Anyone else find it a bit disturbing that we have a Democratic candidate who....

[JaneyVee]

Has written off an entire region of the country whose citizens are most likely to be disenfranchised and marginalized? Of course Im referring to Bernie Sanders and the South.

We criticize Republicans for their Southern Strategy (of appealing to only southern white conservatives) so it only seems realistic to criticize Bernie's Northern Strategy (of only appealing to northern white liberals).

White kids in college towns arent disenfranchised and marginalized by society or their govt. Southern blacks are.

Thoughts?

[Voice for Peace]

1. My thoughts

This is a really stupid OP. Really. Very.

[JaneyVee]

4. Ive seen stupider.

[UglyGreed]

11. Does WESTERN REPRESENTATION PAC

have a position on this matter????

[JaneyVee]

21. They do. Here:

Oh no wait, those are actually leftists who wrote that.

[UglyGreed]

25. From where???

You know I'll find out sooner or later so you could just save me some time

[roguevalley]

33. this is what happens when hillary puts both feet in her mouth.

[UglyGreed]

46. Indeed

scorched earth, any port syndrome. No source is off limits for some of the Hillary supporters.....

[UglyGreed]

49. Looks like it's from

a "true" Socialist Peter Diamondstone so Janey should be happy that Bernie is on the right of him. Perhaps some prefer right center or bit more on the right candidates, I don't know since a right wing PAC was used as the source to slander Sanders the other day.

[Jefferson23]

59. Bernie according to Will Miller, 1999. You don't even have the decency to attribute your

posts. I suggest your side make up its mind, Bernie is too far left and does
not vote enough with the Democrats or Miller's take that he is a sell out
going along with those Democrats warmongering. lol

What a sickeningly cynical OP but good to know how you embrace the Brock approach
to helping your candidate Hillary win.

The link you left out:http://www.libertyunionparty.org/?page_id=363

[Armstead]

35. I have too....But this is in the Top 5

[cyberswede]

60. Me too.

right here

[ornotna]

93. Ha!

Well played.

[Mother Of Four]

95. I really wish you could have seen my face when I clicked that

I about died. Now my kids know for sure I'm a nutball. Thanks :p

[bvf]

97. Yikes! Well done. n/t

[PufPuf23]

91. That is a shamefully low bar.

"I've seen stupider"

lol

[NWCorona]

5. Yup! +1

This is shear desperation

[pdsimdars]

18. What do you expect? Beauty is as beauty does -- all you can expect is stupid

[Jefferson23]

2. Bernie Sanders has not written off anyone and it is abundantly clear what you're attempting to do.

Shameful OP.

[NWCorona]

8. And people say that Bernie Bros are stoking the racial fires

[HooptieWagon]

3. Nominating a candidate who can only win states that won't be blue in the GE is troubling.

That's a very weak candidate.

[JaneyVee]

7. Actually, the blue states we dont have to worry about...

But wouldnt it be nice to turn some red states purple or blue?

[HooptieWagon]

17. Won't happen with Hillary.

Independants don't like her, zero republicans will cross over to vote for her, and a sizeable number of Democrats won't even vote for her. She has the highest untrustworthy and negative numbers of any candidate in both parties. Not a chance in hell of her capturing ANY swing states, and very likely lose a few considered blue. Very weak candidate.

[JaneyVee]

26. Ive seen plenty of Repub crossover support for her.

More and more every day. And if she cant win the south Bernie sure as hell cant. Or are you ok with writing off an entire region of America?

[HooptieWagon]

28. Link? I'll wait.

[JaneyVee]

30. I posted some in an op about a month back, go find it.

[HooptieWagon]

102. So you got nada.

As I figured.

[Armstead]

38. I'm sure all those AAs who supported Clinton would vote for trump

[Karma13612]

75. Quite possible this is a strategy to get her nominated and then

these same voters will vote republican in November.
They want to have her as the Dem nominee since they believe she is the weaker candidate and that against her, the republican will win.

I happen to think they are right in as much as she is the weaker Dem candidate.

The republicans don't want to have Bernie as the Dem nominee since he is (and early polls have shown) the stronger candidate.

I am NOT advocating that anyone cross party lines to pull this crap, but you can be sure some have.

[Jitter65]

100. Her negatives are high thanks to people like those here who continue promote unsubstantiated

allegations and innuendo about her. The lie that gets repeated enough is the one believed. We have done much harm to the Clintons over the last decades. She isn't perfect but nothing she has done warrants the nasty attacks she gets from folks here. From killing Vince Foster to causing the Iraq war...as we do ourselves a disservice.

[Chan790]

110. so much harm and yet they don't seem to suffer it enough to actually just go away. n/t

[Fawke Em]

85. He's winning (or tying) in those.

Iowa, Colorado, New Hampshire...

She, however, is not.

[Ken Burch]

107. A Dem who supports letting Wall Street run the country can't do that, though.

The vast majority of the voters want a president who will stand up to corporate power. HRC never has and never will. POC want that more than anyone, since POC get hurt more by corporate greed than the rest of the country do.

[IllinoisLabour]

6. I find it a bit disturbing that you're trying to pretend that Bernie Sanders has written off...

...anyone but the modern-day robber barons.

Your assertion that he only appeals to white college kids is ridiculous and reeks of desperation.

[JaneyVee]

10. LOL OK.

So why did he dump massive money into Michigan and Minnesota but not Alabama and Mississippi?

[IllinoisLabour]

23. What a silly attempt to prove your race-baiting point

Not trying harder to win a state is not the same as writing people off and not not doing anything to better their lives.

Jesus, those are some flabbergasting mental gymnastics you're doing.

You know what you deserve? The infuriatingly dismissive retort I've seen from so many out-of-touch Clinton supporters..."Bless your heart."

[JaneyVee]

29. Facts are "silly" now. DU is imploding.

And Im biracial so please dont talk to me about racebaiting.

[JaneyVee]

41. Since youre new here, some advice...

Calling people names and personal attacks will get you banned quickly. If u cant debate in a civil manner, DU isnt the place for you. You can even edit your post before it gets alerted on and hidden. Then you cant post here anymore. Best of luck and remember, these are just pixels.

[IllinoisLabour]

45. I'm not editing to hide anything

Your posts in this thread are thinly-veiled race-baiting garbage and you should feel bad about yourself.

If speaking truth gets me banned while you keep spouting off verbal diarrhea, I welcome it.

[JaneyVee]

47. Have a nice day!

[marble falls]

112. He was a real jerk, wasn't he?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

82. This place is such a cesspool now. Hope it goes back to normal after the primaries.

[thesquanderer]

44. Simple. Because he dumped lots of resources in SC and came away with nothing to show for it.

It doesn't mean he doesn't care about people in these states, or won't fight for their issues. But he learned that, even though the large AA electorate in South Carolina liked him once they learned about him, that was not enough to flip their votes from someone they had felt so connected to. He is smart enough to have learned that there's nothing he can do to get that vote. Heck, even peopler here, when asked "what else could Sanders do to win over the southern AA vote," have no good answers. He would basically have to turn back time (i.e. create a presence in the south that started many years ago). No amount of money will do that. When facing a Republican opponent, he should get plenty of southern AA vote... but he's simply not going to win here versus Hillary. So his resources are better allocated elsewhere.

[cyberswede]

119. Because he manages campign funds wisely?

Choosing not to spend campaign funds in a particular region isn't the same as writing off the concerns of citizens who live there.

Seems pretty basic...

[malletgirl02]

9. I'm a black women from Virginia

and I support Bernie Sanders. Not everyone who supports Bernie Sanders is a white male from a northern state.

[JaneyVee]

16. Right, but the overwhelming majority are.

[malletgirl02]

32. Are to trying to

erase my support just to make your point? I don't matter just because I don't support Clinton?

[JaneyVee]

37. Huh?

Im not trying to erase anything. Your vote is your vote. I wont be there when you cast it. I live in NYC. Vote your support.

[seattleite]

61. Clinton supporters do this often.

They condescend to you as if you're a straight, white, male no matter who you are.

[SheilaT]

86. No. They are not.

I'm a white woman who lives in a western state, and I support Bernie. Oh, and I'm a senior citizen, too.

So stereotyping the Sanders supporters just isn't going to cut it.

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

12. You so funny!!!!! n/t

[polly7]

13. Didn't he just speak in front of 9000 enthusiastic people in Florida? nt.

[HooptieWagon]

22. Yes, in Tampa. A couple hours earlier HRC drew 600.

[DefenseLawyer]

14. Do you feel good writing this?

Honestly?

[TM99]

15. You mean all of those black and brown

college kids in Chicago who chanted his name as they shut down Trump's hate-fest?

Or are these northern blacks less disenfranchised and marginalized? Is that what you are trying to push now with this insinuation.

Y'all must be trying to avoid the reality that Clinton has been caught and called out now on TWO major lies in TWO days.

[choie]

19. Since you asked

My thought is stop it with the race baiting

[ibegurpard]

20. Well I guess he COULD

Waste his time and money campaigning in states that have already voted but that would be rather stupid don't you think?

[H2O Man]

24. I respectfully disagree

with the assertion being made in the OP. I know that it is highly inaccurate. Bernie Sanders will be the best president that region has ever had.

[JaneyVee]

34. Apparently they dont think so.

And Im sure theyre tired of being told so.

[H2O Man]

39. "they"

It's difficult to argue about an unidentified "they."

However, as stated, the people of the region you refer to will vote for Sanders in November. And they will be happy with his presidency. Very happy.

[JaneyVee]

43. They = south.

[H2O Man]

48. Lot of people

in the south. Safe to say that no one person talks for them. Among those who are registered Democrats, however, I think it is unfair to claim that they aren't going to vote for Bernie in November. I think the vast majority of them have a sense of party loyalty. More, they live in one of the regions that will benefit the most when Bernie is elected.

[noiretextatique]

53. Some southerners actually voted for Bernie eom

[ms liberty]

111. You don't get to claim to think for us Southerners

When you're doing it from your NYC home to promote rancor and division. This Southern woman early voted for Bernie last week here in NC. If he's ignoring the South, why are his ads all over local teevee? Your ugliness is not wanted or appreciated.

[Bad Thoughts]

27. Cllinton exploited such divisions in 2008 ... tried to make them permanent

Remember how some states ... Southern states ... don't really matter?

[SamKnause]

36. That is false.

There is something I do find disturbing.

I think you can guess who and what that is.

[jillan]

40. Oh looky it's another "Bernie is a racist" thread.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. No. Because Sander is likely to be much better for anyone disenfrachised than Hillary.

[rhett o rick]

50. S T R A W M A N.

[silvershadow]

51. Exactly. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

52. How's Manhattan JaneyVee? Bernie's been in Florida a bit, in fact your guy Chuck Todd was attacking

him for being in Florida on the night of the Michigan election, Chuck was sure Bernie was about to lose and he was deriding him for being in the South, just as you are now claiming he's ignored the South.

Hillary yesterday claimed the most villainous persons in the history of AIDS were somehow champions of the AIDS era. This crap about claiming she's the big minority candidate is done and over. It did not sell, it can't fly and your candidate demonstrates regularly why that is.

It's not just LGBT that despise Reagan and not just LGBT that were victims of the AIDS negligence and bigotry. Go read up about the HIV rates in the US and try to grasp that your candidate has lost votes from informed people in many communities.

[Kalidurga]

103. Was it you that posted this link?

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1999/may/15/tainted-plasma-traced-to-arkansas-prison-bill-clintons-blood-trails/

I can't remember where I saw it. But, I clicked it read it, did an OP on it after the steam from my ears cleared the room.

[SMC22307]

54. Bernie drew thousands in Raleigh yesterday.

Remind us again who he's writing off?

Bernie Sanders draws thousands to Raleigh rally

RALEIGH — Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders drew thousands of supporters to a rally in downtown Raleigh on Friday, four days before primary elections in North Carolina and four other states.

At least 1,000 people showed up who couldn’t get inside the 2,300-seat Memorial Auditorium, which was full. Sanders emerged on the steps of the venue and addressed the outside crowd before delivering his speech inside.

....

The Vermont senator hit all his campaign notes — campaign finance reform, student debt, health care, war, pay equity and the environment among them — and emphasized women’s and minority issues. He met briefly before his speech with the African-American caucus of the N.C. Democratic Party, and with John Boyd Jr., a Virginia activist and founder of an advocacy group for black farmers. Afterward, Boyd endorsed him.

Caucus official Jaymes Powell Jr. said his group wasn’t making an endorsement but liked what Sanders had to say on most issues.

....

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article65465677.html#storylink=cpy

[Jarqui]

56. On March 15th, North Carolina is where he's likely to do worst followed by Florida.

And he debated and campaigned in Florida earlier this week.

So how is this "writ(ing) off an entire region of the country" ?

Obviously, it isn't.

Someone's gone a little loopy today.

[SMC22307]

57. NC has a semi-open primary and there are nearly 1.9M unaffiliated voters up for grabs.

I'm not convinced NC is in the tank for Hillary, but guess we'll know Tuesday night.

[Jarqui]

58. South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia

were beyond semi-open. They were all wide open. Don't think it did him that much good.

[SMC22307]

63. Decimated textile and furniture industries, small farmers, dying rural communities,

pro-weed folks, Latinos, Moral Mondays supporters fed up with Republican abuses, college students, hippie-dippie Asheville types (I'm being facetious!), hunters...

It is a military state, though, with a lot of wealthy retirees moving to it. Large AA population. Opposed marriage equality something like 61%-39%, so there is that nasty social conservative streak.

I'm just getting the feeling that it's going to be much tighter than the polls suggest. We'll see who's most motivated and gets out and votes.

[Jarqui]

64. It would be wonderful if he could narrow the gap nt

[mhatrw]

55. LOL.

[senseandsensibility]

62. Maybe it's performance art?

Or improvisational comedy?

[Autumn]

65. They can vote for him if they choose, or for Hillary. They have that choice.

[Joe the Revelator]

66. LMAO!

The lengths....oh man the lengths.

[Uglystick]

67. I find it disturbing that a supporter like yourselves are obsessed

with anything anti-Sanders.

[Fumesucker]

70. They will be this much on his side if he wins the nomination though

I'm not kidding maddie.

[Scootaloo]

77. Well, Janey DID try to use Stormfront as a source

So it's not so much Anti-Sanders as it is Anti-ssssssomething else.

[aikoaiko]

90. And the jury results are in..... 3-4 leave.

[Number23]

69. No, it's not just you. I feel exactly the same.

[Motown_Johnny]

71. So the guy fighting for income equality has abandoned the poorest part of the country?

Bizzaro world thinking again.

[LWolf]

73. I've found it more than a bit disturbing that

I have a party that has written off the voting membership since the neo-liberal takeover.

I find the corporate takeover of the political process in this country to be deeply disturbing, and the fact that neo-liberal Democrats have been enthusiastic participants to be even more deeply disturbing.

I find the conversation I watched between Sanders and Jesse Jackson at the Chicago Rainbow Push meeting this morning to be enlightening and more representative of Sanders than so many Clinton supporters want to acknowledge.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1482216

[Hiraeth]

74. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE !!

[Scootaloo]

76. It's good to see that Hillary Clinton is preserving America's Outrage Manufacturing jobs!

[ThePhilosopher04]

78. I find it highly disturbing that we have a candidate who race baits and gender baits ...

and only cares about getting votes from African Americans, not the policies that genuinely affect their lives for the better. Of course I'm referring to Hillary Clinton.

[Live and Learn]

79. It is Hillary that has written them off.

Hard for me to believe that you don't see that. So I will guess you do.

[deathrind]

80. Watching HRC

Supporters bounce around from one reason to the next as to why Sanders is not a good candidate reminds me of how the bush admin bounced around from one reason to the next to justify the invasion of Iraq.

1st it was WMD
2nd was because of terrorist ties
3rd was to bring democracy

[Jester Messiah]

81. Translation, Her Majesty can't win outside the South...

So not only are the rest of the country misogynists, but anti-South bigots as well. Vote HRC to prove you're not prejudiced!

[Karmadillo]

83. Your assertion isn't true, but your race baiting shtick is more than a bit disturbing.

[Fawke Em]

84. No.

I'm Southern and I know that the media ignored him here. It's not his fault.

[Arugula Latte]

87. I find it disturbing we have a (so-called) Democratic candidate who ...

has written off the entire progressive base of her party.

[Mufaddal]

88. You're doing it wrong

[Bread and Circus]

89. My thoughts are you are an agitator and continue to play divisive politics and if I had my way you

would be given a good long break from DU.

You misrepresenting Sanders over and over only speaks to your desperateness as a Clinton supporter. You have nothing to support and nothing to believe in, it seems. I doubt many here believe you or take you seriously.

[Lizzie Poppet]

92. Don't plant that axiom too deep, Farmer Janey!

[DCBob]

94. I would use the term "given up" rather than "written off".

I think he tried to win the south but after months and months or trying to connect it simply didnt work and he has given up.

For sure I agree with your point that we need a candidate that connects with folks in the south.

[azurnoir]

96. interesting you should mention

the Republican Southern Strategy because this primary season could be called Southern Strategy2.0 Clinton's Firewall

[Vinca]

98. I don't think Bernie wrote off the south, I think the south wrote him off.

Given his history and his words, the man has been on the receiving end of a boatload of disrespect. If you ignore him, deride him and refuse to vote for him, should he just stick around and let the primary election go by without trying to win in other places? Your loss is another part of the country's gain.

[Cleita]

105. I agree and there is the obvious reason no one can say out loud.eom

[whatchamacallit]

99. No, I think it's awesome!

Well not really cuz he's done no such thing, but I do find Team Clinton's race baiting, disgusting fuckery of the highest order.

[Kalidurga]

104. I do find this disturbing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027681054

Of course it only hurt THOSE people. So, no big.

[Ken Burch]

106. Bernie never wrote off the South...he just didn't due well there

And that was mainly due to the repetition of the false claim that Bernie was indifferent about race.

Bernie never "only appealed to northern white liberals".

He was always just as outspoken against racism as HRC(and moreso, being more progressive than she is).

[Chan790]

108. Nope. Not even remotely.

I'm far more disturbed by the mere continued existence of viability of Hillary's candidacy. It's like she's Teflon...she could admit tomorrow at high-noon that she assassinated JFK, eats babies and bathes in the blood of virgins...and her supporters would still rather make excuses for her actions and positions than drop their support of a terrible human being who would make a terrible President. She's a proven liar who is unapologetic about taking money from big banks and big business to support their positions against the interests of the American public and is comparatively-hawkish to Dick Cheney. I don't see how she isn't being run out of the Democratic party, let alone remaining a viable candidate for the nomination.

Her supporters are as incomprehensible in my eyes as Trump's. They're both personality-cults seemingly totally-inured against the failings and disqualifications for office of their respective candidates.

[stevenleser]

109. Excellent point. nt

[Betty Karlson]

113. No idea which candidate you talk about. But I was quite disturbed

to hear a candidate heap glutinous praise on Nancy Reagan for her "silent activism" on "starting the conversation on AIDS" when Nancy and Ronnie did nothing but deadpanning that conversation.

And people may not remember this, but back in those days this was very difficult. You see, SILENCE = DEATH back then.

[highprincipleswork]

114. When nominated, Bernie will not disenfranchise anybody.

Of this I am sure.

Even if you did not give his candidacy a boost it could have used, he is relentless in his support of regular Americans of all kinds.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. OR how about we just give some other states a turn to vote first in the primaries, for a change?

Seems to me that to always have an outsized, inordinate and early influence on the nominating process may be called many things, but "disenfranchisement" it sure-as-fuck isn't.

[AlbertCat]

116. Anyone else find it a bit disturbing that.....

No.

Not worried about made up stuff.


More worried about Repug Lite pretending to represent us.

[Ferd Berfel]

117. Well Said

[mmonk]

118. My thoughts are that the issue was created by

the Democratic Party to divide the party along racial lines (for the money).