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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:38 PM Mar 2016

Esquire: Hillary Questioned Bernie's Record on Health Care and The Internet Made an Epic Correction

"As Clinton has discovered recently, the Internet age means instant fact checking. Whether she is talking about Bernie's record or Nancy Reagan's efforts (or lack thereof) to help those with HIV, the Internet fact checkers have their fingers poised over the keyboard ready to correct any claim.

And this time, Bernie Sanders' rapid response director Mike Casca struck gold. Because where was Bernie? He was standing right behind her in December 1993 when she gave a speech about health care reform at Dartmouth College"

Ouch!

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a42965/hillary-questions-bernies-record-on-healthcare/

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Esquire: Hillary Questioned Bernie's Record on Health Care and The Internet Made an Epic Correction (Original Post) NWCorona Mar 2016 OP
Gotta love the interwebs. cyberswede Mar 2016 #1
And this is why Hillary is at like 4% support among Millennials... reformist2 Mar 2016 #80
I wonder where Hillary stand on Net Neutrality? Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #2
but he never joined the real fight. kennetha Mar 2016 #3
We should actually have single payer. Where has Hillary been for that fight? cyberswede Mar 2016 #4
Working against Single Payer system and for Bill's HMO limited healthcare for those working and DhhD Mar 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Lodestar Mar 2016 #6
What? Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #8
Hillary disagrees with you. cui bono Mar 2016 #9
Except he did by introducing legislation not taking millions from the for-profit healthcare industry beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #12
Too Good for the real world kennetha Mar 2016 #19
*yawn* More spin from you. "Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #21
I trust Bernie's long time colleagues kennetha Mar 2016 #25
You do realize congress has an 11% approval rating, right? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #29
fighting? kennetha Mar 2016 #32
You do realize that repeating that talking point over and over isn't some magic ju ju, right? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #35
not a talking point, but the truth kennetha Mar 2016 #39
Truth? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #40
I am going to savor his wins, Kennetha and you can enjoy watching the internet kick roguevalley Mar 2016 #48
hie might win one or two on Tuesday kennetha Mar 2016 #51
You would be losing the argument if you actually had one. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #46
is that you Hillary stupidicus Mar 2016 #17
It seems after the UglyGreed Mar 2016 #22
she has been a horn-of-plenty lately stupidicus Mar 2016 #23
You said what I was thinking. I thought I was nuts. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #49
I'll go with astute stupidicus Mar 2016 #74
Real fight? You mean her giveaway to her insurance company donors? nichomachus Mar 2016 #41
Bernie's Modus Operandi kennetha Mar 2016 #45
I already corrected you once TM99 Mar 2016 #52
*snort* farleftlib Mar 2016 #5
Is it finally happening? Hydra Mar 2016 #7
This might be the proverbial straw NWCorona Mar 2016 #10
I wish I could see the panic level at Team Hill HQ Hydra Mar 2016 #11
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #13
I did not know Bernie had a rapid response director BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #14
Yes, and he's very good. Mike Casca. madfloridian Mar 2016 #18
knr nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #15
She is running out of good lies! Helen Borg Mar 2016 #16
Note that in the video, at the Esquire link, she specifically thanked him by name!!! TxGrandpa Mar 2016 #20
Too good. Thanks for making that point. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #28
Freak'n internets...they never forget. I'm sure that's frustrating HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #24
A Dexter's Lab Moment that Fits (IMO) rpannier Mar 2016 #26
Hillary On Bernie JGug1 Mar 2016 #27
Mhmmm. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #31
Bernie did not support Clinton's plan. He was pushing his own single payer Hoyt Mar 2016 #30
Mhmmm. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #33
Thanks! NWCorona Mar 2016 #36
Read it, she was thanking him for working on health care, not her plan. She was trying to get Hoyt Mar 2016 #37
Link to his "highly untenable single payer" 1993 plan? And proof he didn't support hers? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #43
So are you saying RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #54
Clinton's plan had the backing of Prez, more in Congress, and put control at local Hoyt Mar 2016 #55
What plan had no support? You have yet to produce evidence of Bernie's plan. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #58
I have already posted this link, you have to read the whole thing. Hoyt Mar 2016 #61
I read it twice, remember? It doesn't back up your claim. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #62
You did not answer my question. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #59
Nepotism allowed her access to the arena to begin with me b zola Mar 2016 #76
Unfortunately that touching picture NWCorona Mar 2016 #34
It was hard work for advancing healthcare, not support of her plan. There's a big distinction. Hoyt Mar 2016 #53
You can't blame Bernie because Hillary failed, he didn't have a plan to push in 1993. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #63
Do you trust Bill Moyers? Hoyt Mar 2016 #65
Sure but that article doesn't prove your claim either, although it is interesting: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #66
It proves Sanders was pushing his plan. That photo, is not him vowing support for Clinton's plan, Hoyt Mar 2016 #67
WHAT plan? You still haven't proved it existed anywhere but in your imagination. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #68
Moyers' site stated -- Single Payer was Sanders’ position as far back as 1993 . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2016 #70
His position, not his plan. Words have meanings. And you asked if I could read? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #71
Give me a break. Plan and Position are the same, he did not support Clinton's plan/position. Hoyt Mar 2016 #72
No they're not, you claimed Bernie had his own plan in 1993 and that's why he fought Hillary. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #73
What plan was that? Link? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #42
Yep. In this case, a picture doesnt tell the story. If you are into superficial it might. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #44
Steve Leser in 2008: "Hillary is a liar" beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #47
Would you like us to add the video clip where she thanks Bernie by name for his help??? reformist2 Mar 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #56
Spacially unaware this time, just like that gunfire when landing. . . . . samo-samo pdsimdars Mar 2016 #50
It doesn't matter. Team Clinton will still epsouse the lies. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #57
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #60
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #64
Is Hillary even capable of telling the truth anymore? LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #69
Howard Dean will be so disappointed. Skwmom Mar 2016 #75
The campaign based in continual smears and deceit is more predictable than the sunrise, Zorra Mar 2016 #77
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #78

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
3. but he never joined the real fight.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016

too busy tilting at the single payer wind mill -- picking daisies in left field, instead of having his head in the game.

That's our Bernie. Too good for the real world.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
4. We should actually have single payer. Where has Hillary been for that fight?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

Oh I know: "no we can't"

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
38. Working against Single Payer system and for Bill's HMO limited healthcare for those working and
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:08 PM
Mar 2016

above the poverty line. The poor were and are written off by Clinton, as far as HMO ACA healthcare and welfare reform.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/23/us/jackson-calls-for-a-national-health-care-plan.html

Response to cyberswede (Reply #4)

Response to kennetha (Reply #3)

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
8. What?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

He isn't the one rewriting history out of whole cloth. Hillary has been caught twice in as many days rewriting history. And, Sanders has been fighting for years for what he believes in and will continue to do so for as long as he has too. Not many politicians can say that. Contrary to popular belief, there isn't any honor in compromising just to get something done because it would be too hard (but not impossible) to get the results that would benefit everyone. Movements take time.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. Except he did by introducing legislation not taking millions from the for-profit healthcare industry
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016


Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
19. Too Good for the real world
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. “Senators are not impotent."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jaSb0hM
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

too good for the real world.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. *yawn* More spin from you. "Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet
October 17, 2015

Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:

Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.

...

Using the Power of a Senator

While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.

When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy move—holding out until the funds were put into the bill—has even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.

Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you


And he did it all without taking millions from special interests.

What did Hillary do again, I mean besides help get us into the Iraq war?

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
25. I trust Bernie's long time colleagues
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

more than his self-promotional clap trap.

Hardly any of them are endorsing him. Reminds me kind of Ted Cruz -- except they do seem to like Bernie personally. But he's no lion on the legislature that's for sure.

too good for the real world. that's my new tagline whenever I mention Bernie.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. You do realize congress has an 11% approval rating, right?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

I'll take the guy who's been fighting for me for decades, not the corporate sellout millionaire.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
32. fighting?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

really? mostly standing on the sidelines, tilting at windmills

"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. “Senators are not impotent."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jaSb0hM
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

too good for the real world.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. You do realize that repeating that talking point over and over isn't some magic ju ju, right?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

This isn't Oz so clicking your heels together won't work either.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
39. not a talking point, but the truth
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

an almost completely pure and completely inconsequential legislator.

Now Ted Kennedy, that was a guy who knew how to get legislation passed.

Bernie -- an inconsequential, purist piker, a legend in his own mind.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
48. I am going to savor his wins, Kennetha and you can enjoy watching the internet kick
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

Hill for her many iiotic lies.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
51. hie might win one or two on Tuesday
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

But the the delegate count is going to make you want to cry I think. No republicans and independents to help him in Florida, where he probably lost all credibility anyway by refusing to disavow his praise of Castro and Ortega.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_democratic_presidential_primary-3556.html


That's gotta hurt.

This one too:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-5175.html

The south rises again, I guess.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
23. she has been a horn-of-plenty lately
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

I'd almost feel sorry for her if she wasn't in so much karmic debt

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
49. You said what I was thinking. I thought I was nuts.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

So either we are both very astute, or we are both nuts. Which do you prefer?

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
41. Real fight? You mean her giveaway to her insurance company donors?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

Mrs. Clinton's plan was bogus and died the death it deserved.

If Mrs. Clinton's world is the "real world," we are truly screwed. She is a dangerous dangerous woman.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
45. Bernie's Modus Operandi
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. “Senators are not impotent."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jaSb0hM
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

too good for the real world.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
52. I already corrected you once
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

but I guess I have to do so again.

Your candidate stuck her tail between her legs and did not do shit about health care for the next 24 years until this election.

Sanders kept pushing for single payer BUT also got the community health rider attached to the ACA and led the overhaul of the VA system.

That is not titling at wind-mills. That is getting shit done, unlike your lying insurance mandate loving candidate.

Got it this time?!

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
5. *snort*
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

She is a train wreck in the making. I just hope the crash comes before she comes any closer to winning the nomination because if her past experience is any example - and it is - she will run this country into the ground with her ham-handed ineptitude.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
11. I wish I could see the panic level at Team Hill HQ
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016

It was pretty bad before NV. This has to be worse, even with them ahead.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
14. I did not know Bernie had a rapid response director
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

I guess he's been around long enough to know how the Clintons play the game. He is running a brilliant campaign.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
26. A Dexter's Lab Moment that Fits (IMO)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

Dad: If only your.... [sniffling] older sister Dee-Dee were here to see this...
Dee-Dee: I'm right here, Dad!
Dad: Oh, Dee-Dee..! Dee-Dee, where have you been all these years?!
Dee-Dee: Right behind you.
Dad: Oh, you know I never look back there, ha-ha!

Maybe that was the problem, she never looks behind her

on edit: Season2 Episode 25 Mock 5
Happens at the end, for the Dexter's Lab Fans

JGug1

(320 posts)
27. Hillary On Bernie
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

I heard a really good comment on this episode on NPR the other night. Hillary handled that assertion badly, according to one of the people speaking. She should have said that She and Bernie had indeed, voted FOR the car bail out but then that was blocked and the bail out was included in a bill that also bailed out some Wall Streeters. Bernie chose to vote against that bill but she took a more pragmatic view and sucked it up in order to save the car companies. Much better presentation. But, she was NOT lying, in spite of the ramble and the roar. Bernie DID, in fact vote against the bill that saved the auto companies. His vote was Bernie, all the way, but if he had prevailed the nation would have gone to 25% unemployment. She's right. He was wrong. Sorry. I love him.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
30. Bernie did not support Clinton's plan. He was pushing his own single payer
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

plan, that had even less chance to pass then. Had he gotten behind Clinton's plan, it might have done better and we'd be farther along.

So Clinton was correct when she said she did not know what Sanders was doing. But, she should have put it straight -- I tried to get his support, but he was dreaming about single payer which had no chance then. So here we are.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
37. Read it, she was thanking him for working on health care, not her plan. She was trying to get
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

his support, but he was stuck on his highly untenable single payer at the time and DID NOT support her plan.

Sanders was essentially just another lobbyist promoting his plan, not hers.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
55. Clinton's plan had the backing of Prez, more in Congress, and put control at local
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

area to get by those who would never consider outright control if healthcare. Sanders' single payer had no chance and no support. If he had gotten behind Clinton's plan, and perhaps offered some compromise like a public option, who knows where we'd be today.

But, he failed to support her plan. Heck, Obama had to beg him for help to get something passed in 2009.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
62. I read it twice, remember? It doesn't back up your claim.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie didnt introduce a plan in 1993.

Try again.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
59. You did not answer my question.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

Once again, do you feel that it was Clinton's way or the highway?

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
76. Nepotism allowed her access to the arena to begin with
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary wanted into the political mix. Many people are accomplished and worked hard but never have access to take a leadership role like Hillary did.

All Bernie had was a set of principles, a strong moral compass, and the dedication to pursue better policy for the American people.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
34. Unfortunately that touching picture
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Along with that letter Clinton wrote to Bernie for all the hard work speaks otherwise. Can't spin this gaffe

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. It was hard work for advancing healthcare, not support of her plan. There's a big distinction.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Because Sanders and others did not get behind her plan, it was 15 years before anyone would touchbit.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082

You gotta read it and think. Sanders was pushing his plan, not hers. At best it devided support. At worse, right wingers just used it as proof liberals would not be satisfied until the federal government ran healthcare.

Back then, that was death knell of any advancement. Sanders' irrational inflexibility struck again.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
63. You can't blame Bernie because Hillary failed, he didn't have a plan to push in 1993.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

Stop posting falsehoods.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
65. Do you trust Bill Moyers?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

"As Karen Tumulty noted in The Washington Post, Bernie Sanders has long been a champion of a single-payer health care system as the only way to assure that all Americans receive medical coverage. Rather than “strip” millions and millions of people of their health insurance, he wants to be sure millions and millions of people actually get health insurance.

"This was Sanders’ position as far back as 1993 . . . . . ."

http://billmoyers.com/story/tell-the-truth-about-bernies-health-care-stand/

Then read the article below and try to put the two articles together if you can. Sanders had a single-payer plan/proposal and did not support Clinton's plan. When it came time to supporting Clinton's plan, he was absent, hence her comment "I don't know" where Sanders was. Admittedly, she should of just said, "Sanders was too stubborn and stuck on single payer, and he we are still trying to come up with some health plan to build upon."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-health-care-217789


So, yes, Sanders had a plan and he did not support Clinton's plan. He might have helped move the discussion along, as Clinton said in her note, but when it came down to it, Sanders was absent in his fantasy land.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
66. Sure but that article doesn't prove your claim either, although it is interesting:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:18 PM
Mar 2016
This was Sanders’ position as far back as 1993 when newly-elected President Bill Clinton put First Lady Hillary Clinton in charge of reforming our disheveled and unjust health care system. Her task force huffed and puffed in secret for months, calling in legions of experts and academics, ultimately producing a plan so complicated and impenetrable – not to mention unexplainable – that it would have collapsed of its own ponderous weight even if the Republicans had not propagandized it into a laughing stock of pretensions and inefficiencies that could only make matters worse.

And here’s an ironic note: During that 1993 quest for a health care plan, Secretary Clinton sent Sanders an autographed picture of the two of them, wishing him the best and thanking the senator “for your commitment to real health care access for all Americans.”




Where's his plan?


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
67. It proves Sanders was pushing his plan. That photo, is not him vowing support for Clinton's plan,
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:24 PM
Mar 2016

it's him acting like a lobbyist. For all we know, he leaned over and said "Mrs. Clinton, I appreciate your commitment to real health care access for all, but if it's not single payer I'll let people go without for 25 years until I have a chance to push single payer again on the national stage, assuming I can snow enough people."

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
68. WHAT plan? You still haven't proved it existed anywhere but in your imagination.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016
For all we know, he leaned over and said "Mrs. Clinton, I appreciate your commitment to real health care access for all, but if it's not single payer I'll let people go without for 25 years until I have a chance to push single payer again on the national stage, assuming I can snow enough people.


And an incredibly active and smarmy imagination at that.

Either find proof to back up your assertion or stop claiming that it's the truth.

Because someone looks really dishonest here and it's not Bernie.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
70. Moyers' site stated -- Single Payer was Sanders’ position as far back as 1993 . . . . . .
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

I guess you want to parse whether "position" means "plan" or not.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
71. His position, not his plan. Words have meanings. And you asked if I could read?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

Where is this 1993 plan you keep posting about?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
73. No they're not, you claimed Bernie had his own plan in 1993 and that's why he fought Hillary.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

And obviously neither one of those claims is true.

Face it, you're busted, admit you made it all up and move on.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
42. What plan was that? Link?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

You refused to provide one in the other thread and here you are making the same claim.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #30)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
50. Spacially unaware this time, just like that gunfire when landing. . . . . samo-samo
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

again, did I repeat myself, deja vu, one more time, ad nauseum

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
69. Is Hillary even capable of telling the truth anymore?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

Lie after lie after lie.

And her supporters not are not only fine with the complete lack of ethics, they fucking cheer lead the lies. Nauseating

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
77. The campaign based in continual smears and deceit is more predictable than the sunrise,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

and the campaign based in fact and truth knows the dirty tricks the deceitful campaign is going to pull before the deceitful campaign knows they are going engage in them.

It's not rocket science.

The Scorpion and the Frog

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."

~ Aesop
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