-about-hillary/
Arkana
(24,347 posts)It just seems like a dumb thing to forbid candidates from.
I mean, you wouldn't forbid a boxer from going back to his corner after the round was over, would you?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)And then break them
You should ask yourself that question.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)instead of dropping into a Hillary v. Bernie tribal crouch, all I meant was "why is this even a rule?" Candidates should be able to talk to their staff during commercial breaks. It's a dumb rule.
If Hillary broke it, that's stupid of her, but that doesn't change the fact that the rule itself is stupid.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Clinton distractions.
There's a reason the Clintons get mired in so many of these things, and it isn't just a 'vast right wing conspiracy'. They both act like rules don't apply to them, and end up forcing everyone around them to provide cover.
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)Then it means I can do it too!
Just wait until that mantra of entitlement sits in the oval office.
Gary 50
(381 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)You're counting? I would have thought that there were a lot more!
Cleita
(75,480 posts)she doesn't have to comply. But what it does point to is her arrogance. She doesn't need to follow rules that she has agreed to. That's for the little people.
Faux pas
(14,672 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)She was getting her ass handed to her.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Don't mess with the Queen on her pre-ordaination tour. After all, she IS the Queen, and no rules apply to her.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)And receiving them at the same time. It's so freaking obvious!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I sure didn't!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)As soon as Trump agrees to stop breaking the rules, Hillary will too!
riversedge
(70,204 posts)believe loves to start false controversial issues. yes, i see your sarcasm.
mac56
(17,566 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Same people who go into an apoplectic rage when Sanders makes a gesture to the moderators.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)to blow off the rules since presidents can do anything...except have marital affairs it seems.
mariawr
(348 posts)The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)And still managed to get her clock cleaned during the debate.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Hekate
(90,667 posts)...that she might have a bodily function to take care of during the commercial break.
Very very concerning. I feel your concern.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Clinton Campaign motto: "Another day, another dirty trick or deception."
David Brock piece later today "Clinton privacy invaded during debate!!! (we've got photos of poor Hillary trying to get away)"
Can you imagine what the media on her running the White House is going to be like with stunts like this? The credibility of the video of her remarks to the press won't be worth the fraction of a penny of disk space it's stored on ... except to comedy shows ridiculing her.