When HRC sat through 11 hours of non stop attacks at that hearing...

[Peacetrain]

She earned my undying admiration by her being able to stand in there when they are firing off verbal cannons and accusations at her..


No amount of attacks against her will shake that from me.. She is one tough lady..

Most people would have folded up or lost it.. there is some real steel in her spine

[TwilightGardener]

1. She suffers so...and it's all for you and me...

[Peacetrain]

2. Feel better??

[erlewyne]

79. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders on the Ides of March.

But I like Hillary better than Trump and Cruzs and Kasich.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. ...

[TwilightGardener]

63. That about sums it up.

[Prism]

102. Your taste in film is excellent

That scene always runs through my head when I'm watching someone martyring themselves.

Fun fact, the mother in the Ref is also the mom from Mary Poppins.

[Warren DeMontague]

107. Yeah, the ref is an underrated gem of the 90s

It definitely has its moments

[MrWendel]

3. And...

quite a few BS supporters were cheering the Benghazi committee, just like they are cheering for another e-mail/Tea party attack now.

[demmiblue]

9. No there weren't. n/t

[MrWendel]

14. Uh huh...

Puh-lease, those viewing parties must have been epic... for the first 2 hours.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. Jonathan Capehart, is that you? Show you work, prove your vile assertions or retract them.

You attack DU members with made up bullshit out of your creepy ass drama box. Prove what you are typing or delete it like an honest person.

[demmiblue]

34. ...made up bullshit out of your creepy ass drama box.

You have a way with words, Bluenorthwest!

[MrWendel]

39. What...

no accusation of being David Brock? I'm hurt.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. No links? I'm not surprised. Snark and emoticons? Expected.

You can't prove your assertions. You are not an honest broker. There is no smilie for 'not an honest broker'. Sorry.

[MrWendel]

74. There is...

this thing on the net called "Scrolling down" ...

[Prism]

104. You really are just about my favorite person ever

"creepy ass drama box"

If you ever come out to S.F. all the drinks are on me.

[MrWendel]

110. Wait...

creepy ass drama box? You think the internet is "Made out of cables and wires" don't you?

[Wilms]

12. MrWendel, could you pplease provide a link for that claim.

Thanks, in advance.

[MrWendel]

19. Time flies...

and allot changes in a few months...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511464011

So lets not fake that the HATE isn't real.

[Wilms]

28. MrWendel, could you please point to what in that thread supports the claim.

As always, thanks, in advance.

[MrWendel]

38. Try..

the actual lead thread itself. Need help finding it?

[Wilms]

40. As in the OP?

The "Original Post"?? That's a cut and paste from The Hill.

What else have you got. Try to keep the standards up.

[MrWendel]

42. So you can...

tell me the point of the post from a Bernie supporter if it's settled and everyone is "Kumbaya" about it? Right?

[NWCorona]

76. To damage Hillary

But you said that it was quite a few but it was only one poster who had no body backing him up in that op.

Also it wasn't cheering the benghazi committee only bringing up something coming from the testimony.

I stand behind my point.

[MrWendel]

90. Uh huh...

you go with that "Show me #### amount of people" to prove your point ploy. You stand by yours, and I'll stand by my BS supporters pretend they weren't crossing fingers for Benghazi to be true statement.

[NWCorona]

91. I'm sure some are

Can you say that some Hillary supporter's aren't wishing for Bernie to implode somehow? We need to be real as I remember the pumas playing up the birther angle.

[MrWendel]

92. Differnce...

Hillary supporters are hoping for Bernie to be charged or prosecuted with a wack ass charge.

[NWCorona]

93. I'd say if the situation was reversed

Hillary supporters would definitely be hoping for that. Can you honestly say they wouldn't?

Edit: some supporter's

[MrWendel]

98. Good edit...

see I can't speak for all the HRC supporters. I can speak for me when I say I am a Democrat first, not Hillary first. Not sure the majority of BS supporters could though. At least from my experience, thoughts of her being a Republican and other BS from BSers on DU says allot But hey, it does seem like a bubble here.

[Autumn]

44. Sorry it's not in that link. The link to those viewing parties please.

I would hate to think you are pulling that assertion out of your... hat. Again I'm sorry but there is no post by anyone in that thread having a viewing party, it's just not there which is a good indication that you have indeed pulled that assertion out of your...hat.

[NWCorona]

73. That link actually runs counter to your point.

And is only loosely related to the 11hr testimony.

[MrWendel]

75. Reply #42

[Scootaloo]

13. You know you could apply that creativity to art, or music, or anything else.

[NWCorona]

23. Excuse me. I'm a ardent Bernie supporter

And I was cheering Hillary on for all eleven hours. It was a remarkable feat not just for Hillary but for her team as well.

That said, it doesn’t give her an unlimited hall pass.

[GoneFishin]

36. No they weren't. Many people acknowledged that she kicked ass even though they do not

support her as President.

[DrDan]

51. exactly

[thelordofhell]

56. Bernie Supporters tried to float that the committee was throwing the meeting for Hillary

I got banned from the Bernie Boards for laughing and tin foil hatting the post..........

[PatrickforO]

101. No one I know was cheering the Benghazi committee.

These morons wasted millions of dollars that could have been spent on much more constructive things.

[demmiblue]

4. I admired her too, but this is some weird shite.

[dragonfly301]

5. I felt the same when Bernie filibustered

the extension of the Bush tax cuts for 8 1/2 hours straight. He's so consistent in his convictions!

[lunamagica]

32. Was he constantly bombarded with attacks? Not in the same league. Not by a million miles

[SamKnause]

45. Did he get to sit down ??? No

Did he get bathroom breaks ??? No

Did he get to break for lunch ??? No

I agree, not in the same league.

[lunamagica]

59. Read the OP again

"She earned my undying admiration by her being able to stand in there when they are firing off verbal cannons and accusations at her..


No amount of attacks against her will shake that from me.. She is one tough lady..

Most people would have folded up or lost it.. there is some real steel in her spine"

It's about the ability to take hours and hours of attacks...the strength to fight back. The mental and emotional capacity to take all that, fight it and come out victorious.

I find you equating the two very strange...

You know what? Millions of people spend 8 hours or more at their job on their feet, not getting to sit down, EVERY DAY. Many don't break for lunch or bathroom breaks often. That's just their daily life...

[NWCorona]

67. So what you are saying is you can't give Bernie any shine

I don't get it.

[lunamagica]

70. What I'm saying is that the reply was completely off-topic

[dragonfly301]

69. She was fighting for her political life

he was fighting for the lives of the bottom 99%. That's what I see as the difference.

[liberal_at_heart]

43. He is damn brave to stand up to not only the Republicans in Congress but the entire 1%.

Now that is courage.

[dragonfly301]

61. +1 eom

[Vinca]

6. I gave her kudos for the 11 hour appearance, but now I'm wondering

how much was fact and how much was fiction. It seems with Hillary you never really know.

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. She dodged sniper fire just to make it there, you know.

But she took heart and persevered when she thought of Nancy Reagan's selfless efforts to combat AIDS...

[Carolina]

15. great post!

[left-of-center2012]

35. "She dodged sniper fire"

I think she was also on that helicopter with Brian Williams of NBC News
that got shot down out of the skies.
(I may be wrong)

[840high]

82. Stop asking - then she'll stop lying.

[Attorney in Texas]

7. Yes, NOTHING will stand between Hillary and her ambition! Not even a panel of Republican halfwits

We cannot downplay the claims brought against Hillary by calling her attackers morons and simultaneously claim that eh had to be a genius to outwit them.

[BernieforPres2016]

8. So that earned her lifetime immunity on all bad decisions, lies, sellouts of the working class, etc.

I'd rather look at the entire record of both candidates.

[Barack_America]

10. If she can endure that, she can clearly endure any backlash...

...from the release of those transcripts. No?

[farleftlib]

17. Ouch! Good one!

Release the transcripts, Hillary!!

[NWCorona]

27. Touché

Hillary seen what happened to Romney and he's a declared Republican.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. I asked myself how such a person could 'misspeak' and call the Reagans heroes of the AIDS

crisis. We all know what she is capable of. This is why it is so distressing hearing her say things like that. It was at Bill's nominating convention that the country first heard directly about Reagan and Bush's refusal to act on AIDS. And yet she said that.
I don't know what to think and I am not happy at all that she did that. She did that, unasked. I don't get it. And her supporters very clearly think it is funny or not important. I thought very differently of this Party until she said that. I thought she had helped us win that battle against Reagan. I had no idea she was entirely divorced from the very reality that was presented as being their reality in 92.

You guys can make light, you always have and always will. I really don't care. But this was very much a bad, bad thing. I can't figure it out. I don't think I really want to.

But that's what many of you want to hear, Nancy and Ronnie were great. This Party is full of Reagan Democrats. Who all sided with Death's Head with a bone in his mouth.

Just whatever. She was amazing on the day you speak of. Good for her.

[stillwaiting]

20. She was fighting for herself. She is fierce when she does that.

Bernie is fierce when he fights for US.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Clinton Persecution Complex, when all else fails. Howard Dean's pulling it out today too.

[MinnieBlum]

21. I am a Democrat. If Hillary's the nominee she has my vote. If Bernie's the nominee, he has mine.

I agree with OP: Hillary is tough. She's been through wars for the past 25 years. And if she is the nominee she'll stand a better chance of providing coattails to Democratic candidates than Bernie can. And sometimes, reading on here, I get the impression that some of Bernie's most virulent supporters think if he can just get elected, it doesn't matter if the Congress stays in the hands of the GOP, Bernie will just magically be able to bend Congress to his will. It doesn't work that way, folks. And Bernie knows it too, despite the promises. I too wish it did. As President Obama has shown, a progressive President can barely even get through Congress modest versions of his campaign promises (Affordable Care Act).

Bernie's campaign promises would probably not be realistic if the Democrats got an overwhelming majority in Congress - and we know they won't.

I don't care whether Hillary or Bernie wins, but one of them must win because the future of our country depends on the future makeup of the Supreme Court.

[BernieforPres2016]

41. Stop misrepresenting Bernie and his supporters

<And sometimes, reading on here, I get the impression that some of Bernie's most virulent supporters think if he can just get elected, it doesn't matter if the Congress stays in the hands of the GOP, Bernie will just magically be able to bend Congress to his will. It doesn't work that way, folks. And Bernie knows it too, despite the promises.>

Bernie says over and over in his speeches that a President can not do it alone, that it will require a political revolution. He is talking about it in Columbus, OH as I am typing this. Bernie's supporters understand this.

And we also understand that you are a Hillary supporter despite your claim that you don't care if Hillary or Bernie wins. By lying about Bernie, you give yourself away.

[democrattotheend]

50. I agree with some of what you said, but disagree about the coattails

I think Bernie could have more coattails because his supporters seem more enthusiastic and he is bringing more infrequent or new voters to the polls.

I also want to reiterate that most of us don't have some grand delusion that if Bernie gets elected, we will immediately get universal healthcare, free college, and a pony to go with it. I don't think Bernie has any such delusions either.

[MinnieBlum]

78. Glad to hear that

But the impression I get is so many of them actually do think Bernie will get all that through Congress subito presto. Like the other - rather rude so I won't bother replying - person responding to my thread. The "revolution" isn't going to happen. Too much of the country is too far to the right and has been since Reagan. I guess they are too young to remember how difficult it was for even a centrist Democrat like Clinton to get elected after 12 years of Republican domination.

I thought in 2008 that President Obama = a political revolution. Nope. Obama's a man of extraordinary gifts, certainly far more than Bernie Sanders, and if he couldn't do it - Sanders certainly can't.

I'll just be happy to see Scalia's slot filled by a progressive justice.

[BernieforPres2016]

84. Obama hasn't even made the effort

He has revealed himself to be a corporatist like Hillary.

You are an apologist for corporatists masquerading as progressives and don't appear to recognize an actual progressive when you see one.

[Logical]

22. "Most people would have folded up or lost it." pure 100% bullshit. Proof of that? nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

25. Most people would have fought against accusations that were untrue.

With just as much spinal metal. What is the point of this post? Fighting against accusations (sometimes, for months) goes on across the country by those facing the death penalty every day...

and yes, I hope some of you see what I did there.

[liberal_at_heart]

26. And she has learned from those Republicans well. She uses the exact same campaign tactics that

the Republicans use which is exactly why I'm not worried about how Bernie would handle attacks from the Republicans.

[Persondem]

46. "campaign tactics" ... like spying on another campaign's databases? Oh wait ...

[TM99]

85. Oh, wait, who spied on Obama's

databases in 2008 and Dead decided the scandal wasn't worth it?

Oh yes, the Clinton Machine.

Now add rat-fucking by Brock, throw in some artful smears from the queen herself, and toss that with an ever growing list of lies, woo boy, we got some fantastic 'campaign tactics'.

[Persondem]

87. So I Googled this "2008 clinton spied on obama databases" and got zip. The second link was about

Sander's stealing Clinton's info.

Like I said ... hyperbole

[TM99]

89. Nope, in an interview on MSNBC

Dean described what had happened between Obama and Clinton concerning a similar data breach. They kept it in house and did not run to the press.

Go find the interview in the archives on MSNBC.

[amborin]

29. and she prevaricated about her relationship with Blumenthal

[pdsimdars]

30. I have seen people from all walks in life with "steel" in their spine

There are many UFC fighters with steel in their spine, but that does not qualify them to be president. If you could bite a bullet in half, it would not qualify you to be president. There have been many GREAT men (and women) with actual physical weaknesses, who were superior human beings none-the-less.

The most important quality is judgement. And Hillary Clinton is on the WRONG side most of the time. She makes the wrong decisions.

[liberal_at_heart]

33. My father in law was one of those kinds of people. I would not have wanted him to be president.

[Persondem]

48. So if she and Bernie voted alike 93% of the time does that mean Bernie makes bad decisions too?

You Sanders folks are just so over the top with your hyperbolic nonsense it's ridiculous.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Word

[white_wolf]

37. No one is denying that she's tough.

However, she has no principles. She'll say and do whatever it takes to win. That's my problem with HRC

[democrattotheend]

47. I admire her toughness and resiliance

These are two of her best qualities, IMO. She is not my first choice for the nomination but there are definitely qualities I admire about her.

[revbones]

49. Meh, it's easy when it's a fake conspiracy. Now how about the real ones?

[oasis]

54. Hill has what it takes to lead. Unshakable, unsinkable. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

55. It was one of the higher points for her, in the past 8 months.

Low points include "what, with a cloth", pretending to be a befuddled grandma on IT questions and then a month later kowtowing to the FBI on making sure no one can encrypt their iphones while posing as some sort of tech expert.

Also trying lamely to justify ties to Wall St. "because nineeleven".

Also hand-waving away "free speech etc" concerns while making noises identical to the ones being made by Trump at the time, on the subject of censoring internet content.



Those were some low points.

[MelSC]

58. She's tough as nails

And I love her for that.

[jfern]

60. Bernie supporters in Polk, Iowa had to sit for 11 hours because of Hillary obstructionism

[liberal_at_heart]

62. Well said!

[Dem2]

64. If you don't like the caucus system, push to change it.

Them's the rules.

Comparing 11 hours in front of people in Congress aiming to destroy you, to caucusing may be the most ridiculous comparison I've ever heard in my entire life. Thanks for the laugh.

[liberal_at_heart]

66. My state has a fabulous mail in primary system that works great especially for disabled people.

My husband is legally blind and loves the mail in ballot primary. Only problem is that the Democratic Party has decided to get all of its delegates from the caucus this year. Now my legally blind husband has to negotiate his way around a crowded, loud, confusing caucus that makes voting more difficult. So thanks for trivializing and laughing at such a serous issue. Oh, and by the way my way of pushing to change the system is to leave the damn party. 40% of Americans are now Independents. Good luck winning in November after alienating 40% of the country with all this corrupt party caucus crap.

[Dem2]

68. I hate caucuses

I don't like being in a place like that for that period of time - I'd never caucus if that's what we had in my state.

So, not trivializing it at all, but the comparison was just a cheap shot at Hillary and a terrible one at that.

I'm registered as an independent too.

Most here aren't all that different, I just refuse to toss cheap-shot bombs at either candidate.

[liberal_at_heart]

71. I don't see how saying that voters who withstand 11 hours of caucusing are being just as brave as

Hillary being grilled by Republicans for 11 hours is a cheap shot? The voters should be commended for doing their civil duty. Hillary did withstand 11 hours of grilling from Republicans. That does not necessarily mean she is qualified to be president. My father in law was tough as nails. Doesn't mean I wanted him to be president.

[farleftlib]

65. Woot! There it is!

Hillary - tireless for her own self-aggrandizement. Her supporters - for cheating Sanders!

Whatever it takes (TM).

[840high]

86. .^that x100+

[bklyncowgirl]

72. I admire her for that too, she's one tough lady, but I'm voting for Sanders in the primary.

It's a matter of the issues. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I will remember that moment when I vote for her in November.

[Raine]

77. I respected her after the way she handled the scum that was out to get her but

she didn't win my vote.

[Skwmom]

80. Unlike Bernie, she only engages in softball interviews. So what should that tell you?

She thinks she CANNOT handle tough interviews (and she is the best judge of her ability).

In addition, it was not 11 hours work of attacks. Almost all the Democrats used their time to give speeches
in her defense and she went on and on in her answers to eat up time.

Bernie has handled one tough interview after another.

[Number23]

81. I don't know, the more spittle flecked and raving the attacks the more I start to respect her

[Bonobo]

83. "One tough lady"

Always struck me as an ironic bit of sexism.

As if anyone would ever say "one tough man" and think that was reason enough to impress them...

Ironic.

[noamnety]

88. Everytime I see this thread I think of the OJ trial

He endured an 8 month long trial, and I guess that shows strength. He's one tough man.

But it's not a reason I would vote for him.

[grossproffit]

97. Wow.

[noamnety]

108. That sums my feelings up perfectly.

As a veteran, watching someone lie about trying to enlist to advance their career, then vote to send other people into combat to advance their career, then lie about getting shot at in a combat area to advance their career, and then lauded in combat metaphors because they sat in a chair for 11 hours enduring "nonstop attacks and verbal cannons" ...

I don't know. I don't even have words for that feeling.

[DesertRat]

94. She earned a lot of people's admiration that day

Well said. k&r

[grossproffit]

95. She's a hero to millions.

This forum is a very small portion of the Democratic party. A very, very small portion.

[Betty Karlson]

100. A hero to millions of dollars, certainly.

Any news on the Goldman Sachs transcripts yet?

[grossproffit]

96. Did you see the classy "F*** Her!" button post from earlier?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511484652

and some have the audacity to say that sexism isn't a factor.

The OP's been deleted but it was a woman with a button that read "Fuck Her!" worn by a Bernie supporter.

[Betty Karlson]

99. Well, she lost it completely at a funeral.

Maybe she is only tough when she has hours to prepare against people who are worse than she is?

But a president needs to make decisions in a snap. We can't afford for her to prepare every decision with polls and fcous groups and whatnot.

And moreover: why should the entire political discourse of this country be conducted on GOP terms? That kind of sheltered upper-class worldview is hardly realistic.

Clinton is a silent homophobe who won't own up to her mistakes and instead only weasel around the issue: "I mispoke, I misplaced a distinction". Be careful whom you admire. It's only a matter of time before she backstabs you too - unless you are a part of the 1 %?

[Aerows]

103. Or, like most people

they would choose to not fuck up spectacularly in the first place, thereby preventing the whole situation.

[FarPoint]

105. Absolutely brutal....

Political Waterboarding it was.....and she survived with Grace. I keep this memory of her enduring torture by the GOP with prepared, falsified claims....

[JustAnotherGen]

106. She showed grit