Dan Savage: Clinton crediting Nancy Reagan for helping AIDS victims is a ‘f*cking lie’

[NWCorona]

"Columnist and LGBT activist Dan Savage ripped Hillary Clinton on Friday for saying that former First Lady Nancy Reagan helped start “a national conversation” about the HIV virus.

“This is a f*cking lie,” Savage wrote in The Stranger. “You could only say the Reagans started “a national conversation” about AIDS if terrified, desperate, and dying people screaming “WHY AREN’T YOU SAYING OR DOING ANYTHING ABOUT AIDS!” at the Reagans counts. It does not.”"

This gaffe might turn out to be huge!
I personally think that Hillary was just trying to say nice things before her funeral. Also to pander for crossover votes.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/dan-savage-clinton-crediting-nancy-reagan-for-helping-aids-victims-is-a-fcking-lie/

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Hillary apologizes

Hillary Clinton Apologizes After Shocking Praise For Nancy Reagan's 'AIDS Activism'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids-activism_us_56e31770e4b0b25c9181e002

It's over.

Time to move on.

[ibegurpard]

2. nope

Not time to move on.

[Metric System]

5. Why? Because you're hoping to move some votes to Bernie?

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Yup. That's the only thing they care about. nt

[UglyGreed]

8. What about all your posts these last few

weeks SMH...........

[NWCorona]

21. But, but that's different lol

I'm just gonna

[Bubzer]

56. And all you care about is glossing over yet another example of her piss poor judgement.

[mvd]

96. It was definitely poor judgment

And she opened up a lot of wounds as seen in this thread. Rather than being malicious, I think it just showed how out of touch she is. Which still is not good.

[Bubzer]

100. I agree... I think she was just trying to score more political points...and gaffed in process.

She tends to be a bit short sited on things like this.

[840high]

68. I care about my two friends

who died.

[melman]

82. No

My brother died of AIDS. I care about that.

[appalachiablue]

84. I care about my little brother who started one of the first national LGBT magazines

and supported Act Up and other activist groups. He was a joyful, smart and generous loved one, friend, artist and journalist. With tremendous courage and persistence he fought housing discrimination in NYC and obtained good medical care there and in France. But he didn't make it. Ronald effing Reagan and his monstrous conservative brethren took his young life and many others with sadistic abandon. We don't forget. This isn't about the election. At all.

[EffieBlack]

101. Yup

The selective, sanctimonious, condescending outrage is priceless.

[tonedevil]

7. Because I want respect...

for the people I had to watch die in the 1980s while the Reagan administration either ignored the issue or actually laughed at it.

[kristopher]

14. +1

[bigwillq]

48. ....

[Hassin Bin Sober]

59. Literally laughed at it.

https://m.

[Babel_17]

86. Never heard that before. Terribly disturbing (nt)

[farleftlib]

75. Damn right

This is about disrespect for the dead, which Hillary doubled down on with her non-apology.

[ibegurpard]

51. Because she opened an old wound in me today

With her ignorant pandering to make herself look good.
I won't forget it.

[appalachiablue]

85. Same, and it's very painful.

[elljay]

61. My friends died

before my eyes. I cannot imagine that anyone who was alive in those days could believe that the Reagans did anything for HIV/AIDs sufferers. The gays died, the conservatives thought it was great that God was punishing them for their sins, and the majority of Americans only worried that they might catch it from a toilet seat. I am glad she had the decency to apologize but would she have done so without the outrage generated by her lie? I think not.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

9. We will have to move on for the sake of unity, but I think it should be up to those

who suffered under the Reagan's to make that decision of when.

But yes, we have to all come together and vote for whoever the candidate is when the time comes.

[JonLeibowitz]

47. We don't HAVE to do a goddamned thing. We just can't not do so on DU. n/t

[840high]

72. I don't have to do sh*t.

[farleftlib]

77. No.

[libtodeath]

10. Never.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. OK. nt

[NWCorona]

16. How many ghetto threads were there again?

[Chitown Kev]

25. Yep...and how much Bernsplanin' did we have to endure

[NWCorona]

42. And?

Why would you put stock in anything an anonymous poster would say anyway?

Can I ask if you are black?

[NWCorona]

53. The reason I asked

Is I was curious if you blamed Hillary for all the racist things her supporter's were saying in 2007/2008 when Obama came on the scene and "stole" the black vote from her? Far worse things were said back then.

[Chitown Kev]

99. I actually did.

[NWCorona]

109. I didn't.

Not until she started mirroring some of those talking points.

Thanks for the reply

[Bubzer]

58. And how many of her myriad scandals and terrible decisions have you just ignored?

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. Nope ......... I will not move on from a lie

and neither should you.

[nichomachus]

23. Nope -- just another opportunistic flip-flop from Mrs. Clinton

That woman has no core and no principles. Just an empty pants suit.

[840high]

74. .+10

[ljm2002]

31. "It's over. Time to move on." ...

... You wish.

[Major Nikon]

46. Here's the problem with that

Already the Republicans are using this as an opportunity to say HRC is now simply being politically correct. In other words, history has already been re-written. Sometimes you can't just unring the bell.

[SusanCalvin]

64. No. That was way beyond "misspoke."

What is her explanation? If it's just "oops," I have serious questions about her ability/qualifications to be president.

[Logical]

71. LOL, ok. nt

[morningfog]

76. Sorry for you. It is not over. She was lying.

It wasn't a misspeak. It was an outright lie.

Or she believes it and is lying now.

[xocet]

93. Clinton does not get a pass for her distortion of reality. She lies again and again and again....

n/t

[Metric System]

3. Correction: You hope this gaffe turns out to be huge, Sanders supporter.

[revbones]

18. She apologized for having "misspoke"

but she didn't correct the record. She just said she misspoke, and failed to counter the lie she told with the truth about the Reagans and AIDS.

[arcane1]

20. And if you watch the video, it's clear she didn't "misspeak" a damn thing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017337965

[840high]

79. thanks -

[Bubzer]

60. Exactly right.

[SusanCalvin]

67. ^THIS^

I want to know the story. If it really was just a stupid, ignorant mistake, OMG. If it wasn't, OMG.

[revbones]

70. Watch the video and see what you think

&feature=youtu.be

[SusanCalvin]

81. ©€™¥

As soon as she emitted the first sentence of that part, my middle-finger reflex was activated.

But you know what? Up to that point I was looking at the society pictures of "the club you aren't in" and suppressing my gag reflex. Maybe Nancy did do that quietly, and only the 1% knows, and Hill forgot her audience wasn't just the 1%.

It's a theory, fwiw. I'm trying to come up with an explanation for something I find inexplicable.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

88. She either lied, or is getting senile

[SusanCalvin]

92. It didn't sound like either, it really didn't.

I'm still totally baffled. (And enraged.)

[NWCorona]

24. To a degree, yes

I have no problem highlighting Hillary's issues during an election cycle.

[JackInGreen]

28. "Sanders Supporter"

Added like an epithet? Rly?

[ibegurpard]

4. She was trying to make herself look good

All "bipartisan" and shit...
She doesn't even know enough about it to stay away from the subject apparently.

[SusanCalvin]

73. Or to know anything about it, apparently.

Or....?

There is no way to look at this that doesn't make Hillary look like either a terrible person or a fool.

[jillan]

11. He is a Hillary supporter. Is this just empty rhetoric from him? Or is he going to stand with the

candidate that stood for LGBT rights all along?

Senator Sanders has been a longtime supporter of LGBT rights. In 1983, during his first term as Mayor of Burlington, Sen. Sanders supported the city’s first ever Pride Parade. He later signed a city ordinance banning housing discrimination.

When he served in the House of Representatives, then-Congressman Sanders voted against “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” in 1993 and the so-called “Defense of Marriage Act” in 1996. Sen. Sanders hailed the landmark Supreme Court decisions in 2013 and 2015 which struck down DOMA and recognized same-sex marriage is a right in all 50 states, calling the decisions a “victory for same-sex couples across our country as well as all those seeking to live in a nation where every citizen is afforded equal rights.”

[Metric System]

15. You know, this tactic hasn't worked with African American voters either.

[pdsimdars]

38. Have you even bothered to look at some of the recent polling, or still just taking them for granted

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

89. LOL!

[Chitown Kev]

30. Oh, please

Sanders was never an activist on LGBT issues and I think that it is gross that Bernie supporters want to capitalize on this in this way.

[Fumesucker]

37. Clinton on the other hand actively worked against GLBT rights

Sacred bond between a man and a woman...

[pdsimdars]

40. At the least they don't lie about his record.

And talk about capitalizing on things. . . have you paid attention to any of the criticism of Hillary or do you just brush it by as the rabble .. .. .

[Bluenorthwest]

52. I'm a life long anti Reagan activist and you do not get to define me as a 'Bernie supporter' in

order to dismiss this abysmal crap Hillary said. I'm the activist, and fuck Ron and Nancy. Fuck anyone who wishes to claim they were anything less than monsters in regard to AIDS.

[DeadLetterOffice]

65. Maybe these dear folks here defending what she said...

... don't remember how awful the 80's and early 90's were in regards to AIDS?

Maybe they weren't around yet?

Or maybe they had no ties to the community that was being fucking ravaged by the "LET 'EM DIE" policies of the Reagan administration?

Or maybe they're clueless sycophants...

[SusanCalvin]

104. "Not around yet" is the kindest explanation.

I remember.

[beerandjesus]

97. My #1 regret about blocking posters like the one you're replying to...

...(which I'm about to do) is that I miss out on great replies like this.

No shit, you're the greatest. You nail it every time.

[Bluenorthwest]

115. Thanks but I speak out on this because I was there and I buried people I loved who were also

loved by the world. Several of the people I personally lost are people everyone knew, people who were already shaking up the world and who were cut down in their primes. Most of the people I lost were PoC. Black and Latino, not all Americans either.

I have to assume those who attempt to defend or minimize this were not present in those times and that they have never bothered to educate themselves about those times. Every American should know all of these things, and anyone who is LGBT or African American who does not know these things is not being a good member of their own communities.

[beerandjesus]

117. Well, you're doing God's work.

I'm old enough that I had some vague awareness of what was going on at the time, but not old enough for it to seem really real to me until, years later, I moved to San Francisco and became friends with people who had Been There--who had buried literally all of their friends, and still felt the survivor's guilt 25 years later. I don't have words to describe the effect that had on me; but I can say that your message needs to be repeated again and again, because even among those who agree with you politically, most cannot truly fathom the magnitude of the horror of those days. And this would be true even if we didn't have Hillary and her ilk papering over their past sins. (And to be clear, I'm not pretending I "get" it in the same way you do--I was just fortunate enough to gain some second-hand insights from personal friends. I know damn well that's not the same thing.)

So thanks again. I love seeing you put Camp Weathervane in its place for sure, but you're doing something far more important here. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[dragonfly301]

102. +1 eom

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

91. You have to fight fire with fire in politics

Hillary is a liar. She lies about Bernie's record all the time.

[SusanCalvin]

103. I'm not "capitalizing" on a damn thing.

I am offended/baffled, and trying to figure out whatinthehell she was thinking, if she was.

[JonLeibowitz]

50. Apparently he has clarified that he supports both.

[Zorra]

114. Hopefully, he only supports one after this: Bernie Sanders, a loyal supporter of the LGBT

community forever.

[Skwmom]

62. I don't think she wants to be closely tied to the LGBT community in the general election

because of the vote she will be targeting. I could be wrong...

[Metric System]

12. Dan Savage follow-up tweet: "I will support the nominee. Whoever it is. So you assholes pick the

nominee & then I will write the fucker a check & vote for 'em. Deal?"

Interesting that a Sanders supporter would skip over that part.

[NWCorona]

29. Not all but some for sure

Don't act like some pumas didn't stay home or cross over to McCain.

[pdsimdars]

41. So much "smug" from the Hillarians . . . at times it's hard to breathe

[SusanCalvin]

105. So? I will still hold my nose if I have to.

Hope I don't have to.

[Skittles]

111. it's part of the swooner syndrome

[arcane1]

17. "Also to pander for crossover votes." Expect more of that as actual progressives go for Sanders.

With liberal donors tapped out, she'll start pandering more and more to conservatives.

[pdsimdars]

43. Ah, conservatives, her true base

[840high]

80. Interesting you said this - this week I got 2

snail mails from her asking for money. I won't bother saying what i replied and mailed back.

[m-lekktor]

26. crossover votes? what right winger would want to hear somebody praised for AIDS advocacy?

How is that a plus? the crossover types dont want to hear pro AIDS stuff this makes no sense, this cross over excuse , for me. Claiming the Reagans were pro AIDS advocacy is a minus to crossover types one would think!

[NWCorona]

32. I didn't say right-wing.

There's plenty of Reagan Republicans left.

[m-lekktor]

33. reagan republicans are right wing, very right wing last i checked. nt

[NWCorona]

35. Not in this climate

[m-lekktor]

36. you and I must have a different definition of reagan republicans.

Reagan republicans are HOMOPHOBES. maybe you meant Reagan Democrats.

[NWCorona]

39. That is a Republican prerequisite but that doesn't change

My point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. We will not have a single 47 percent moment

just a series of then in my opinion, This one is a large one.

[NWCorona]

34. Agreed!

But I still think someone has a 47% moment. They probably are just waiting for the right time to drop it.

[Fumesucker]

44. After the DNC is when the video of her speeches will surface

I wouldn't trust those snakes at GS not to have secretly videoed Hillary's speeches to them, a copy is a nice ace in the hole.

[NWCorona]

49. Same hear

They seen what happened to Romney

[SusanCalvin]

106. Nice point. Wheels within wheels.... nt

[Major Hogwash]

69. I agree, there's already 5 or 6 of these "I misspoke" comments!

There's no way she's going to stay high in the polls after this level of pandering/misspeaking/whatever the hell you want to call it.

[840high]

83. Agree.

[bigwillq]

45. K and R (nt)

[jalan48]

54. Karma. All the smears about Bernie, not good.

[bigwillq]

55. Kick (nt)

[LS_Editor]

57. Crossover votes don't matter if you lose your base.

And it is presumptuous.

[Dont call me Shirley]

63. KnR

[Enthusiast]

66. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[Ken Burch]

78. If The Stranger endorses Bernie for the Washington state caucuses...we'll know why. n/t.

[NWCorona]

90. True!

Seattle loves Bernie!

[d_legendary1]

87. Didn't they call this "gay plague" during the Reagan Administration?

https://vimeo.com/148245710

Larry Speakes was making fun of the AIDS situation. Remind me again how Nancy helped gay people, I keep forgetting.

[Skittles]

94. Ronald and Nancy did not give a fuck about AIDS until they had to

the damage done because of their homophobia was SICKENING

[SusanCalvin]

107. They did when they had to?

I had thought they didn't even then...

[Skittles]

110. Reagan eventually acknowleged he did too little, too late

I am actually glad Hillary made this gaffe (but WTF, where did she get from) because it brings attention to what a vile couple the "love story" of Ronald and Nancy actually was - they were sickening

[SusanCalvin]

112. I can sure agree with that. nt

[BeanMusical]

95. Kick and R

[WillyT]

108. HUGE K & R !!!

[EndElectoral]

113. People scrambling to make excuses for her on this issue is the biggest surprise.

[Betty Karlson]

116. I wonder if the Human Rights Campaign is still happy about that endrosement of theirs.

That kind of ass-kissing is likely to have left them witha foul taste in their mouths.