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Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:37 PM

The Congressional Record on the Auto Bailout. Sanders Co-Sponsored Inhofe's bill to Block Funds

The Congressional Record on the Auto Bailout. Sanders Co-Sponsored Inhofe's bill to Block Funds
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Congressional Record, December 11, 2008 - Inhofe (R-OK) gave a special shout-out to Bernie Sanders for co-sponsoring his bill to block the Auto Bailout along with the right wing Senators pictured above.

Now this is an interesting bit of information. It explains why Inhofe is his friend. They both opposed the bailout of the Auto Industry.

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Reply The Congressional Record on the Auto Bailout. Sanders Co-Sponsored Inhofe's bill to Block Funds (Original post)
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 OP
revbones Mar 2016 #1
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #3
revbones Mar 2016 #5
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #9
revbones Mar 2016 #10
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #12
revbones Mar 2016 #15
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #17
revbones Mar 2016 #20
jillan Mar 2016 #19
revbones Mar 2016 #21
ucrdem Mar 2016 #31
DURHAM D Mar 2016 #4
revbones Mar 2016 #6
lunamagica Mar 2016 #23
revbones Mar 2016 #25
lunamagica Mar 2016 #26
revbones Mar 2016 #27
lunamagica Mar 2016 #28
revbones Mar 2016 #29
lunamagica Mar 2016 #30
revbones Mar 2016 #32
Dragonfli Mar 2016 #38
ezgoingrl Mar 2016 #51
Dragonfli Mar 2016 #41
revbones Mar 2016 #45
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #48
ucrdem Mar 2016 #2
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #7
revbones Mar 2016 #18
jillan Mar 2016 #22
revbones Mar 2016 #8
ucrdem Mar 2016 #11
jillan Mar 2016 #13
beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16
revbones Mar 2016 #14
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #35
revbones Mar 2016 #24
AzDar Mar 2016 #33
litlbilly Mar 2016 #34
Dragonfli Mar 2016 #37
Lucinda Mar 2016 #36
Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #39
ucrdem Mar 2016 #40
Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #42
ucrdem Mar 2016 #43
Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #46
AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #44
Onlooker Mar 2016 #47
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #49
dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #50
Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #52
Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #53
AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #54

Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:40 PM

1. Might want to review your facts.

 

Bernie voted for the auto bailout. Against TARP - which Hillary voted for and was meant to funnel money to her fat cat friends on Wall St. It just happened to have some funds that got reappropriated toward the auto bailout later and that had nothing to do with the votes.

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Response to revbones (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:45 PM

3. He cosigned a the Bill to deny funds for the Auto Bailout.

Read the article.
He voted to bankrupt companies with several million highly paid, middle class, union jobs.

This also explains while Inhofe is a friend.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:46 PM

5. Show me the link to the bill he voted on.

 

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Response to revbones (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:47 PM

9. Read the article. It is all there.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:48 PM

10. Don't have it?

 

Then don't claim it happened.

Edited to remove "congressional record" part because that was from a diff comment.

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Response to revbones (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:53 PM

12. If you don't want to check it out, that's fine. But Here is the Congressional record.

https://www.congress.gov/crec/2008/10/01/CREC-2008-10-01.pdf#page=46

Link to the bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/3683/cosponsors?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22%5C%22s3683%5C%22%22%5D%7D&resultIndex=1

S.3683 - A bill to amend the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act to require approval by the Congress for certain expenditures for the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

Fortunately, Democrats made sure there were funds to save several million jobs.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:54 PM

15. That's TARP

 



Not the auto bailout. So your complaint is that he voted on an ammendment on TARP??? Soooo ridiculous.

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Response to revbones (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:56 PM

17. I note your pleasure

at the loss of those jobs.

Fortunately real liberals and progressives saved them.

While Republicans conservatives like Inhofe chose to destroy the auto industry.

Goodbye.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:58 PM

20. George Bush is a real liberal?

 

He's the one that used the TARP funds for the auto bailout.

Wow. You guys really need to read before posting.

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Response to revbones (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:58 PM

19. Can you believe this? lol! Also funny that they cannot comprehend that you can be friends

with someone that you have nothing in common with
Which is what Bernie said at the townhall

Biting my tongue here. Very hard.

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Response to jillan (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:59 PM

21. Must be clowns in here.

 

Because surely this was just an elaborate joke post.

Just wow.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:33 AM

31. Good catch. Bookmarking. nt

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Response to revbones (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:45 PM

4. Is the Congressional Record wrong? nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:46 PM

6. Show me the link to the voted on bill

 

If as you claim its in the congressional record (the auto bailout bill and not TARP which was not the auto bailout bill) then provide a link, otherwise don't claim it's in the record.

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Response to revbones (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:02 AM

23. You may want to check your facts about TARP

Before the vote, it was discussed at length how it would save the auto industry.

Sen. Gary Peters explained it it on the Hayes show

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:04 AM

25. Sure. Guess that's why you've got a link

 

to the floor speeches, or the text of the bill containing that language.

Fact is, you don't because it doesn't exist.

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Response to revbones (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:09 AM

26. All I can give you is a link to the Hayes show

http://www.msnbc.com/all you can look for the video there.

I see it's really hard for you to accept the fact that Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton saved the auto industry. Get over it.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:11 AM

27. Wow. Willful ignorance.

 

No, it's hard for me when I've read the facts of the situation, to put up with falsehoods and distortions.

And now the ridiculously laughable statement that Hillary Clinton saved the auto industry. No she voted to funnel money to her fat cat friends on Wall St. The president just opted to use some of the TARP funds that had not been disbursed yet for the auto bailout, because it didn't pass congress.

Get. Your. Facts. Straight.

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Response to revbones (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:15 AM

28. I'm sorry, the willful ignorance is yours. The people who were there

told what happened.You know better than they do?

You make a choice to ignore the facts because they make your candidate look bad

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:20 AM

29. Meh, you're just making it up at this point.

 

There's the congressional record which proves you wrong. There are any number of articles online that explain it.

Meh, nobody believes what you guys wrote in this thread anyway. Have at it.

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Response to revbones (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:28 AM

30. No, you don't believe it, that's all...Oh, and Jim Inhofe? Climate change denier

Jim Inhofe?

Of all Republicans, he picks that one?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:35 AM

32. You have no facts.

 

You distort what's in the congressional record because the DailyKos poster wrote that he looked it up. If you read the comments there, you see that he doesn't have anything specific other than a letter that mentioned auto loans and a bunch of misleading statements.

I'd be open to truth. This is just pathetic.

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Response to revbones (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:08 AM

38. See post #37

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Response to revbones (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:20 AM

41. I believe proof or truth doesn't matter, the post has to do with the "Big Lie" Stategy that Brock

and the Clinton campaign are using as a large tool in their dirty tricks box.

His "internet specialists" (legal supposedly, but based on a very loose interpretation on a loop hole)
can be paid by a super-PAC to coordinate directly with her campaign if it is only involved via the internet,

Some of these employees are paid to post an all forms of social media, and often do, especially when it regards the Big Lie tactics when they are used, which rely on repetition of the lie in order to make people believe the lie even when faced with solid facts to the contrary.

Expect this lie to be continuously spread, along with other lies pushed as truth via the Big Lie tactic that they have been employing liberally. (perhaps the only true sentence involving the word liberally in connection with Clinton, a right wing candidate within the Democratic party.)

Joseph Goebbels: On the "Big Lie"

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:33 AM

45. Agreed.

 

It's also pointless to argue with those putting out junk like this, since they can't admit they've been proven wrong. Worse yet their stance stems from someone on DailyKos that said they looked it up. lol Careful reading of the comments, shows there is still a lack of proof on their part. I'm done with this one.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:21 AM

48. Yet another excellent post from you!

Spot on, all of it. Have a good one.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:42 PM

2. Not surprised a bit.

Let's see, Bernie hated the TARP. And ACA. And TPP. And NAFTA. And he's not so keen on Barack. Or Hillary. Or Bill. Or Democrats. Which he's never been and in fact still isn't.

Which makes him a what again?

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:47 PM

7. He likes Inhofe, and in this bill, liked what Inhofe stood for.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:56 PM

18. His point was about working with people he disagreed with

 

You guys complain he can't work with congress. He says that he disagrees with someone and works with them, and you even show an amendment he worked with him on apparently and you.

This is laughable.

His whole statement was about disagreeing with Inhofe on issues but liking him personally. Now you try to twist that to mean he agreed with him on issues??? Ridiculous. Just give it up.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:00 AM

22. Do you not have any friends that you do not agree with? Most of us do.

One of my favorite people is a die hard republican. I love her to death, I'd do anything for her.

But I do not talk to her about politics, climate change, unions, etc etc etc. Doesn't mean we can't be friends FFS!

Altho I did help her get set up with Obamacare

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:47 PM

8. A principled person. nt

 

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Response to revbones (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:52 PM

11. Fine, but they aren't necessarily Democratic principles,

which I happen to favor. I'm not sure I favors Sanders' and I'm not talking about his paper-thin "socialism."

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:53 PM

13. You do know that when TARP was written Bush was the President & it was NOT for the auto industry?

It was written to bail out Wall Street and the Banksters.

Later after Obama came in he decided to use some of the funds for the auto bailout.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2016/03/07/clintons-charges-that-sanders-did-not-support-auto-rescue-is-wrong/#1cf6c156582b

How many times does this have to be posted??????????????????????????????????????????????

Secretary Clinton is chastising Sanders in the Motor State for not voting for the bill that created the funding for an auto bailout. Except, it wasn’t known that the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bill, designed to bail out Wall Street banks from their subprime mortgage loan debacle that was crashing the economy, would be used to rescue the auto industry at the time Senators Sanders and Clinton voted on it. Clinton voted yay. Sanders voted nay. It was President Bush who signed the bill into law.


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Response to jillan (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:55 PM

16. How many times? Good question. Facts are such pesky things.

Maybe they'll get it eventually.

Good job, btw!


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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:53 PM

14. Good timeline disproving this thread

 

Here is a summary of what happened:
•In late 2008, President George Bush made a start of cleaning his messes by passing the Financial Industry Bailout.
•Bernie Sanders voted against this Bailout, claiming that Main Street could not afford it, and that the money should not come from the middle class.
•Democrats passed a separate Auto Bailout bill, which Bernie Sanders voted for, but Republicans obstructed.
•When the Auto Industry needed funds to stay afloat, President Bush elected to use funds that had been designated for the Financial Industry Bailout to begin saving the Auto Industry.
•After his election, President Obama continued on the path that had begun under President Bush.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/7/1497706/-Did-Bernie-Sanders-vote-against-the-US-Auto-Industry-Bailout-Fact-Check-With-Poll

The congressional record will also prove all this. It would be nice for once if Hillary and her supporters stuck to facts and real policy positions, but I understand it's hard with she has nothing to stand on...

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Response to revbones (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:56 AM

35. Thanks for providing this timeline. Yes Bush was president when the bill was passed, and yes

Sanders did indeed vote against the bill. Just as your timeline shows.

"When the Auto Industry needed funds to stay afloat, President Bush elected to use funds that had been designated for the Financial Industry Bailout to begin saving the Auto Industry"

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:03 AM

24. I'm sure now that you've seen this as disproven

 

that you're going to apologize for posting something false.

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Response to revbones (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:36 AM

33. No interest in the TRUTH...just flinging shit, and hoping it sticks= Hillary in the last debate.

 

Ugly.

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Response to AzDar (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:47 AM

34. they cant even come up with new shit to fling, same old shit:)

 

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Response to revbones (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:01 AM

37. Perhaps, but I believe proof doesn't matter, it has to do with the "Big Lie" Stategy that Brock

and the Clinton campaign are using as a large tool in their dirty tricks box.

His "internet specialists" (legal supposedly, but based on a very loose interpretation on a loop hole)
can be paid by a super-PAC to coordinate directly with her campaign if it is only involved via the internet,

Some of these employees are paid to post an all forms of social media, and often do, especially when it regards the Big Lie tactics when they are used, which rely on repetition of the lie in order to make people believe the lie even when faced with solid facts to the contrary.

Expect this lie to be continuously spread, along with other lies pushed as truth via the Big Lie tactic that they have been employing liberally. (perhaps the only true sentence involving the word liberally in connection with Clinton, a right wing candidate within the Democratic party.)

Joseph Goebbels: On the "Big Lie"

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”



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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:01 AM

36. Thank you!

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:09 AM

39. Repeating Revbone point for thick heads and time-wasters...

Bernie Sanders voted against (the banks) Bailout (TARP), claiming that Main Street could not afford it, and that the money should not come from the middle class.
•Democrats passed a separate Auto Bailout bill, which Bernie Sanders voted FOR...(my emphasis)


Republicans voted down the Auto Bailout bill that Bernie Sanders voted FOR. Then Bush, then Obama USED THE (Bank bailout) TARP MONEY A DIFFERENT WAY (to additionally bail out auto industry). This occurred AFTER TARP was passed and signed into law.

I frankly think we're dealing with trolls, into very bad behavior. I don't use "ignore" and I never agree to "hide" (in a jury) except once for a really foul racial slur. Cuz I want to see who posts this kind of crap--in addition to seeing the content of sincere posters with whom I disagree. I am an open-minded person. I like all genuine views to get an airing. I DON'T like the publication, thru DU, of outright lies like this one. I won't report it, though. I want all to see who you are and thus grow in wisdom when they see your names again or recognize your tactics under different avatars.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:13 AM

40. He voted against funding the bailout, AFTER the stand-alone auto bill had failed. Spin fail. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:26 AM

42. You're 100% wrong. The TARP vote was not on the auto bailout...

 

The TARP vote was the banking bailout.

After it passed, President Obama went into the TARP fund, and used part of the money for the auto bailout. But nobody knew it would be used for that when they voted on it.

That is the basis of Hillary's false claim that Bernie voted against auto bailout money. Because some of the TARP money did end up being used for that. But nobody knew that it would be at the time when they voted on it.

People spreading this lie don't understand what type of damage they are causing. Debate should be over real issues, not on lies and distortions.

This claim has been refuted by Democratic Senators and many other people in the know like David Axelrod. News anchor Poppy Harlowe refuted this claim as a point of objective fact on CNN today when one of Hillary's surrogates repeated it.

These smears are angering a lot of people and this is the reason why you see so many life long Democrats saying things like they just can't vote for Hillary in the fall. This is the reason.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:29 AM

43. Hillary is right, and yes he voted against the bailout, which is what I said. But do go on. nt

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:36 AM

46. Hillary is a liar. He didn't vote against the auto bailout, or against the money for the bailout.

 


Yes some of the money ended up being used for that, about $85 million of it, but they didn't know it would be used for that when they voted on it. The vote was to release phase 2 of TARP money, and President Obama decided to use some of it for the auto industry bailout after the fact.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:12 AM

47. Bernie was torn about the auto bailout for good reason, but seems to have supported it

 

This is from 2008.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2008/12/transcript-bernie-sanders-economy-bailouts-19-december-2008

... anyone who thinks that a lot of the Republican opposition to this automobile bailout -- when the Republicans defeated it a couple of weeks ago -- didn't have a lot to do with trying to destroy the United Automobile Workers and to in fact drive down wages--which are already plummeting in the automobile industry -- is sorely mistaken.

Now some listeners may say, "Well you know, frankly I don't live in Detroit, I don't make cars -- why should I worry about it?" Here's why you should worry about it. Historically the gold standard for manufacturing workers was the automobile industry. Workers there earned good wages. They had good benefits. They had a strong union. They had a pension program, and so forth. And by raising that standard, it meant that in non-union manufacturing in the state of Vermont, or the state of Arizona, you had a standard by which people had to respond to. And if in your gold standard area wages go down, so that people are entering the automobile industry now making 14 bucks an hour with lower benefits, how do you think people are going to make a living wage working in a non-union shop elsewhere in this country?

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Response to Onlooker (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:24 AM

49. Good info, thanks - eom

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:25 AM

50. IMHO, this is one of the more deceitful and disgusting OP's I've ever seen - eom

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:52 AM

52. Kicked and recommended.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:58 AM

53. Bernie Sanders voted for the Auto Bailout.

December 11, 2008:

“Vermont's two U.S. Senators, Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders, say they're reluctantly supporting a $15 billion rescue package for the nation's auto industry.”

“Both senators say that allowing Ford, General Motors or Chrylser to fall into bankruptcy could affect a lot of auto related jobs in Vermont.”

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/83206/leahy-sanders-reluctantly-support-auto-industry-re/

December 12, 2008:

“Senate roll call on $14B auto bailout"

Vermont

Leahy (D) Yes; Sanders (I) Yes.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Dec12/0,4675,SenateRollCallAutos,00.html

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:19 AM

54. More Omnibus TARP cherry-picking gotcha from Team Weathervane.

 

Clinton admitted they both voted for the auto bailout during the last debate. Doubling down on this exposed and ridiculed tactic is hilarious. Oppo research goes poof.

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