Hillary Clinton: The Reagans, particularly Nancy, helped start "a national conversation" about HIV

[JackBeck]

After ad, conversation on HIV/AIDS begins at 4:10.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/clinton-and-reagan-she-had-a-lot-of-courage-and-grit-642358339895

Complete and utter revisionist bullshit. I think I'm going to vomit.

[hobbit709]

1. WTF?

[AllTooEasy]

47. Unfortunately, Hillary is correct.

I'm not responding to this post to defend Hillary or bash the poster. I'm actually shaming the Democratic party's history and Repuke hypocrisy. Check out Bill Maher's New Rules segment for context:

In addition to Bill's comments about Nancy's friendship with Rock Hudson, Nancy also saw HIV as a threat to her precious son who happened to be gay. I don't believe for one moment that Nancy would have said anything regarding HIV if her precious son or Rock were heterosexual.

The key words are "helped start a conversation". The conversation was already started, but it mostly fell on deaf ears in among Republican and Democratic party elites. I was in high school back then. HIV was universally joked as The Gay Disease. The Democratic party wouldn't touch it. Even the devout Christian Jimmy Carter was absent from the conversation for several years.. Nancy spoke up, and suddenly National Dem Power Elites figured "Well if a Republican cares, then we should too". Yes, Dems were (bigger) chumps on gay rights/challenges than they are now. The situation was pathetic.

Nancy's selfishly motivated, public concern helped. I believe that help is over-exaggerated now. In my humble opinion, Magic Johnson's HIV announcement truly opened eyes on a more massive scale.

[roguevalley]

65. hadn't 40,000 people died of AIDS before he ever said a word? It was nearing the end of his time.

what a bogus steaming pile for HRC to say.

[forest444]

103. Exactly.

If anyone it's Dr. C. Everett Koop, the Surgeon General at the time, who helped "start the national conversation" on the subject of HIV/AIDS - and he did so over Ronald McDonald's objections.

Indeed, Dr. Koop was one of the first Reagan appointees Bush forced out when he took office in 1989.

[AllTooEasy]

113. Dr. Koop didn't have Nancy'a name recognition

...which is truly unfortunate. He shouted and the masses in both parties mostly said "whatever". Nancy spoke up and then HIV became an important issue. Says something (awful) about the mental climate towards gays and HIV at the time.

I'm not defending Nancy. She did it all for purely selfish reasons, and she didn't do enough.

[AllTooEasy]

114. More than 40k!

[forest444]

119. I remember watching 'And the Band Played On' as a kid

(my parents didn't censor me much).

The Reagan administration's attitude toward the AIDS crisis was nothing short of medieval compared to western European countries (and even some in the Third World). All the more so when you take into account the reason for their indifference: i.e. that at the time AIDS was commonly believed to affect only gay men and Haitians.

The Reagan administration's gross negligence toward the AIDS crisis will surely go down in history books in the same way the superstitious hysteria with which Europeans in the Middle Ages responded to the bubonic plague is seen today: as a great human tragedy that snowballed thanks to ignorance and self-righteousness.

[MariaThinks]

70. there are many people who have no empathy. They only care if it happens to them.

Bill Marr is so right.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

121. Which Reagan son is gay? Where do you even get that?

And here:

https://m.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

123. Sorry, she's NOT....

The Reagans ignored the issue even when the AIDS quilt was taking up a big chunk of DC.

They were LATE to "the conversation" and had NOTHING constructive to say. Let's face it, they had people in their camp that considered AIDS to be God's wrath on buggery.

[revbones]

2. Hillary is the queen of revisionism

She's always been a champion of LGBT rights - well, since 2013.

She is against the Colombia Free Trade Agreement - well, she lobbied for it in secret after promising unions she would oppose it.

She fights for Social Security - she's in favor of raising the retirement age.

It goes on and on...

[BillZBubb]

3. Yep, just like Trump starting a national conversation about Mexicans.

Hillary needs to STFU.

[closeupready]

4. What nonsense. Hillary just doesn't know the difference between fact and fiction.

Utterly freaking ridiculous.

[Buddyblazon]

5. Pander much?

Yikes.

[NWCorona]

6. Next Hillary will congratulate Clarence Thomas

For all that his done for us black folks.

Unparalleled pandering

[dragonfly301]

7. She has a serious problem

with reality vs bullshit. Hopefully the voters of our party will be able to smell bullshit a mile away.

[scscholar]

85. Maybe she's speaking relatively?

You know, relative to how much her and her husband did?

[m-lekktor]

8. Human Rights Campaign should be PROUD of their endorsement!

[nichomachus]

18. +1,000

[Attorney in Texas]

28. +1,000,000

[JackBeck]

32. As one the the nation's largest LGBT advocacy groups

HRC barely exhausts any of their political capital or financial resources combating HIV stigma and discrimination, let alone educating the public or political decision makers about prevention, care and treatment.

[m-lekktor]

36. I know all about HRC, JackBeck!

I am not a fan though gay!

on edit: ironic thing about the initials , I usually spell it out when I am discussing the organization so as not to be confused with Hillary!

[JackBeck]

42. I've collaborated with them before on statewide initiatives in both NJ and NY.

Not the easiest folks to work with but when you get their attention they can be quite resourceful. And I'm trying to be VERY diplomatic on what to share about how I feel about the Human Rights Campaign, to be quite honest. I prefer working with The Task Force and Lambda Legal.

[m-lekktor]

44. yeah I can understand.

I am looking at them from a different perspective, not as a knowledgeable insider. My views could be overly harsh. I don't pay as much attention to them as I did in the 90's to be honest.

[ibegurpard]

110. They raise a lot of corporate money though

And ensure the privileged people ensconced in this good jobs have great workplace protections... working class LGBT people? Not so much.

[SamKnause]

9. I am 62.

She is lying.

There is nothing this lady will not lie about.

There is no one she will not pander to.

She is trying to rewrite history.

[JackBeck]

125. One of the fascinating takeaways from this debacle

is seeing how both Clinton and Sanders supporters are calling bullshit on her apology. I have witnessed only an insignificant handful of people asking everyone to move along after her ridiculous attempt at an apology.

My hope is that this generates a new conversation about HIV/AIDS. But anyone who is giving the Secretary a pass on this, especially after her so-called apology, is embarrassing themselves.

[SamKnause]

126. Thanks for your input.

[DURHAM D]

10. It is a true statement but it was so damn late.

So, f the Reagans.

What I think is funny is that Hillary is wearing pants given that Nancy did not allow the women working in the WH to do so. So that is Hillary's f you to Nancy.

[SCantiGOP]

41. Ronald ignored it, never uttered the word

while he was President.
But everything I have always heard was that Nancy advocated for a more aggressive response.
Not defending her, just stating facts even though they don't fit the "bash Hillary 24/7" theme.

[NurseJackie]

45. Quick Google Search: President Ronald Reagan mentions the word AIDS in public for the first time...

... in response to a reporters questions on September 17, 1985. (He left office in 1989.)

I'd previously believed as you, that he didn't mention it at all during his term in office.

[SCantiGOP]

96. That's what I had always heard

So only in response to a question, so he was avoiding the subject.
I remember at the time they thought male gay sex and needles were the only possible means of transmission. Old 'Life' magazine did a feature where they put the photos of a couple of hundred people who had died over a period of time from AIDS. There were infants and a nun in the gallery, as well as a lot of other people who had contracted it by blood transfusions. That changed the narrative immediately - it was no longer a disease that could be avoided by not engaging in what conventional morality considered 'sinful' activity.

I had a cousin who died of AIDS in the mid-80s, and he was an aide to Republican Senator Steom Thurmond. His story in the SC papers caused quite a sensation.

[bigwillq]

11. The Reagans all but ignored HIV/AIDS

Mrs. Clinton, once again, is full of crap. Go away, Hillary. Go away.

[kath]

12. Oh. My. Fucking. God. What a lie.

[JFKDem62]

13. After all the damage the Regans did to this country, their canonization is nauseating. nt

[nichomachus]

14. In the same sense that Hillary started a national conversation about

Giving $200,000 speeches to Wall Street.

But we'll know more when we see the transcripts. Any day now.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. What?? AIDS was completely ignored during the Reagan admin.

Why in the world would Hillary claim the Reagans "started a national conversation" about AIDS, or for that matter, ever did anything about it? One of the worst scandals of the Reagan years (and there were many) was the way AIDS was disregarded as a serious epidemic. Did Hillary not remember that at all?

[liberal_at_heart]

16. Hundreds of thousands die while Reagan denied it was happening and he and

Nancy helped start a national conversation?

Why do some Democrats have such an obsession with Reagan? Why do they love him so much? Oh, wait. I think I know. Because he helped them get rich.

[bunnies]

17. By doing nothing while people DIED?

Fuck that.

[VulgarPoet]

19. ...The hell is this tripe?

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Thanks for your last sentence

For a second there I was like -

Did someone actually post this outright horse shit at DU?!?

Ronnie caused the death of so many people by his refusal to act and marginalization of the homosexual community. His own hatred when that 'marriage' started with his first wife walking in on him getting a hummer from Nancy - his mr goodie two shoes act - he caused people's preventable deaths.

If it had been straight men getting aids from golf clubs and fishing poles - rest assured we would have known how it was contracted and getting the message out to America on how to prevent it.

[NurseJackie]

21. People often say kind and flattering things about the recently deceased ...

... and that reminds me of an old joke where the minister is giving the eulogy and says "John was a good man who loved his community. He was respected by all and will be greatly missed." A man seated in the back of the chapel leans toward his wife and whispers in her ear "Honey, are you sure we're at the right funeral?"

[closeupready]

23. How many of your friends, NurseJackie, from the 80's died of AIDS?

[Armstead]

24. but a lie of thar scale is not necesary

That goes beyond a little white lie...

but perhaps it's a congenital habit

[Amimnoch]

76. NurseJackie we've been allies throughout this season. Please don't try to justify this one.

[NurseJackie]

84. Please don't make a mountain out of a molehill. She's already said she's sorry. Move on.

Or... join in with the hysterical over-the-top outrage. Does this mean you'll stop supporting Hillary and join the Sanders camp?

Do whatever you feel is best. I'm not going to argue with you.

Goodbye.

[Amimnoch]

93. This isn't a molehill for me.

Just for some context:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1137&pid=46909

[NurseJackie]

94. Well ... do as you must.

Goodbye.

[EndElectoral]

22. Read the truth, not the revisionist bullshit from Hillary.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy

The first lady who looked away: Nancy and the Reagans' troubling Aids legacy
by Maria L La Ganga

Dr Marcus Conant got a closeup view of the Reagan administration’s beliefs about Aids and the gay community, not once, not twice, but three times. Conant, who is a clinical professor of dermatology emeritus at UC San Francisco, was one of the first physicians to diagnose and treat Aids.

His first bird’s-eye view was a 1983 meeting about the Aids epidemic in Washington DC, with the White House liaison for medical care. Conant and his colleagues “were going on and on about how this was a disease, an infectious disease”, he recalled. Reagan’s representative wasn’t buying it.

“Her response was [that] this was a legal problem, not a medical problem,” Conant said. Simply because of who gay men with Aids were and who their sexual partners were, she told him, “these people were breaking the law”.

...

Around 1987, Conant wrote to the president. By that time, about 21,000 people had died of the epidemic in the United States alone

This is more or less how Conant remembers his letter: “Dear President Reagan, I have all these patients and they are dying and no one’s doing anything. It is incumbent on your administration to direct the Centers for Disease Control and National Institutes of Health to begin efforts to find the cause and treatment for this disease.”

Reagan wrote a letter back, Conant recounted: “It said, quote, ‘Nancy and I thank you for your support’.”

...

This doesn't even address Rock Hudson's direct request to old friend Nancy for help as he was dying. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but when they are trying to canonize Nancy I'm tired of the bullshit.

[elehhhhna]

25. liars be lying

Seriously full of shit, that HRC is

[elehhhhna]

26. and Bill started a national convo on blow jobs at work

[FailureToCommunicate]

58. Well, except that statement is

actually true, unlike Hillary's about Clueless Nancy leading the charge to cure HIV/aids

[Kalidurga]

106. Oh yes he did

[deathrind]

27. Total fabrication by HRC... wow.

[dana_b]

29. When AIDS Was Funny:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/reagan-administration-response-to-aids-crisis

Just listen to them laugh and laugh. It's beyond disgusting and very chilling.

[noamnety]

95. That almost made me cry.

(one family member lost to AIDS here)

[Herman4747]

30. Incredible!!! And yet again she doesn't even have to lie...

...she just does it since it's her nature.

[Merryland]

55. her unnatural nature. she is so faux it's crazy.

[Herman4747]

81. "unnatural nature" -- I'll have to remember that one.

And yes, she is definitely faux, with a face manufactured for whoever she's speaking to.
Her smile particularly upsets me -- it comes so readily, and seems so fake.
Bernie doesn't seem to smile nearly as often (his mind on the problems the country faces), but when he does smile, you know it's sincere.

[Doctor_J]

31. I think the president got some political capital by praising Reagan 8 years ago

at least among conservatives and other Reagan democrats. HRC is probably trying to con that same group.

[Arazi]

33. And forever losing us, her "base" presumably

She really obviously doesn't give a shit about us and is presuming we're all going to fall in line and vote for her if she's the nominee

[Avalux]

34. Oh FUCK NO!!!!!

I was there, on the front lines, working with HIV positive patients. Fuck her, and fuck the Reagans for their fear-mongering.

[BernieforPres2016]

35. I'm not surprised, Bill did a stirring eulogy for Nixon during his first term

And Bill and Hillary are buddies with Henry Kissinger and George W. Bush.

I understand that Hillary and other politicians should be respectful of Nancy Reagan after she passed away, but there are plenty of nice things one can say about her without crossing over into historical revisionism.

[suffragette]

37. This is the worst type of revisionist bull. Here's the full quote:

http://gawker.com/hillary-clintons-reagan-aids-revisionism-is-shocking-i-1764346878

“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan, in particular, Mrs. Reagan, we started national conversation when before no one would talk about it, no one wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that really appreciated, with her very effective, low-key advocacy, but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say ‘Hey, we have to do something about this too.’”



As the article at Gawker notes, and as many of us remember, the Reagans studiously ignored the deadly plight of so many people.

I attended funerals of friends who were stricken down all too soon by AIDS.

I will not let this revisionist garbage pass.

[liberal_at_heart]

38. Well last week she said she would be open to limiting third tri abortions. Now

she is dishonoring the brave fight that so many went through trying to get that asshole to recognize and fight AIDS. So, Hillary fans tell us again why we have to vote for Hillary.

[mattvermont]

39. how does this bullshit help her?

There is not a person still alive who has experienced the tragedy of this disease that believe that tripe. Hundreds of thousands could have been saved with real action by Raygun at the beginning. Those who do not know anything about that time could likely (sadly) care less one way or the other. So how does this help her? Perhaps there is a significant number of younger folks who have not been properly educated about the history of this genocide.

[winter is coming]

56. But younger voters skew towards Bernie.

So the people she's most likely to alienate with this shameless lie are the ones in an age demographic that was more likely to support her. Well played, Madame Secretary.

[Zen Democrat]

40. What an egregious lie.

[Autumn]

43. In which universe was that?

That's a fucking offensive lie.

[JackBeck]

46. Clinton apologizes:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/708403247795539968

[AlbertCat]

52. Did she get stem cell research mixed up with AIDS?

Coulda happened to anyone..... right?

[suffragette]

63. No. She specifically said "the other point I want to make" before bringing up AIDS.

And she had already been discussing Nancy supporting Alzheimer's research and stem cell at length.

This was no mix up.

[AlbertCat]

124. This was no mix up.

I don't think it shows she is clueless or uninformed.

I think it shows she just talks and doesn't even feel what she's saying. It's just words that come out of her mouth. Who knows what she's thinking or wants to do.... or stands for?

[TM99]

53. You will notice she simply misspoke.

Fucking liar! She didn't misspeak. She made a paragraph long false statement. She can't even apologize for this.

[NurseJackie]

54. The hot-ball-o-fire outrage will continue for at least another week.

People are funny that way.

[Puglover]

59. How many friends did you lose Nurse Jackie?

I lost 13.

How not surprising you would find it worth of a .

Just ugh. Really.

[JackBeck]

61. Disgusting. The lack of empathy is hurtful, but in a way strengthens my resolve.

[NurseJackie]

62. I see misdirected anger to the silly extreme.

[Puglover]

64. Nice try.

But hey, you´re a perfect example of a Hillary supporter. I´ll give you that.

Congrats.

[NurseJackie]

68. Enjoy your outrage. I'll just be over here watching.

But hey, you´re a perfect example of a Hillary supporter. I´ll give you that.

[Puglover]

69. Nice try again.

Who´s ¨outraged¨?

I´m sitting in paradise sipping a glass of wine and watching the sun set behind my mountain.

To be clear, I find your usage of about or near the subject of a plague that wiped out a generation of people utterly loathsome.

Hillary´s ¨misspeak¨. Not so much. Par for the course for your candidate.

[NurseJackie]

72. "About or near" HA!!! :-P

I find the overreactions amusing, they are (as you say) par for the course. But you'll just have to continue find me loathsome and berate anyone who disagrees with you. (It's fun, isn't it?)

Fact of the matter is, you're just an anonymous person on the internet and it really doesn't matter what you think of me or what insults you want to hurl in my direction. Here's how much I care:

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. You laughing about a horrible disease speaks far more about YOU

than anything else. I just hope that is a monicker and not a real professional affiliation. I say that as a former paramedic who did practice during the height of the epidemic and transported more than one AIDS patient to the ER... I truly loved those with AIDS, complications such as Antibiotic resistant TB and starvation brought by the disease. Those were very hard patients to handle clinically, and they needed EMPATHY and SUPPORT... I hope you never have been there, because your laughter... is telling.

For the record, in the beginning there was a real fear among medical providers, but since you are laughing about it, I suppose you were not around then to know about that. Shit, we had to get used to universal body fluid precautions like gloving with every patient, and also explaining to patients WHY we were doing that.

have a wonderful day and at this point, I am going to point at you and call your LACK OF EMPATHY. After somebody asks you if you knew somebody who died. the least humane response you could reach for was laughter.

[ibegurpard]

92. I lost my best friend

In 1998
It was fucking hilarious...

[Puglover]

100. I'm sorry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. My condolensces on your loss

I know it hurts even how,

[ibegurpard]

116. thank you

He was the most beautiful man I've ever known (and not necessarily physically). He had a forceful charisma that mezmerized a room when he would walk in. I worshipped him and envied him. He was my mentor. We weren't living in the same city at the time but I am grateful I got to see him one last time a few months before he died. A mutual friend called to tell me he had died that summer. I cried myself to sleep. He was buried in our hometown and had his funeral at a church he never went to. I couldn't be there nor could most of the friends that knew him best. I think of him often to this day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. This is a rabbi I know locally speaking

He still lives, in the hearts of his friends and those who loved him.

[ibegurpard]

118. It's true

[JackBeck]

60. As it should. n/t

[NurseJackie]

66. Well, ya'll have fun now. :-P

[myrna minx]

80. You think this is funny? Jesus Christ. How many people you loved

die from HIV/AIDS in the 80s? It was devastating, and the Reagans were SILENT while our brothers and sisters were dying! but mock away. Your post made me sick.

[Waiting For Everyman]

102. What an asinine thing to say!

Wow. Check you out.

[hatrack]

78. "Mis-spoke"?

Fuck that.

FUCK THAT.

[AlbertCat]

48. Great!

Another "liberal" who admires Reagan. Just what we need.

Does she mean a conversation about how gays and addict deserved it so ignore it?

[SheilaT]

49. No they didn't.

They took the "If we ignore it, it will go away approach" for a criminally long time.

Even Rock Hudson's diagnosis didn't move them.

[MrJefe]

50. So how long will it take

before she gives credit to Trump for helping start a national conversation about racism?

[FlatBaroque]

51. THANK YOU HILLARY!! Please, keep talking

you just grow on people.

[BuelahWitch]

75. Like a fungus...

[PatrickforO]

57. Yeah, they refused to fund any research, started a more virulent version of

homophobia, got the religious whack jobs all worked up and allowed tens of thousands of Americans to die.

So...I guess it's TECHNICALLY true...it WAS a national conversation...

[madfloridian]

67. She needs to watch The Normal Heart.

[Jack Rabbit]

71. One of President Reagan sorriest omissions was to say nothing about AIDS for years

What is Mrs. Clinton talking about?

[sarge43]

97. Worse, he did nothing.

CDC, the Public Health Service should have been put to work. Instead, hundred of thousand of people had their lives destroyed by obmission. He has blood on his hands up to the armpits.

[gordianot]

73. So when you utter nonsense take it back.

I found this on Hillary's Twitter page:

Hillary Clinton’s statement on her comments about the Reagans' record on HIV and AIDS: pic.twitter.com/RtIs0zpJfk
1:24 PM - 11 Mar 2016

There might be a few other statements spoken during the Pimaries worth revisiting.

[myrna minx]

74. It just got home and read this-I'm just blown away.

I don't know whether to break something or just cry. I'd like to invite Hillary Clinton look the hauntly beautiful memorial quilt to see the 1980s "dialogue" the Reagan's started their cruel silence. Oh, God.

[JackBeck]

91. Call me crazy, but I tend to hold the standard-bearers within our party to a higher standard.

And when our own leaders "misspeak" like this, it is soul-crushing.

The first time I saw the quilt, it was at a march in DC. I burst into tears when I saw the swatch of a man whose birthday I shared. Through that death, another activist was born.

[myrna minx]

101. I was so young at the time - so I didn't lose a whole generation of loved ones like many did - but I

was deeply affected by this community destroying plague and the long lasting reverberations it's had for the generations after.

Stuff like this just tears off the unhealed scab of that era and it reminds you how prevalent the anti-gay hatred was from top down.

The Westboro Baptist Church may seem like a "hate-quaint" to some now - now that LGBTIQ rights are embraced by the majority today, but those bastards were so cruel, when whole communities were dying, when the President ignored the dying, and everyone could look the other way. I'm not sure if I'm making any sense.

The quilt is just such a treasured beautiful tribute - to the very loved and very ignored.

[JackBeck]

120. I was young, as well.

The stigma and discrimination against people living with HIV/AIDS, which to this day still affects the LGBT community and our allies regardless of one's serostatus, is what made the closet deeper and darker for me as an 80's teenager.

but you already knew that...

Unlike what some folks may be suggesting here on DU, I'm not taking an opportunity to bruise Clinton for her egregious comments today. I should thank her, actually, for continuing to create an environment that keeps giving me an occasion to try and educate others about this issue.

Unfortunately, some of those same folks who are deeply ensconced in the Clinton camp won't also take advantage of the situation to do the same.

[myrna minx]

122. Act Up : Silence = Death

It's great to see you Jack. I'm so glad you're here tonight. We're probably similar in age - so we saw this plague unfold through the eyes of youth. As an teen ally at the time- I know all too well the need for a deep closet just for personal safety.

Coming of age is a confusing time for any teen, let alone one who has to be closeted - and due to the lack of information and education about HIV/AIDS at the time, many lived in terror that they could die from just from natural teen experimenting.

I'm still rather upset by this tonight, so I'm going to unplug tonight and let Morrissey melt away all of this vulgarity from me. Ha.

I'm so inarticulate tonight, but I'd like to take the opportunity here to post a link about Act Up - which was the call and demand for action and awareness about the HIV/AIDS plague.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_UP

If you're up for it, I think it would be very helpful if you posted an OP about Act Up's the HIV/AIDs in the 80's, I think it could be very valuable. This is recent history for many of us - not some long ago fog of history. (I would, but I need to unplug tonight. Long week. )

To think it took the heartbreaking bullying of Ryan White - a boy who contracted HIV from a transfusion - for people to begin to take HIV seriously and have some compassion for those who contracted the plague.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White

Thanks again for being here. It was great to see you.

[hatrack]

77. What. The. Fucking. FUCK?

Uh-huh, once tens of thousands of bodies had piled up, Ol' Ronnie finally allowed himself to say the word "AIDS" - 1987, I think it was.

What a nauseating, stupid FUCKING LIE!!

[Dont call me Shirley]

79. Rewritin' history, isn't that a bush thing?

[Ichingcarpenter]

82. Its Neo..........Con

which she is.

[Dont call me Shirley]

86. Surely not a Progressive.

[Ichingcarpenter]

89. You and I know what that word means

Hillary and her friends like Rahm and Debbie don't

[wouldsman]

83. Edit?

Would you mind ALL CAPPING the line "COMPLETE AND UTTER REVISIONIST BULLSHIT"?

I also think I am about to vomit.

I came into the hair styling industry in the late 80's. Having come from a small rural town I had not previously experienced large populations of gay people. It was heart wrenching to see so many wonderful people losing so many wonderful friends. And not knowing just what was going on because Reagan had PURPOSEFULLY chosen to ignore the epidemic. So all of these people sick and dying, and all of us who were friends and co workers not knowing what was going on. I remember one situation where I was asked to go to a hospital to give a man a haircut that would be his last. Every one else was afraid to touch him even in the amount that it took to groom his hair. He was an extremely popular man so the waiting area was full of dozens of friends, singing, crying, writing poetry, writing his obit. Fortunately the med establishment was just figuring out how to at least prolong the lives of those suffering. He (surprisingly) went on to have about 5 more years of quality of life. (I credited the great haircut!)
Had Reagan taken some action it is likely that this man would still be alive today. And those who died before him maybe would have had 5 more years like he did.

[Babel_17]

111. That was an uplifting story, thank you

[debunction.junction]

87. Bernie a realist, Hillary a revisionist

Say anything often enough and too many people will believe following blindly.

[ibegurpard]

88. She just says shit she thinks will.sound good

Hallmark of compulsive liars...they lie when there's no reason to do so.
There were plenty of good things she could have said about Nancy Reagan.
If she's just carelessly "misspeaking" and mixed up AIDS and stem cell research for Alzheimers then it's not very clear she cares much about either.

[DebbieCDC]

90. I'm just wondering, is there NOTHING she won't lie about?

And also, why the eff does a douchebag became a saint just by the physical act of dying? I am sick to death of this "oh show respect". Bullshit. The Ray-guns were the worst of the worst. Why should I show "respect" just because they both quit breathing? Dickheads in life = dickheads in death. Lack of brain function does not confer sainthood.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

98. I wondering what R. Maddow thinks about this?

Is her paycheck still more important then the truth? Once and a while that triangulation thingy will get you in trouble, depending on what your definition of... "is -- is".--BC

[NurseJackie]

112. She's likely to be realistic and forgiving ...

... in the sensible and rational way that she normally would.

[Geronimoe]

99. No lessons learned when it comes to Hillary

HIV.AIDS should never have been a politican issue. It was a health issue that the CDC should have gotten funding to address.

Because only gay men were dying, Reagan and other right wing christian loonies, treated this as if this was Gods will for their life style of abomination.

Hillary always acts as though nothing happens, unless it is from the benevolence and wisdom of the ruler. The conversation started with massive protests by we the people, not Nancy.

[MuseRider]

104. It will be written

unless those of us involved in this keep speaking out. Thank you JackBeck. What she said is total crap. I was a new nurse at that time and we were beginning to see odd things even here in the Midwest and I remember all the talk in the hospital about the disinterest from the White House and how this crisis was not being dealt with. Nobody knew what to do because nothing we did do was working. This makes me so angry. I remember very young men coming in terrified about every little freckle or cold. Nobody knew what to do or even what to tell them to ease their fears. How dare someone try to paint a rosy picture on that administration.

[AzDar]

105. ...

[Babel_17]

107. Hillary Clinton Lauds Reagans on AIDS. Gay Twitter Erupts (The New York Times)

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-lauds-reagans-on-aids-gay-twitter-erupts

5:59 pm ET By Amy Chozick

<snip from middle of article> She faced a swift and fierce backlash, and issued a contrite apology within hours.

“It’s almost tempting to interpret this as withering, devastating sarcasm,” Gawker wrote. “The Reagans ‘started a national conversation about AIDS’ in the same sense that George W. Bush ‘started a national conversation’ about Iraq.’”

“Marie Antoinette did some incredible LOW KEY ADVOCACY for the French Underclass,” Dan Fishback, a writer and performer, wrote on Twitter.

There were calls for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest gay-rights group, to revoke its endorsement of Mrs. Clinton. Its president, Chad Griffin, a former Clinton administration official, issued a statement saying that “Nancy Reagan was, sadly, no hero in the fight against HIV/AIDS.” <end snip>

[noretreatnosurrender]

115. She Just Can't Help Herself

Excerpt from the Post-Univision Debate

Secretary Clinton, a Washington Post poll just yesterday found that only 37 percent of Americans consider you honest and trustworthy. Now, when you've been asked about this in the past, you have said that this is the result of many, many years of Republican attacks upon you. But Americans have also had 25 -- more than that -- years to get to know you for themselves.

Is there anything in your own actions and the decisions that you yourself have made that would foster this kind of mistrust?

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding -I'd say that the topic of this thread is a perfect example.