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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 08:59 PM Mar 2016

I'll admit it. I am massively depressed and angry and bitter tonight

I haven't given up on Bernie, and whatever happens I hope he fights all the way through. An upset is still possible.

But realistically speaking it looks like the Democratic Establishment has imposed the Big Clampdown.

So much for Liberalism, Reform, Fresh Air and "Can Do" Enthusiasm. So much for Real Healthcare Reform. Real Financial Reform. So much for any hope of Anti-Trust actions. So much for Fair Trade.

It will either be eight years of Dems in the Wilderness or eight years of Smug Democrat Elite Corporate Wall Street Domination. Pat those annoying liberals and progressives on the head and get back to business as usual of screwing the American people behind a sunny smile. I'm sure the Upper 20 percent are relieved. "Whew we dodged a bullet."

Let the Big Con Contionue.

Yes I will support the Dem nominee. blah, blah. But I'm gonna need a really tight clothespin in November.

Hopefully I'll feel better about this, and may self-delete this.



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I'll admit it. I am massively depressed and angry and bitter tonight (Original Post) Armstead Mar 2016 OP
"looks like the Democratic voters have imposed the Big Clampdown" corrected for you. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2016 #1
Propaganda and brand names work wonders Armstead Mar 2016 #5
Or maybe some folks just don't think your candidate is the best pick? Adrahil Mar 2016 #85
I don't. I realize there are people who like her or don't like him. Armstead Mar 2016 #88
OK. I don't agree with that assessment, but there ya go. Have a good night. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #92
The voters voted. Simple as that. riversedge Mar 2016 #104
"Best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" davidn3600 Mar 2016 #122
It's a massive loss for everyone except the those at the top. Broward Mar 2016 #2
The "You're too STUPID to vote for my candidate" excuse. Haven't heard that one for awhile... brooklynite Mar 2016 #6
It's a massive win for people like you. Broward Mar 2016 #14
idiocracy vs corporatocracy dana_b Mar 2016 #66
That sounds about right, nt. Broward Mar 2016 #71
true marions ghost Mar 2016 #116
Now, by "Big Clampdown" you mean "letting Democrats vote for the candidate of their choice"? brooklynite Mar 2016 #3
I said I am pissed and bitter -- at a lot of things Armstead Mar 2016 #17
Just out of curiousity Karma13612 Mar 2016 #44
Were you this scared of the Obama Administration? brooklynite Mar 2016 #52
? I was against Clinton back then. I was for Obama. Not sure what you are Karma13612 Mar 2016 #67
What??? Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #93
Obama is a decent human being with integrity Armstead Mar 2016 #103
I think there is no retirement for us Karma... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #84
+100 . Gawd I don't want to keep working beyond my abilities. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #102
You have the candidate you deserve. Beowulf Mar 2016 #50
I have the candidate the Democratic Party is asking for...I think they call that "democracy" brooklynite Mar 2016 #54
How appropriate you used quotes around democracy! Beowulf Mar 2016 #97
Don't self delete PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #4
If I was single, and a few decades younger, I would leave the present US as well. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #59
I am not young myself PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #65
In some ways, I kinda wish Trudeau hadn't even made the joke about Karma13612 Mar 2016 #76
I could be in Canada in an hour. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #82
40 minutes if I go the speed limit. :-) Karma13612 Mar 2016 #94
If she even hints... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #7
I'm with you. I hope Hillary wins big in the general NightWatcher Mar 2016 #8
My health on that day will be determined by her behavior Armstead Mar 2016 #21
If that is the future, I live in NY. pangaia Mar 2016 #38
yeah, it gets pretty chilly dana_b Mar 2016 #74
I live in New England...The weather can do strange things to one's system in November Armstead Mar 2016 #101
I'm done with politics. Barack_America Mar 2016 #9
i felt that way in '74 when nixon DesertFlower Mar 2016 #22
I believe it was 1972. He resigned in 1974. CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #37
you're right. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #78
We're fucked. Conservatives have taken over both parties. Broward Mar 2016 #46
That's it right there. RiverLover Mar 2016 #91
I appreciate your post. Misery loves company as they say. Broward Mar 2016 #95
+1. Please do not self-delete. You echo my thoughts exactly. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #10
it really illustrates the difficulty of going up against the establishment....as a Democrat virtualobserver Mar 2016 #11
Secretary Clinton is more than capable of imploding DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #12
Yep ezgoingrl Mar 2016 #13
I've Said It Many, Many Times Already! Kissing Democrats Good-Bye, After I ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #42
I doubt things will go as you or anyone else expects. randome Mar 2016 #15
I appreciate that but I donlt have much hope for that Armstead Mar 2016 #25
"help keep pushing her and her supporters further left". This is a seriously terrible... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #27
The movement to the right in the 80s and 90s was born out of necessity, I think. randome Mar 2016 #41
If that were true, the DNC would have been all in for Bernie... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #45
Sanders, despite his age, isn't 'old school'. But the DNC is. randome Mar 2016 #61
Hard to come out of the bunker when you're locked inside by the fatcats Doremus Mar 2016 #87
Unfortunately too many of those bunkers are lined with gold Armstead Mar 2016 #110
It is the people (voters) who push the candidates and force social change. Not,the,other way around. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #121
I'm not angry or bitter bigwillq Mar 2016 #16
I expected it too...But hope springs eternal Armstead Mar 2016 #29
i am with you. restorefreedom Mar 2016 #18
even if bernie does not win, his DesertFlower Mar 2016 #19
Exactly, whatever happens stopwastingmymoney Mar 2016 #34
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ The change must come from the bottom jwirr Mar 2016 #64
Mine too mvd Mar 2016 #20
Bernie is just getting started killbotfactory Mar 2016 #23
I have a list of Bernie followers that I am donating to. I will jwirr Mar 2016 #75
I still stand by my prediction: Trump will win against Clinton. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #24
+1 dana_b Mar 2016 #68
Me too. Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #26
Hillary's massive organization encouraged early voting and her supporters did exactly that. LonePirate Mar 2016 #28
I guess she learned one lesson from 2008 democrattotheend Mar 2016 #57
I'm sorry. I know that feeling all too well. grossproffit Mar 2016 #30
YOU ARE NOT ALONE! I'll Still Be A Bernie Supporter, But I NOW Completely ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #31
Yep, I think so too. Luciferous Mar 2016 #43
I am hoping "the revolution" continues. We need more young people getting involved. bettyellen Mar 2016 #32
I've been going for the long game since 1980 (and before) ...Getting too damn long for me Armstead Mar 2016 #40
Me too- been disappointed with young voters since I was one. I am really hoping awareness bettyellen Mar 2016 #48
I'm joining the pity party... PassingFair Mar 2016 #33
I'm with you Shadowflash Mar 2016 #35
as soon as we vote for Bernie in the CA primary, my husband and i are both leaving the Dem party; amborin Mar 2016 #36
No need to dawdle... brooklynite Mar 2016 #39
ROFL! democrats are those who uphold democratic principles and values, not those loyal to the "D" amborin Mar 2016 #56
as will I dana_b Mar 2016 #98
So because one candidate didn't get nominated, it's all over? CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #47
It isn't just one candidate...I'm feeling the crap of the last 35 years bearing down Armstead Mar 2016 #55
Have a good cry, you'll be ok nt firebrand80 Mar 2016 #49
I don''t cry. I throw things Armstead Mar 2016 #60
Just think, now you can direct your bitterness at hoping Clinton fails. Hoyt Mar 2016 #51
Naw I'll just get politically apathetic marked by occasional perioids of outrage Armstead Mar 2016 #63
Why not focus on some sweet congressional races this Fall? bettyellen Mar 2016 #70
I live in one of those blue places where Dems are basically good and secure Armstead Mar 2016 #72
Me too, but I try to adopt a candidate out of state. Do some phone banking..... bettyellen Mar 2016 #96
America has pretty much decided. OnlinePoker Mar 2016 #53
I am awash in pessimism Trajan Mar 2016 #58
EVery single Voting place in my town was totally full today-in IL What gives??? Bern2WinUSA Mar 2016 #99
People are afraid of radical change npk Mar 2016 #62
What's frustrating is that Bernie isn't radical Armstead Mar 2016 #69
All I know if I feel this discouraged at age 66 I can't imagine how sad it must be Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #73
I'm under 40... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #77
This isn't a choice Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #79
yup we're fucked ibegurpard Mar 2016 #80
Please don't self-delete. You are feeling what a lot of us are feeling. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #81
I'm a huge Bernie supporter. Deadshot Mar 2016 #83
She's got me for one day in November. That's it. Armstead Mar 2016 #89
Not going to happen to this old hag... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #100
I don't pay attention to those people. Deadshot Mar 2016 #123
k&r anything can still happen nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #86
From your post to God's ear... Armstead Mar 2016 #90
I guess I think that the revolution is a lot closer even if Vattel Mar 2016 #105
Hopefully my optimism will return tomorrow Armstead Mar 2016 #107
Hillary is winning this thing FAIR AND SQUARE!!!!! beaglelover Mar 2016 #106
Yeah okay whatever.... Armstead Mar 2016 #108
You just keep telling yourself that. chervilant Mar 2016 #113
Aww.....you mad 'bro??? Need a hug???? beaglelover Mar 2016 #114
This was rigged from day 1 davidn3600 Mar 2016 #124
Oh FFS, what utter bullshit. Your candidate beaglelover Mar 2016 #133
I'm furious at the media. If Bernie had gotten half of Trump's coverage.... Dems to Win Mar 2016 #109
Now Do You Think She Will... WiffenPoof Mar 2016 #111
"We don't care. We don't have to." Armstead Mar 2016 #112
He's the most clearly and unapologetically left-leaning candidate to perform so competitively since Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #115
They did take notice...and crushed it by any means necessary Armstead Mar 2016 #117
Sorry. I hear you. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #118
Sorry, but with this kind of defeatism we would still be British subjects. Skwmom Mar 2016 #119
You're correct. But sometimes one just has to vent Armstead Mar 2016 #120
Hi! I am new to DU! My first post. Seeinghope Mar 2016 #125
Welcome to DU GP6971 Mar 2016 #127
Thank you! Seeinghope Mar 2016 #129
Welcome to DU. Thanks for having your first post here. Armstead Mar 2016 #130
I didn't even feel this sad in 2004 loyalsister Mar 2016 #126
This is exactly how Im feeling as well. bunnies Mar 2016 #132
Me too, Armstead. Chan790 Mar 2016 #128
me too ... shireen Mar 2016 #131
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
85. Or maybe some folks just don't think your candidate is the best pick?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

I understand disappointment. But let's be careful about dismissing Clinton voters as gullible.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
88. I don't. I realize there are people who like her or don't like him.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

I would not be feeling this crappy if it were not that each of them represent bigger things than the personal beauty contest.

And I wouldn;t be so angry if it had been fought honestly on a level playing field.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
122. "Best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

-Winston Churchill

Broward

(1,976 posts)
14. It's a massive win for people like you.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

It's more of a too ignorant argument, but yes some are too stupid too.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
116. true
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

Do they really think Hillary will do anything positive or progressive as president?

I guess they do.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. I said I am pissed and bitter -- at a lot of things
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Including the decision to vote for the Wal Mart of Democratic Politics.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
44. Just out of curiousity
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

When the number of people needing a better paying job or healthcare coverage increases under Clinton administration, when Goldmans Sachs takes up residence in the WH,

are you going to help those of us making crap money and working longer hours for less money than we did a decade ago??

No?

Didn't think so.

I am the 99%
I am scared of a Clinton presidency as much as I am a republican presidency.

For good reason.

I am 4 years from retirement and Hillary wants to means test my Social Security.
If I am left living in a cardboard box eating cat food, would you mind if I take over a small patch of your living room floor????????????????????????????????

No?

Didn't think so.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
67. ? I was against Clinton back then. I was for Obama. Not sure what you are
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

getting at?

Obama has done a great job.

I do not equate Obama and Clinton.

Yea, Obama is to the right of Bernie, but he isn't Clinton.
Since it's 3-15, I understand I can no longer criticize Hillary with inappropriate name calling. So, I cannot say why I dislike her. Lets just leave it that I don't like with whom she affiliates, and some of her past votes.

I don't make $50K per year.
And I am retireing in 4 years.
My retirement is going to be lean, very lean with Hillary or the republicans.

I am scared.
Get it?
Social safety nets are going away.

If I run out of money, how do I survive?

How?

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
93. What???
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

We were against Hillary this time and against her in 2000 - we were dreaming that Obama would win.

Stop trying to rile eveyone up and go toddle over to the Hillary link where Bernie supporters are banned.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
103. Obama is a decent human being with integrity
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

I haven't agreed with him on everything, but he is fundamentally good and has integrity. And I think were he allowed a third term he'd become more liberal.

Clinton Inc. is not the same thing at all.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
84. I think there is no retirement for us Karma...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

I think we are hopelessly going to work until we die. I have no more hope for social security if Hillary wins the WH. I am so beyond sad tonight.

I think I can't go on anymore as a Democrat. Perhaps I never was a Dem....just an old hippy who wishes I could have a good drink.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
102. +100 . Gawd I don't want to keep working beyond my abilities.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

I wanted to be able to just "BE".

Sleep soundly without worrying about my next work day.
Not worrying about keeping my productivity levels where the boss wants them.
Being able to have tea with a cookie midmorning while I ponder my afternoon adventure.

Playing with my paints and brushes in my little studio. I am not an artist but I love to play with all the supplies and create mixed media journal pages.

I want to listen to NPR at home during the day. Not some horrible commercial station that is going non-stop at work all day, while I am trying to concentrate on reading medical records to code.

I am tired of driving to and from work in snow and ice and fog.
Take long walks.
Just Be.

No fancy travel vacations.

Grow vegetables.
Read.
Feel rested when I wake, not like the Dunkin Donuts guy from years ago that used to meet himself at he front door coming/going to work. "Time to make the donuts".
Cook healthy meals.

Now, I am just a tired robot going from work to home to work to home.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
4. Don't self delete
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

Many people feel the same.

I will be caucusing March 26th for Bernie. It may well be the last electoral action I take in this country.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
65. I am not young myself
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

But, for the sake of my child, I need to look out for him. The future here is bleak.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
76. In some ways, I kinda wish Trudeau hadn't even made the joke about
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

Cape Breton.

If they did open the doors to Canada, I think they would be shocked how many would come join them.

I would.

We live close to Canada in Northern New York.

Its kinda torture knowing that they live the Bernie life up there.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
82. I could be in Canada in an hour.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

I have a lot to get in order here first, but that move becomes my number one goal from this point forward.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
94. 40 minutes if I go the speed limit. :-)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

Oh man.

So, what happens is this, the Bernie-minded people leave the US

Do we stay and fight?
Is it worth it?
I keep thinking this was our last chance.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
7. If she even hints...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

...at turning further right at any point in the next few months I may be compelled to not vote for her. I'm feeling the same way you do. I really don't get what her appeal is over Bernie, but I tend to focus on policy over identity.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
8. I'm with you. I hope Hillary wins big in the general
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

(so I don't have to try to hold my nose). I will if I HAVE to. I really hope that apathy doesn't strike us on Election Day.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
21. My health on that day will be determined by her behavior
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

If she isn't careful I may have a very bad cold that day.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
91. That's it right there.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

Biggest con in history.

I'm done with politics too. I hope. This is so pointless.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
95. I appreciate your post. Misery loves company as they say.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

Please don't take that the wrong way. It's just nice to see a kindred spirit.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
11. it really illustrates the difficulty of going up against the establishment....as a Democrat
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

They knew that Bernie was serious about what he was saying, and they didn't like it.

They thought Trump was a buffoon, so the establishment media cashed in on him, and now here we are with the Trump juggernaut.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
12. Secretary Clinton is more than capable of imploding
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

I just hope she doesn't wait until the general election.

ezgoingrl

(1,223 posts)
13. Yep
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

this election has turned this die hard into an independent, I'm afraid. I'll never ever feel the same way about this process again. And that's saying a lot.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
42. I've Said It Many, Many Times Already! Kissing Democrats Good-Bye, After I
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

fall on my sword! Will be the most hated vote I've ever cast and I'm afraid we'll pay a huge price for what has been done.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. I doubt things will go as you or anyone else expects.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton will have an army of aides to bring into the White House. Not all of them will be as 'evil' as you imagine her to be. The office changes the person and I think we will all be surprised by what results.

Stay optimistic and help keep pushing her and her supporters further left.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
25. I appreciate that but I donlt have much hope for that
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

Been round this merry go round too many times to believe that will happen.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
27. "help keep pushing her and her supporters further left". This is a seriously terrible...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

...narrative of this election cycle. She shouldn't need to be pushed left...she should have already been there.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
41. The movement to the right in the 80s and 90s was born out of necessity, I think.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

For the Democratic party, it was try to co-opt some of the right's issues or die. I don't think they realize that they no longer need to be afraid of the GOP. I mean look at how the GOP is self-destructing right now. So yes, I think they need to be 'guided' back to the left and into the light once more.

And Clinton is part of that 'old school' who once was afraid so she perhaps needs it more than anyone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
45. If that were true, the DNC would have been all in for Bernie...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

...and I think we can all acknowledge that that isn't the case.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
61. Sanders, despite his age, isn't 'old school'. But the DNC is.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

The DNC is very much wedded to prevailing Democratic sentiment which is still reeling from the Reagan Reign. And they don't need to be. It's like convincing someone to come out of their bunker and they're still too afraid to do so.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
87. Hard to come out of the bunker when you're locked inside by the fatcats
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

Not impossible to break out but it would take one hell of a will and I just don't see it, unfortunately.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
121. It is the people (voters) who push the candidates and force social change. Not,the,other way around.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:21 PM
Mar 2016

People have to speak out, influence, push, etc. Your work (and our work) is not done.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
16. I'm not angry or bitter
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

I expected Hillary to be the DEM nominee. Would have been a huge surprise to me if she wasn't. That's not to say my man Bernie hasn't put up a good fight--he has. But the odds were stacked against him. Hillary has the support of the party, big donors and a large chunk of voters who wanted to vote for her.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. i am with you.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

but we have to remember, the calendar IS favorable to bernie going forward. i think many of us got pumped by michigan and thought 2 or 3 wins were possible tonight. maybe not.

but some big states coming up.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
19. even if bernie does not win, his
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

words will go on. they will not be forgotten. change will come -- slowly. bernie opened up people's hearts and minds.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,042 posts)
34. Exactly, whatever happens
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie has changed the conversation, which was his stated goal at the beginning.

That is incredibly valuable all on its own

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
64. ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ The change must come from the bottom
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

now. We must work in our local communities while we keep an eye on what is going on in DC.

And remember we cannot remain silent. Bernie wanted a movement. I for one am still in it to win it.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
20. Mine too
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

I'm proud of Sanders though. The Party establishment was completely resistant to change, and that (combined with Clinton's name and money) hurt us this time. But don't despair - we aren't going away and they will need us.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
23. Bernie is just getting started
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

If he's worth his salt, he's going to start aiming to help flip congress, and maybe state government's in the general.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
26. Me too.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

I feel like a bunch of fools anointed the weakest candidate.
Also, Mics amplify voices, Hill. You don't have to raise your voice

LonePirate

(13,420 posts)
28. Hillary's massive organization encouraged early voting and her supporters did exactly that.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary's ground game won the night for her.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
31. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! I'll Still Be A Bernie Supporter, But I NOW Completely
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:08 PM
Mar 2016

believe with all my heart that something smells to high heaven. I've been around hundreds and hundreds of people, have seen rally after rally with thousands and thousands of people ALL for Bernie.

Just DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. Now, we're looking at what a REAL OLIGARCHY looks like!

Something is really messed up, but we'll never know how it happened. So many people I've talked to in other countries already have asked me what's wrong with us... I no longer have an answer. Too many people have been inspired by Bernie and he's raised millions after millions of dollars. THIS DOES NOT ADD UP!

Say what you will, but this seems very weird to me.

Outta here!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
32. I am hoping "the revolution" continues. We need more young people getting involved.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

But it is a long game- always has been.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
48. Me too- been disappointed with young voters since I was one. I am really hoping awareness
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

of the huge significance of the other two branches will be recognized by voters. That is a major change that needs to happen for any revolution to last more than four years or accomplish much.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
33. I'm joining the pity party...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

Wind is officially out of my sails. Entering doldrums.
So depressed that I will now have to function as an apologist for
Clinton when I could have been a full-throated supporter of Bernie.

Oh well. At least I won't have to rustle up any more donations.
I'll vote for Hillary, but honestly, I don't care who wins.

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
35. I'm with you
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

A great night for wall street bankers and for-profit prisons and insurance companies. The CEOs know that the fat bonuses they get by denying people healthcare are safe for another 4 years.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
36. as soon as we vote for Bernie in the CA primary, my husband and i are both leaving the Dem party;
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

my husband is disgusted by the corruption and won't vote for HRC under any conditions; he will write Bernie's name in; I will
probably do the same

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
47. So because one candidate didn't get nominated, it's all over?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

This is a self-defeating mentality. I thought this "movement" was about more than Sanders, but now I'm not so sure.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
60. I don''t cry. I throw things
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

I used to take a few glasses into the basement and throw them against the wall when I had a house asnd felt frustrated. Wonderfully theraputic. Now I live in apartment, so may resort to going outside and beating on a nearby tree.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
51. Just think, now you can direct your bitterness at hoping Clinton fails.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016

I actually empathize, I wanted Kerry to beat george war bush so badly I went into a funk for months. Hope that doesn't happen to you.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
63. Naw I'll just get politically apathetic marked by occasional perioids of outrage
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

Focus on local stuff and my own life, and hope the American democracy at least lasts as long as I do.

I've developed good coping mechanisms over the years.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
70. Why not focus on some sweet congressional races this Fall?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

There will be candidates that need good supporters.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
72. I live in one of those blue places where Dems are basically good and secure
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

I won't give up totally, but this is not one of those problematic parts of the country

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
96. Me too, but I try to adopt a candidate out of state. Do some phone banking.....
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:48 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not only in a blue area, I am in a corrupt and mobbed up, been threatened by our (future) mayor kind of place where I do not like to put in face time anymore. We have Dems here as disgusting as anyone at the Trump rallies, unfortunately.
I'll do some voter reg, and otherwise work out of state. It all helps!

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
53. America has pretty much decided.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

Your choice is going to be either a fascist or a corporate stooge. Pathetic.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
58. I am awash in pessimism
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

It is so unfortunate ....

I consider a win by Hillary to rank down there with January 2001 ....

Frankly, I don't see a difference ...

I am normally an optimistic person, but, deep inside, I cry for the children who will live in ever-growing poverty, with less clean air and clean water, and with a new Trade Deal that should finally kill off the Middle Class ...

I wanna blame ... I wanna castigate ...

The bankers and small percentage of DU are so happy .... The bankers will get what they paid for ...

It was all for naught ....

 

Bern2WinUSA

(44 posts)
99. EVery single Voting place in my town was totally full today-in IL What gives???
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

Your post is spot on.

Just feel like all is lost.

So tired of 'We the People' getting fucked over Every Time...

Cannot believe this... might not even vote in Nov..

Damnnation...

npk

(3,660 posts)
62. People are afraid of radical change
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is the non-status quo and he represents a huge leap of faith for people that are not astute followers of politics and trends. Hillary is the safe choice because she is the familiar choice and has the experience and more moderate policies that people are comfortable with. If America were being rebuilt from the ground up, it would be built in the image of what Bernie Sanders imagines, but unfortunately that is not where we are at yet in this country. IMO things have to get a lot worse in the country before we get to that.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
69. What's frustrating is that Bernie isn't radical
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

A lot of people who support Clinton for "pragmatic" reasons agree with Sanders on the issues and what they really believe in. I know many like that.

But it never gets translated into politics anymore.

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
73. All I know if I feel this discouraged at age 66 I can't imagine how sad it must be
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

To be under 40 and facing a corporatist government with no interest in making this country as great as it could be. Here's to The USA of Corporations.

I simply don't see young people wanting to have their hopes dashed again and again. I have. Feeling if Hillary is the nominee, she is going to face a very tough fight aheqd.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
77. I'm under 40...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

...and definitely not looking forward to having to wait 4 more years to try again for real change.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
80. yup we're fucked
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

Hope the younger generation doesn't give up hope and they're left with the means to make change.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
81. Please don't self-delete. You are feeling what a lot of us are feeling.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

This thread might be quite busy tonight.

Its a port in the storm. A place we can come while it's still safe to complain.

Tomorrow the hammer comes down and our opinions won't be as welcome.

thanks for your honesty.

Deadshot

(384 posts)
83. I'm a huge Bernie supporter.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

I voted for him in the Minnesota caucus.

But I cannot help but think it's about time to unite behind Hillary after her big wins tonight. Mathematically, it's impossible for Sanders to win the nomination at this point. It's time to get realistic. I think it's time to unite behind Hillary.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
100. Not going to happen to this old hag...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

I will stand with BERNIE until he steps aside. I will not "unite" with those who have disparaged me and called me non-democratic. They don't want me in their party - that is fine. I will find a party that wants me.

Deadshot

(384 posts)
123. I don't pay attention to those people.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:39 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not uniting behind Hillary because of them. In fact, those people turn me off to her. But I do not want to live in a country where Donald Trump is President. That is so much worse than a Hillary Clinton presidency.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
105. I guess I think that the revolution is a lot closer even if
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

it is not yet here. Bernie has moved the nation in the right direction. Clinton's political outlook is a dinosaur that is not yet extinct, but will be. Even in South Carolina, where Clinton had her best showing, Bernie beat her with self-described "very liberal" voters. But South Carolina and probably the nation as a whole might is still too conservative for Bernie. The trajectory looks good to me, though. I teach at a university, my students never fail to make me optimistic about the future. The future is with Bernie even if he doesn't win the presidency.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
107. Hopefully my optimism will return tomorrow
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

You're correct that at least the issues Bernie represents have made it this far.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
113. You just keep telling yourself that.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure you'll find other Hi11ary supporters who will agree with you.


beaglelover

(3,480 posts)
133. Oh FFS, what utter bullshit. Your candidate
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

Is losing because the vast majority of democrats are not socialists!!!

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
109. I'm furious at the media. If Bernie had gotten half of Trump's coverage....
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

So many people went to the polls, particularly in the South, without any idea that Bernie Sanders was running against Hillary Clinton, let alone what he stood for.

Poor people don't have Internet access. They don't have computers, they don't have $40 per month for access. People who get their news by watching ABC World News Tonight plus their local news, via antenna - the only free news accessible to poor people, never even heard of Bernie Sanders.

But they ALL know that Donald Trump is running for President! They've seen him on the news, night after night.

Trump is truly scary to so many voters, so of course they are going to go out and vote for the only person running who is a familiar Democrat, Hillary Clinton. They see it as the first necessary step, the only choice available to them, to beating Trump.

If America is subjected to President Trump, it will be because the mainstream media treated the presidential campaign as if it was a reality TV contest. Trump knows how to get ratings, so he got TV time, so he may well get elected. Greed Rules.

I despise the mainstream media even more than I hate Trump.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
115. He's the most clearly and unapologetically left-leaning candidate to perform so competitively since
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

Well, ever.

I think that says somehing right there, and I have to believe those that take the temperature of the electorate have taken notice.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
117. They did take notice...and crushed it by any means necessary
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

I told you I'm depressed and angry tonite. Hopefuily tomorrow will feel better.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
119. Sorry, but with this kind of defeatism we would still be British subjects.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

Though some days it seems like we are back to where we started.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
125. Hi! I am new to DU! My first post.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

I am unhappy about the results of primary results tonight. I don't understand why so many everybody complains about the the status quo in DC and how they wish that we could change it.

Tonight, to me, it looks like people really don't want to change anything......except to make things worse.

We have a candidate who, while in Washington for decades, has not aligned himself, therefore is not beholding to anyone in DC. He is running a campaign totally unlike anybody else's and his message is totally unlike anyone elses's. Yet, still, so many people want to go with an deeply embedded establishment candidate. What change is there really? Just the fact that she is a woman?

Then you have another candidate, unlike any other that we have seen in this country...yet. Who is a lunatic. He doesn't speak with knowledge and logic but with crudeness, insults, racism, prejudice, sexism, lies and one-liners as he incites violence. Yet he is winning state after state. HOW?

What has become of this country?

I am so disheartened by what I am witnessing.

I am sticking with Bernie until the bitter end (which I hope is not bitter) and I will follow just have to follow his lead. Maybe this will have to be a real revolution.

GP6971

(31,154 posts)
127. Welcome to DU
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

During the primary season, you have to have thick skin. A lot of insults thrown around.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
130. Welcome to DU. Thanks for having your first post here.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:03 AM
Mar 2016

Wish it were a happier occasion but keep the faith

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
126. I didn't even feel this sad in 2004
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:54 PM
Mar 2016

The last time I felt this pessimistic and dejected over an election was in December of 2000 when the SC announced it's decision. In both cases, at the heart of it was the sinking feeling that a war was in our future and a feeling that we're generally screwed.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
132. This is exactly how Im feeling as well.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mar 2016

Ive never been so glad that I dont have children. How sad is that.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
128. Me too, Armstead.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

For me, this feels like exactly as much of a loss and a betrayal of the best interest of the American public as 2000...the beginning of a new national nightmare. I can honestly say that I feel betrayed by my fellow Democrats and I may never forgive them for this. It's not really a surprise that is the case though...this primary has felt like a schismatic event for some time; evidence that there is not one Democratic party but two and they increasingly have nothing in common to unite around and no chance of reconciliation.

I fear tonight was the end of the viable current Democratic coalition. There is no future if Hillary is the nominee; her nomination is a faith-breaker and a deal-breaker to too many.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
131. me too ...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:05 AM
Mar 2016

People like Bernie are so rare in politics. If he does not win, I fear we will be losing an opportunity for fundamental change that I won't see again in my lifetime.

I feel a lot of resentment for the establishment political system. The interweaving of politics and money has become so tight that it's impossible to tell them apart. We have news media that's rotten to the core. (After what the NYT did to Bernie today, I cancelled my subscription.)

The democratic party left me.

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