2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie supporters take the fight into the lion's den. Where were Hillary supporters?
Peaceful Bernie supporters, peaceful immigration rights activists and peaceful Black Lives Matter activists infiltrate racist bigot misogynist Trump rally and close it down.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)At least, that's what I've been told on this board tonight.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)To actually buy the narrative that protesting is bad. Damn.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)This is nothing new.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Leg-batoned in Tacoma, Hippy-punched on DU.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, I sure caught it here.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I was shocked at the hate spewed toward it by supposedly progressive democrats.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)There were a number of people there that would show up just to tell us how wrong they were and they are progressives, but we are doing it wrong.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Now we have one and it is still wrong.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)They were too funny. Of course we had leaders, but we didn't have a leader. Almost everyone at some point took a leadership position on some issue or another. We had teach ins, meetings, and some started organizing to stop banks from evicting people unjustly.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I sure didn't know how though. I actually was thinking someone that was more well known in the Democratic party would tap into what was started and it would propel their political career. Oops well we got Independent Bernie and that is so much better than I could imagine.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I still am.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the passion, the mobilization. it will bring people out. clinton will cause people to stay home and ensure a pres trump
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)No We Can't
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I wouldn't be voting for Sanders... Just... against the total madness on the other side of the fence. But I'd hold my nose and do what I had to do.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)I love this from MoveOn:
Mr. Trump and the Republican leaders who support him and his hate-filled rhetoric should be on notice after tonights events," Sheyman said. "These protests are a direct result of the violence that has occurred at Trump rallies and that has been encouraged by Trump himself from the stage."
Sheyman, representing one of several left-leaning groups working to elect Sanders, thanked the protesters for their actions.
"To all of those who took to the streets of Chicago, we say thank you for standing up and saying enough is enough," Sheyman said. "To Donald Trump, and the GOP, we say, welcome to the general election."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-03112016-htmlstory.html
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)as a technicality; now Sanders's backers and/or "the movement" in general is tackling it as a GE, too
thereismore
(13,326 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)We are much further down the revolution road than the tyhird way bridge club kibbitzing (isn't that bridge built yet?) would allow. The patient and polite are bone tired of not being heard, and not being served..by either side. This is just the start. Drumpf provides a catalyst but the fuel and the accelerant are already in place. This is what happens when you keep your powder dry too long. Its going to be scary, but its going to be a real tonic for the country
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)Meanwhile, Bernie supporters are out there getting shit done.
senseandsensibility
(17,026 posts)my friend.
malthaussen
(17,193 posts)Has that been established? If the protesters, I don't consider that a wise course. If Mr Trump's minions started swinging, though, then the protesters had every right to defend themselves. (Mind you, by the tenets of non-violence, they should not; but it is possible that non-violence is not the most appropriate response to fascism, which glories in violence)
-- Mal
morningfog
(18,115 posts)one group has finally been effective.
LuvLoogie
(6,999 posts)Cooking dinner for their families. Ringing in orders and closing up shop.
Some Hillary supporters were of course at the rally.
But, trust me. CHICAGOANS shut that fucker down.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)LuvLoogie
(6,999 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)LuvLoogie
(6,999 posts)to get the fuck out of town. These were mostly individuals and groups of friends and different organized groups in opposition to what Trumps candidacy represents.
I heard people on local radio for the last couple of weeks saying they were getting tickets so they could give Trump shit. There wasn't any "as a Bernie supporter, I feel it is my duty to..." except from Bernie supporters, who often seem to feel IT is about them...
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)I like it better if it's this way--a broad coalition of people sick of Trump and wanting him off their campus and out of their city--rather than a partisan political action for one candidate. I heard there was a Bernie sign and some Bernie chanters, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a coalition. I can understand Bernie supporters making themselves known and people supporting them for that. And I can certainly believe that many were Bernie supporters, cuz Bernie has a lot of young and restless supporters. But as I said, I like it even better if it wasn't just partisan but a general revulsion.
Again, thanks for letting us know how this developed! (But you needn't snipe at Bernie supporters the way you did. Don't the young always feel that "IT is about them..."?) (I'm 70.)
LuvLoogie
(6,999 posts)wants to make it "The Revolution saved the day." This had nothing to do with Hillary versus Bernie or who opposes Trump more.
My 58 year old cousin, who has been a vocal, in your face activist since she was a teen in the 70s went To Trump's rally by herself. She is a Hillary supporter, but shouted Bernie, Bernie when others started. Chicagoans protested together. She also hung with the Palestinians and the Mexicans that were there in solidarity against bigotry. She posted a video on Facebook. It was awesome.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I don't see where the protesters were anything other than people who don't like Trump. I imagine there are people of a lot of political persuasions who don't like him.
But since when is it a noble accomplishment to stifle the voices of those with whom one disagrees?
Would it be okay for Trump supporters to come to Sanders or Clinton rallies with the objective of shutting those down? And if not, can you explain the ethical or moral distinction?
If your distinction relies on some flavor of "but we are right and they are wrong", then I imagine they'd say pretty much the same thing.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because they have been fed the line that Trump rally protesters have been violent, and they believe it. Accordingly, they will be violent, and they will believe they are doing the "same thing".
However, taking your claim at face value - i.e. Sanders supporters peacefully shut down a Trump rally - then wouldn't it make a lot more sense to "shut down" Clinton rallies, since she is the more immediate opponent?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I don't like the precedent of shutting down rallies of people we don't agree with, been on the receiving end of that sort of nonsense too many times.