Interesting, positive news from IOWA

[CoffeeCat]

In in such a hurry, but had to post.

I'm at the Polk County Democratic Convention in Des Moines, Iowa. I am a delegate for Bernie.

We just had our first delegate count. This count is based in the results of the Iowa Caucus in Polk Countu only.

Sanders 523
Clinton 519
MOM. 8

Here's the kicker...Clinton originally won Polk County. Percentages were Clinton 53 %, Bernie 46%.

The numbers flipped!!! That means that some Clinton supporters defected to Bernie, or else some Clinton people just didn't show up.

I'm sorry I don't know what this means for the final counts. This is only ONE County Convention. 99 other CCs going on today. Will be interesting to see if this is a trend!!!!

Polk County is Iowa's most populous County.

Holy buckets!!!!!!

Will post when we're done and with final numbers.

[PonyUp]

1. Thank you for posting this! Keep us informed! n/t

[cantbeserious]

2. Thank You For Sharing This Good News

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[Chezboo]

3. Interesting! Thanks for the info. nt

[Kip Humphrey]

4. OK, I can't help myself! I'm calling Iowa for Bernie!!!

WIN! Bernie WIN!

[Jenny_92808]

5. Thanks for the good news

I just feel in my heart that change is in the air and Bernie will win.

[panader0]

6. There's that Holy buckets thing again.

K and R

[Hydra]

7. Wow, even if it is late, a flip for Bernie would be be a huge win

And a staggering amount of damage for Team Hill

[winter is coming]

8. I wouldn't expect there to be that many no-shows... surely they named some alternates?

Maybe some MOM or uncommitted delegates changed their minds???

[Divernan]

9. Sounds like the Dem hacks in charge lied about the counts, in HRC's favor

but didn't have the actual bodies to back up their lies.

[Land of Enchantment]

10. What were the final numbers the night of

the caucus?
Hoo Ray!

[Land of Enchantment]

11. Found it 49.9 H and 49.6 B

Three tenths of a point difference.
this is getting good...

[MineralMan]

12. All delegate counts announced right after a primary or caucus

are estimates. In most states, the actual final count will not be available until after their state convention. At every level, there are rounding decisions that affect the actual count.

All delegate count reports from all states should be treated as estimates until the state has held its Democratic Party convention.

Mostly, they won't change very much, if at all, but they certainly can change in small ways.

Just a note to clarify how this all works.

[Skwmom]

13. Maybe the count changed. nt

[SheilaT]

14. Nice. Doubt it will be reported anywhere.

What will happen to the O'Malley delegates, now that he's no longer running? Are they simply unpledged, and free to go to whichever candidate they want?

[HubertHeaver]

19. If they were "loaned" delegates, they will probably go back to the loaner.

Otherwise, they are up for grabs.

[karynnj]

27. When the count is actually completed, I think it will be covered

BUT, just as the truth that Santorum actually won Iowa came far too late for him with Romney getting the credit for weeks, the same could happen here.

However, the truth though will be, whomever wins, what Bernie said that night... a virtual tie. For Bernie that was a win because he showed he had real strength.

[Motown_Johnny]

15. So Bernie can still win Iowa?

Nice!!!!!

[Old Crow]

16. Go, Go, CoffeeCat! Thanks for the update! :) (N/T)

[libodem]

17. Hubba Hubba Ding Ding

Bernie Sanders winning EVERYTHING!

[NWCorona]

18. As soon as it was known that the raw data wouldn't be released I knew the fix was in

The count was to close with to many irregularities.

Also that BS about how it's not there practice to release the data was thrown of the cliff once the published raw count from 2008 was found.

[SCantiGOP]

20. Picked up another 4 delegates

That's equal to his gain in the Michigan Miracle.

Another 300 states like this and he secures the nomination.

[Gore1FL]

24. The MI miracle was that he didn't lose by 20% as the polls suggested

The overall delegate sing was far more than 4. 4 was simply the the number he had more than Hillary.

When you spin things using partial truth here, remember that you are spinning them for people who actually follow this.

[SCantiGOP]

42. To quote you

"The miracle was that he didn't lose"

Spin much??

[Gore1FL]

50. When you are down by 20% and end up winning that is a big deal. Not the addition of delegates.

If Sanders can manage a 20%+ vote swing in all states, you'll be crying in your beer.

[Fawke Em]

21. I heard if MO'M gave his to Bernie, Bernie wins.

Please keep us updated!

[greymouse]

37. I thought some people were voting for their mothers when I saw that

[montana_hazeleyes]

67. LOL

[Duckfan]

22. You are a dedicated soul

Thank you CoffeeCat.

Posts like this make me happy!

[Duval]

25. +1 nt

[appalachiablue]

45. What a great Bernie Michigan giphy. Wish I'd done that!

[Nickel79]

23. Confused...

I'm sorry, but I'm totally confused on this one--Bernie can still take Iowa? Was there something wrong with the initial count? Great news if true!

[Segami]

28. Thanks for the great info CoffeeCat!

Very eager to see the final results!

[thereismore]

29. That's insane. Please tell us how it works out. nt

[DrBulldog]

30. Please provide the most detailed info you can. Facts are our greatest weapon.

[Helen Borg]

31. So, she lost retroactively?

[MineralMan]

32. If you're interested in how Iowa picks

delegates to the national convention, read everything at this link:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/IA-D

It's actually impossible in Iowa to have an accurate delegate count until after their state convention. If you read the explanation at the link, you'll see that all numbers before then are just estimates.

[reformist2]

34. So it actually makes perfect sense to call Iowa a tie.

[MineralMan]

35. Yes. I posted that it was a virtual tie the day after.

We won't really know until after Iowa's state convention. Oddly, any delegate can change allegiance at any stage of Iowa's selection process, which sort of makes the whole caucus thing meaningless. All a delegate has to do is sign a statement to that effect before voting on delegates to the next level. Even at the state convention, a delegate can change allegiance.

Finally, at the state convention, the slate of actual delegates to the national convention is elected. Still, the estimated count usually ends up being very close to the final count. It remains a virtual tie, really. regardless. Iowa only has 44 delegates, in the end, so those county delegate counts aren't really that important in the end.

[Blue Idaho]

43. So this whole current deligate count can be rendered null and void

At the state convention? What a strange process.

[MineralMan]

57. No. That won't happen.

It might vary by a national delegate or two. That's all.

No major changes will occur.

[Blue Idaho]

58. Is it possible?

I don't doubt your knowledge here A just looking for clarification.

[MineralMan]

59. I don't think so.

There's no practical way for that to happen. A few county delegates might change their support, but that would have minimal effect. Wholesale changes just won't happen. Those delegates are just ordinary people. Such changes in affiliation are not common at all.

[Blue Idaho]

61. Thank you very much

I appreciate your perspective.

[Aerows]

36. My thoughts exactly. n/t

[Blus4u]

33. Thanks again for your hard work.

I was excited about your caucus updates during caucus night and sorry Mr CoffeeCat and your daughter didn't get there in time.

Peace

[fierywoman]

38. old and cynical

I'm old and cynical. Could it be something nefarious ?

[All in it together]

39. Actually Bernie had 532 delegates not 523

Clinton people made us go through every
Delegate and alternates for Bernie be
Rechecked in on the list. Tactics to make
Our delegates leave. So we are checking
Theirs too. Wonder if we'll have to go through this again today? These games
hurt Hillary.

[snort]

71. Thanks! Welcome to DU.

Gird your loin.

[All in it together]

40. Hi CoffeeCat

I'm at the Polk Co. Convention too.

[roody]

41. The Hill campaign challenged our

credentials. We had to exit our auditorium and enter one by one for a cred check. They are trying to get us to leave. We have been here 7 hours now.

[PonyUp]

44. Don't leave! If I lived near there I would bring you food and drinks! nt

[Cairycat]

46. My county flipped too

Black Hawk - we had more Clinton people to start, but after voting, it ended up 35 delegates to district for Sanders, 34 for Clinton. I heard there were some Clinton people went over to Sanders.

[LiberalArkie]

48. People can really like a certain candidate, but sometimes when you are close somethings

just make it where you really are not all that enthused with the person.

I was working with a candidate for mayor of my home town and he seemed to be bright and really smart. I had known him a long time. But when I was working on his campaign he was the most bigoted ignorant person I had ever know. Pushed the women around, just a bad apple. But on the outside as long as he was't stressed he was nice. I voted for the other person.

Some of these Clinton people may have not liked the way the people were being pushed around and changed sides.

[fbc]

47. That doesn't sound fair

If this was happening the other way, Bernie supporters, including myself, would be livid.

[democrattotheend]

51. I agree

Why are the delegates to the second level caucuses not bound to support the candidate they were elected to support?

[Nickel79]

73. I'll admit

That'd I'd be pretty upset if it happened to Bernie, but in the end, isn't it important we get the most accurate counts? Our collective democracy is far more important than a single candidate, so personally I'd prefer they just get the counts right--win or lose.

[noamnety]

49. Have all the hillary delegates also had to stay since 7am?

(Stay strong!)

[roody]

55. Yes, if they want to be counted.

[3hummingbirds]

52. Iowa

Can't wait for results. Go Bernie!!

[3hummingbirds]

53. iowa

Great news! Results should be interesting. Go Bernie!?

[roody]

54. I left at 5, after the final Bernie count

of 503. How did Clinton do?

[LiberalAndProud]

56. Is it possible O'Malley's delegates would account for the difference?

What happens to delegates after their candidate drops out?

[roody]

60. I believe they came to the Bernie group.

[marions ghost]

62. !!!

[Lucky Luciano]

63. i don't understand.

I thought the votes were cast and that is the end of it.

[Cassiopeia]

64. That's the joy of the caucus system

making banana republics look legitimate every US election cycle.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

65. When Bernie won at my caucus the Hillary people all stormed off before any could sign up.

[PatrickforO]

66. Kudos to you and the rest of the Bernie people for toughing it out.

This was a long, hard day for you guys and you totally came through. As a Bernie supporter, I'm very grateful.

[Baadger]

68. Video is on youtube

[newthinking]

72. This is GREAT!

Thanks for the video!

[Stardust]

69. K&R!

[Bluenorthwest]

70. You are some heroic marathon voters!!!!

Go Polk County!