2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders: Too Good For the Real World!
Are you tired of pragmatic, realistic politicians?
Tired of politicians who get up everyday and fight tirelessly for real change in the real world?
Tired of politicians who are willing to take what they can get when they can get it, even while never losing sight of the ultimate goal?
Tired of fighting for hard won incremental change?
Are you the type who wants it all, and wants it now, real world constraints be damned?
Then vote for Bernie!
He's too good for the real world!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)"That's what they offered."
kennetha
(3,666 posts)But Sanders doesn't really understand markets, obviously.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)No politician is. But I am sick and tired of most of our elected officials. Most deserve a pink slip.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Like Hillary does?
Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)what you complained about a week ago
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that I am tired of posters that paint Bernie Sanders supporters as dreamers, losers and whiners.
Welcome to ignore.
Broward
(1,976 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)There is a correlation of political forces in this country. Unless you completely rout the other side, policies are always going to be a vector sum of competing forces. The progressive side pushes to the left as hard as it can. But until we eliminate the opposition, there will be very few opportunities for a leftist utopia. You have to combat the forces that are actually arrayed against you. You cannot merely wish them away. You cannot merely click your heels three times and say, "there's no system like single payer. there's no system like single payer..." and thereby make it a reality.
Broward
(1,976 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)your man is so pure, he is basically inconsequential.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511478776
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)Tired of politicians who have ideals and ethics?
Tired of politicians who have spent their entire lives fighting endlessly for all people, especially those who do not have a voice?
Tired of politicians who refuse to be shills for corporations?
Tired of politicians who will stand against entities who want to destroy lives and the environment?
Tired of politicians who do not lie or change their beliefs according to the weather?
Then vote for Hillary Clinton!
She'll piss down your back and tell you it's raining!
kennetha
(3,666 posts)He is so pure, he is inconsequential
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jT9AvnM
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. Senators are not impotent."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jaSb0hM
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What kind of experience does Bernie Sanders have? Let's take a look.
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet
October 17, 2015
Once Sanders made it to the Senate in 2006, his ability to use amendments to advance a progressive agenda was empowered. Here are some of the amendments he passed in the Senate:
Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.
Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.
Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.
Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.
Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.
...
Using the Power of a Senator
While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.
When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy moveholding out until the funds were put into the billhas even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.
Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a deal.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
What did Hillary do, I mean besides help get us into the Iraq war?
choie
(4,111 posts)N/t
kennetha
(3,666 posts)He is inconsequential
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jT9AvnM
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)"His legislative record was to state the ideological position he took on the left, but with the exception of a few small things, he never got anything done," said Frank, who has endorsed Clinton. Senators are not impotent."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernies-record-220508#ixzz42jaSb0hM
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too good for the real world.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Seriously,can you and not a link to a page that says nothing or at best talks about getting repuke state governors enacting a public option.
I am waiting.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)but have a lovely night anyways.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)Maybe some people just don't think big enough and settle for anemic outcomes.
Jackilope
(819 posts)Settle for Hillary, because real significant Wall St. oversight is too hard.
Settle for Hillary, because you don't belong in backroom negotiations anyway.
Settle for Hillary, because there are wars to engage in and she is a hawk!
Settle for Hillary, because truth is over rated and you can't handle her many variations on a truth.
Settle for Hillary, because .... 911!
Settle for Hillary because USA really doesn't deserve access to universal health care and education, or labor rights.
Settle for Hillary .... because she can out wait you and tire you down -- just like in Polk County, Iowa. It is her turn, dammit.