I’m with Hillary in November: Listen up, fellow Bernie supporters — you must get behind Clinton

[brooklynite]

Salon:

I’ll be honest: I don’t like Hillary Clinton. Personally, there’s plenty to admire about the former secretary of state: She’s incredibly bright, broadly experienced, and undeniably competent. Politically, though, she represents a broken system a system of capitulation and obfuscation. There’s no point in denying that.

I don’t consider myself a Democrat, though I vote for Democats almost without exception. Gore Vidal once said that “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party – and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat.” I tend to agree with that, now more than ever. And I suspect most people of the left do as well.

I’ve felt the Bern for months, and I’ve felt it publicly. If you’ve read any of my pieces on Sanders and Clinton, you know exactly where I stand. Bernie is the most authentic and honest politician I’ve encountered – at any level of government. I had no illusions about his prospects of winning this race; it was always a long shot. Nor was I confused about Sanders’ ability to change government if he was miraculously elected. Everything about our system is resistant to change.

...snip...

But here’s the truth: Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee. Primary voters should still express their will and vote for Bernie so long as they can, but this race is effectively over. Progressives don’t want to hear that, and I get it – I really do. But it’s true nevertheless. To win, Sanders would need to secure roughly 72 percent of the remaining delegates, with paltry support among crucial demographics. It’s not going to happen. And even when Sanders has won primaries or caucuses, he hasn’t won by large enough margins to alter the delegate math.

[think]

1. Hillary is the most corrupt politician I might ever have to consider voting for.

Hillary supporters are making it easier for me to avoid doing so...

[geek tragedy]

5. Bill Clinton was much more corrupt. nt

[think]

7. Corruption sucks. America needs to change the laws so politicians can't sell out to

Corporations. It's so obvious and so detrimental to the American public.

And it's shameful that the Democratic party is up to it's neck in it....

[thucythucy]

42. Abraham Lincoln was a "corrupt" lawyer for Big Railroads.

He also used out and out bribery (judgeships, other government appointments) to pass the 13th amendment.

FDR, in 1932, was a 1 percenter who was advocating pretty much the same "cure" for the Depression as Herbert Hoover--balance the budget, sound fiscal policy, etc.

LBJ was known as "Landslide Lyndon" after stuffing a ballot box to win his first election by only a few votes.

National politics has always been corrupt. Is it worse now? Depends on your yardstick. I'd say Citizens United has undone much of the progress made in the past five decades to try to ease corruption out of the system since Richard Nixon used million dollar slush funds and the resources of the FBI, the IRS, and the CIA to smear and sabotage his opponents. But Citizens United can be overturned--and the Supreme Court votes to do are within reach.

My point is: don't give up hope, don't surrender to cynicism and pessimism. Our own cynicism is one of the greatest allies of those who want to resist change with all their might.

It's been a tough year, and may get tougher yet. We all have to hang in there and work for the best possible option--whatever that may turn out to be.

Best wishes.

[Surya Gayatri]

64. Oh, there you go again...bringing a dose of "realpolitic" into the discussion.

Don't you know that His Pureness abides in solitary splendor, in a rarefied realm of unsullied perfection?

[angrychair]

100. Wow

Cynicism is what you just expressed. I just don't have that level of cynicism to resign myself to the "they are all corrupt so fuck it" school of thought. Ethics, integrity and standards of conduct are a requirement for me.

[thucythucy]

105. I'm not saying "They're all corrupt, so fuck it."

I'm saying that even our most honored leaders had serious flaws, as do we all, being human. That national politics ain't bean bag (as Tip O'Neil used to say). And that, aside from Citizens United and this most recent Supreme Court, the long arc of our political history seems, to me anyway, to be swinging toward less corruption, not more.

So we should all hang in there, be hopeful, and remember that most significant change comes from the "bottom" up, not top down.

If that's your idea of cynicism, so be it.

[angrychair]

111. I agree with part of what you're saying

The "most significant change comes from the "bottom" up, not top down." Part.
Sadly, the voters have a chance to vote for one of the most consistent, ethical and progressive candidates in more than a generation and they are failing.

The fact that a Bush or a Clinton has been part of the executive branch of government, either president or a member of the president 's cabinet, for 32 uninterrupted years is pathetic and awkward for a country that was founded thumbing its nose at royalty.

[thucythucy]

136. I think we mostly agree.

I had the pleasure of voting for Bernie in my primary election. If my health and circumstances permitted, I'd be far more active in his campaign.

But I'm not as distraught as some folks appear to be that Clinton may end up the nominee. It's very rare, and usually only in moments of crashing crises, that a national leader is able to push this country to the left. I'd say the two major examples of that were Lincoln 1861-65, and FDR especially 1933-38. Lincoln was elected, not as a third party candidate but a fourth party candidate--the conservatives in that election were split three ways, with civil war about to break out. FDR faced the greatest economic collapse in the nation's history. It seems to take that sort of cataclysm to move the general electorate to make a great swing to the left. While I still have hopes that Bernie might pull it off, I won't be surprised if he can't.

Basically, what I look for in a president is someone who a) won't threaten me personally and b) won't actively get in the way of grassroots efforts for social and economic justice. Republicans tend to do both. Democrats, in my experience, tend not to do as much as try actively to crush my aspirations.

As for "thumbing its nose at royalty"--the "founding fathers" were their own fairly exclusive class of elitists, aristocrats in pretty much everything but name. How many of our first presidents were members of the Top 40 families of Virginia or Massachusetts? Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Quincy Adams... But yeah, I'd welcome some new players, and certainly see Senator Sanders as one of those (age in this context doesn't matter to me).

Hell, the very first vote I cast was a primary vote for George McGovern, which maybe tells you something about my political desires. A man of decency, integrity, a dove who saw the Vietnam War for the atrocity it was, a believer in civil rights, who lost in a landslide to one of those most brutally cynical and brutishly venal men in American history. Still makes me gag to think about it.

Anyway, best wishes, and here's hoping what Bernie has set in motion will have a truly lasting impact (for the better) on American politics.

[Lizzie Poppet]

12. Great argument against Hillary!

Thanks!

[cherokeeprogressive]

76. And Hillary Clinton stood by Her Man.

[Demsrule86]

17. Really

So Trump or Cruze would suit you better? Get real.

[think]

25. Am I voting for them? No. Should I have to vote for a corporate shill to stop a fascist?

Apparently that might be my only choice.

[tex-wyo-dem]

44. I've had it up to here...

With the worse of two evils argument.

Bernie is a once in a lifetime candidate. A real and compassionate human being who would make one of the greatest presidents this country has ever had. I will continue to support him until either he accepts the nomination or concedes and beyond.

[-none]

130. ^^^Absolutely, positively THIS!^^^

What's not to understand here? A person for the people. Not another bought off corporatist, beholden to big money.

[Betty Karlson]

49. Hillary supporters are busy burning every bridge with the millennial generation.

Go with Clinton and the party will go the way of the GOP: increasingly reactionary, increasingly irrelevant.

[valerief]

103. +1

[840high]

119. I won't vote for

corruption anymore.

[boomer55]

133. +1000

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. No, we don't.

She hasn't won the nomination yet. If she eventually does, each of us will have to decide, individually, whether and to what extent we will support her. For now, though, f*ck that.

[FourScore]

40. The 72% is false - that's including superdelegates. He only has to secure 57%.

Very hard, but NOT impossible. At least, it's not impossible if there were fair and accurate reporting in this campaign!!

[tex-wyo-dem]

47. +1

[mikeysnot]

3. I sure hope you are being paid to write this crap.....

[Lizzie Poppet]

13. According to the link, the amusingly-named "Sean Illing" was paid to write it.

Not paid too much, one hopes...

[revbones]

56. ROFL nt

[casperthegm]

4. Doesn't Sanders need 57%, not 72%

of the remaining delegates to catch Clinton? Considering the remaining states, I'd say it's far from out of the question that Sanders catches up to her. If Clinton was really a Democrat I'd consider voting for her if she does win the nomination. Unfortunately, she is a Democrat in name only. Or, if she is really what the Democratic party represents, then the party is no longer the one that I've always voted for.

[Demsrule86]

18. Let me understand your post

Hillary is not liberal enough for you ...but you are fine with throwing the election to Trump or Cruze with four justices over 80 on the Supreme Court.

[casperthegm]

27. Let me clarify for you

Can you tell me who this republican is?

Worked for Goldwater’s campaign

Supports fracking

Opposes reinstating Glass Steagall

Gives speeches to Wall Street for hundreds of thousands of dollars- and provides no transcripts of those speeches

Does not want to pursue measures to insure all Americans

No issues with Citizens United or Super pacs.

Supported NAFTA

Supported the TPP (before flip flopping)

Does not support free college for all

Is it Ted Cruz? Sounds like it. But no, it's actually Hillary Clinton. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.

[Silver_Witch]

34. Agreed

[wyldwolf]

55. Can you tell me when and how...

... All your points began to equate to not being a Democrat?

Just because one part of the party - (electorally speaking, a not very influential part) - disdains these points, we suddenly must agree this isn't what Democrats do? Sounds as if you have a major disconnect of the history and reality of the Democratic party.

[tex-wyo-dem]

66. Sounds like the major disconnect lies with you...

The points made reflect real traditional democrats, not DLC/Third Way/ New Democrat crap.

[wyldwolf]

118. History, obviously differs with you

[casperthegm]

67. Oh sure, she might call herself a dem

But if that's what passes for a Democrat these days then I am sorry to say that I'm not one. I will say this- I feel the party left me, not vice versa. Such a shame.

[revbones]

58. Let me understand your post

People that have principles, should just suck it up and vote for a corporate shill because you're scared of Trump and the SC has some old people on it?

[revbones]

59. Real math doesn't fit their narrative. nt

[Logical]

6. Try to sound more bossy, maybe it will work. Nt

[Katashi_itto]

8. We are not your "fellows"

[Fumesucker]

63. ...

[greymouse]

9. there is nothing to admire about Hillary Clinton

Time and again I have asked her supporters to name one thing she has accomplished. All I hear back is crickets.

Voted for Iraq war.
Destroyed middle class and rural society of Libya and opened it to ISIS, endangering Italy.
Damaged Haiti.
Laughed at people dying in Libya
Failed to get healthcare through Congress in Bill's administration
Supported NAFTA (listen to sucking sound of US jobs going overseas.)
Supported pipeline until it was unpopular.
Personally corrupt, see Wall Street speeches
Zero concern for the 99% see remarks about $15 an hour is too much for some workers while she and Bill have made $100 mil since they left the White House.

Summary: completely untrustworthy. Even if she said she supported policies I care about, her word is meaningless.

Hillary Clinton has not one redeeming feature, plus if she is elected, we get to see three smirking Clinton faces for the next eight years.

I expect Bernie to be the nominee. If he is not, I will write him in. No more voting for the lesser of two evils for me, never again.

[Demsrule86]

21. Sure

And after living for 4 or 8 years under Trump...I hope we still have elections.

[bahrbearian]

41. Like we're having one now? Its Circus Time , MSM will feed us what they decide it real news.

They prop up who they decide who is best for themselves.

[marions ghost]

57. VERY GOOD POINT

"Elections--like we're having one now?"

Yes it's circus time. A total insult to the American people in every way.

We will be told who to vote for, who they decide years before.

Nobody can even begin to turn this mess around but Sanders.

[tex-wyo-dem]

50. There's that lesser of two evils argument again...

Sure speaks a lot for Hillary. Either vote for her or get Satan.

[JohnnyRingo]

83. Go right ahead.

By your lofty standards you never voted for a sitting Democrat anyway. Nearly ever one of your disqualifiers certainly barred you from voting to re-elect President Obama in 2012, so skip this one too. We'll do it without you again.

[fredamae]

10. I don't have to "Must do"

Anything this Elec Cycle.

[Half-Century Man]

11. After the Democratic Party's convention, I'll make my choice as I see fit.

As we all should.

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. How about...

[Demsrule86]

15. True

I agree completely. And I don't see any corruption with Hillary as some do...you all are believing the GOP attacks...they have been after the Clintons for decades.

[All in it together]

70. The right wing may accuse Hillary falsely but that doesn't mean there's nothing from her left

to criticize her for. They've been listed, did you read them? The RW should like Hillary, they agree on so much. The RW likes being for TPP, and Keystone like Hillary. The RW doesn't like universal health care like Hillary. They like wars in the ME like Hillary. They don't want to reign in big banks like Hillary. They don't want real progress and Hillary isn't even trying for progress. Etc

Hillary needs to prove to me she's not what she has been in the past, that's pretty difficult when we don't find her very trustworthy.

[Doctor_J]

16. Cool story bro

There comes a time when we need to stop voting for people who don't represent us - in fact represent most of what we are against.

[Demsrule86]

22. Four justices over 80

The GOP will pick as many as five justices...really do you think this is the right time...because if they do that...why bother voting for 20 years?

[Lizzie Poppet]

33. You actually trust Hillary not to compromise her SCOTUS picks just to get them through?

Not to nominate corporate-friendly justices who might rule liberally on social issues but continue to help line billionaire's pockets? I'd actually trust Trump to make better SCOTUS picks...and Trump is about as reliable as a 1970's Fiat.

[tex-wyo-dem]

60. Hm...you're the third hill supporter this morning...

Who has used the exact same reasoning with the exact same wording.

What, did a memo get sent out last night?

[cherokeeprogressive]

77. Any SCJ's Hillary appoints will be Death Penalty Proponents.

[artislife]

31. If we vote for them, it will only encourage them.

I think we shouldn't encourage this shit.

We have repeatedly tried it their way and they have only marched further to the right.

[Armstead]

19. Yeah,Yeah,Yeah -- Four legs good, two legs bad

[randr]

20. Maybe four years of Trump

would wake up the DNC. Probably not, but it may wake up the Democratic voters and then maybe they could find someone like, who knows, Bernie to run? But he will probably be too old by then so who else do we have??

[seabeyond]

24. And women and girls die for decades. I guess it depends how important others lives are to you.

[Octafish]

32. 'We think the price is worth it.' - Sec. Madeleine Albright on 500,000 dead Iraqi children

http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

[seabeyond]

35. One has nothing to do with the other. We have an opportunity to save women and girls lives. You...

Just now, simply dismissed women and girls lives. That is not ok with me. That cannot be justified, validated and excused. That shows evidence of a callousness that is beyond my thinking.

[Octafish]

43. Not to you, perhaps.

I agree with you 100-percent. Women and girls lives are sacred and must be protected. Ms. Clinton has no better record than Bernie Sanders when it comes to respecting reproductive rights.

My point is that all human life is sacred. President Clinton's Sec. of State certainly did not see that.

ETA: Sec. Clinton, herself, did not respect human life. On the news of the death of Qaddafi, she said: "We came. We saw. He died." Then, she laughed.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/19/flashback_2011_hillary_clinton_laughs_about_killing_moammar_gaddafi_we_came_we_saw_he_died.html

[seabeyond]

54. I get your point. I am not arguing Sanaders position with women compared to Clinton. I responded to

a post saying no difference voting for Trump.

[tex-wyo-dem]

69. Depends on how you look at it...

Hillary has been directly responsible for several countries becoming war-riddled messes where millions of people (women and girls included) have died or been maimed for life.

Of course her warhawkishness doesn't surprise me when one of her good "friends" is the old war criminal himself, Henry Kissinger.

[seabeyond]

73. No, the loss of women and girls lives depends on nothing.... Which would be my point.

[tex-wyo-dem]

85. I agree ...the loss of lives, period, depends on nothing...

So it surprises me you are supporting Hillary...which would be my point

[seabeyond]

87. Supreme Court. Women and girl's lives. I am confused at your surprise.

If you are referring to Sanders no vote in Iraq, I do not ignore fact. There has not been a war, military action, or military expense he has not supported besides ONE vote, ever. He would do drones and be as pro military, per his history. I do not buy into cons.

Regardless, that brings us to the reality of the Supreme crt. Women and girl's lives, with our vote.

The beginning and end of this conversation> Any more confusion is simply a dismissal that women and girls livesw are not significant or important enough.

[tex-wyo-dem]

98. Wow, that's incredibly presumptuous of you...

Pretty despicable.

Two can play that game...if you vote for Hillary over Bernie, then you don't care about brown people's lives, based on Hillary's Neo-con like aggression. Practically every country she delt with as SoS has turned into a war-torn mess, not to mention her vote for the Iraq war as senator and her impassioned speech on the senate floor.

Bernie's not pro-military or pro-war. He has supported conflicts in the past he felt were necessary, but has been against aggressive foreign policy and the obsene size of our military budget.

[seabeyond]

122. Not even since the conversation is about no difference voting Trump

[msanthrope]

89. The Senate and SCOTUS. We have the chance to shape it

for decades. Squabbling over Bernie ain't worth it.

[seabeyond]

91. Exactly... decades. And instead the Sanders people want to go on and on about how the two parties

are the same. Which falls under about the most uniformed or uncaring or dismissive position.

[msanthrope]

96. Bern it all down seems like an option for some. nt

[vintx]

65. .

[gollygee]

97. Oh, I'm sure Trump will be gentle with the Iraquis.

This is not an argument for Hillary vs. Trump.

[Octafish]

108. Right. That's why I favor Bernie Sanders.

He doesn't think it was worth it.

[gollygee]

109. I voted for Bernie too

But what happens if it ends up being Hillary vs. Trump?

[Octafish]

112. We tell the truth about Trump.

Ich meine Drumpf.

[PeoViejo]

107. What seem outrageous to us

Is chiseled-in-stone Group-think with the people in her circle of confidantes.

[Octafish]

110. Amazing how the Mind can harden.

"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain." --Who Knows?

In 1946 the periodical “Commonweal” presented an instance of the saying and labeled it an aphorism: 13

There is a foolish aphorism to the effect that “If you aren’t a socialist at twenty, you have no heart, and if you are a socialist at forty, you have no head.” Something like that. A facile saying, whipped up in a moment of inspiration by some ex-socialist press agent for the status quo.

-- http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/

And that was during the Depression. Now in these, the richest times in human history, where even low life superstars have their own hangar full o' jets, not even Midas' most trusted bodyguard would be able to resist touching the stash and turning into a whisp of gold in a flash.

[seabeyond]

123. Well, with all the bogus about Sanders, I guess I could accuse you as group think also. But, I feel

that is a shitty thing to do not knowing just how informed you are.

[Doctor_J]

46. Abortion will not be outlawed. Heritage Care will not be "repealed". there will not be a wall

built around the US. These horror stories that keep floating around to try to scare people into voting for a corporate candidate are as ridiculous as the ones from the right about the FEMA camps and Sharia Law.

[seabeyond]

61. How about if I not trust a man that has never been on a woman's side, and trust in the fact

That I live in the state of TExas, and in spring had to drive out of the state so my adult niece could receive a legal medical procedure, that she could not jump thru all the hopes of here in Texas and drive hours to one of the three that are still available.

[hamsterjill]

74. I live in Texas, too.

The idea that "abortion will not be outlawed" is absolutely comical to me. It effectively already has been in our state.

The Supreme Court nominee is imperative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[seabeyond]

78. It shows ignorance or simply lacking caring about the loss of girl's and women's lives.

That is the beginning and the end of the conversation, if one has a conscience.

[hamsterjill]

80. Agreed.

Some people don't seem to understand what all is truly at stake with this election.

I remember a time before Roe v. Wade, and I KNOW what is at stake. I'm a Hillary supporter and I think she will be the nominee, but if Senator Sanders becomes the nominee, I'll be first in line at early voting to cast a ballot for him.

I will do everything in my power to keep a Republican out of the White House.

[Doctor_J]

113. So after making excuses for the president for 8 years, how he's "not a king", you are going to

believe that president Trump will be able to pass anything he wants, including an outright abortion ban.

Your inconsistency is very consistent.

[seabeyond]

124. Firstly, I do not make excuses for Obama, I do not know what you go on about. Second.

Ya, A president gets to nominate Supreme Crt. That you are SOOOOOOO far out of the loop on women's issues is terrifying seeing how you often use your voice opposing us.

[gollygee]

95. It could absolutely be outlawed

Or at least practically outlawed if not outright. All the anti-abortion laws that have been passed have had a huge effect on women's reproductive rights. And birth control is next. There are a lot of birth control options the right wants gone.

[seabeyond]

125. It is practically being outlawed now in Texas and certainly happening in other states.

Not to mention other laws specifically going after women.

[jeepers]

106. you made me kill those people

and you with the gun in your hand eager to pull the trigger for Hillary take no responsibility

[seabeyond]

126. You do not know shit about me, and your interpretation is not truth. It is merely your opinion.

[gollygee]

94. I don't think so

A Reagan presidency moved our party to the right. A GWB presidency also moved our party to the right. The thought was, Oh, the US is more conservative than we thought, we'd better move to the right.

A strong Bernie candidacy plus a strong Democratic win would move us to the left. "Oh, the US is more liberal than we thought. We'd better move to the left."

[seabeyond]

128. That works for me. I am game. I think Clinton is a hell of a lot more left that many credit her

for. She is also more political than what I like. She is way more competent and capable though than.... IMO, Sanders.

[seabeyond]

23. I think that is a pretty balanced accounting, but the part of Sanders being so honest.

I have truly seen a dishonest to the extent that reminds me of the con Bush did to the Repugs, getting their vote and the denial or dismissal or excuses or validations of lack of integrity, while still saying his campaign is the campaign of integrity. If he was merely a politician once again, instead of some conquering hero, I could accept Sanders position and running of the campaign so much easier. But a sainted caricature really loses respect for me. I am not so in awe in my support of Clinton to see her as a conquering hero. Sanders is a politician just like Clinton, really no different.

[Miles Archer]

26. I’ll be honest: I don’t like Hillary Clinton either.

The way I see it, if Hillary becomes the nominee, I'll respect Skinner's post about getting behind the candidate and will probably spend the next 4 years posting in the Lounge, or posting things not related to her Presidency in GD.

I'm not a disruptor, I know what the rules are here, and I'll follow them.

I don't see me "getting behind" Hillary Clinton. I just don't see it at all. And I know exactly what that means when it comes to being a participant on this site, and I will respect that.

[fun n serious]

28. Hillary supporter here..

I say vote your conscience. Meanwhile we on the Hillary side have to concede we won't get your vote and look to a different demographic.

[seabeyond]

36. Yes. Nt

[tex-wyo-dem]

71. Good luck with that...

Beyond rank and file Democrats, Hillary is one of the most divisive, distrusted and hated politicians out there.

The DNC could hardly have chosen a worse candidate to tip the scales for.

[fun n serious]

115. She is beating Bernie

Regardless of the amount of money he has spent. Vote who ever you want and I will do the same. END of discussion.

[-none]

135. Only because the DNC is stacking the deck for Hillary and the media is doing it's best to

ignore Bernie Sanders.

On a level playing field, Bernie would be doing much better.

[Renaissance Man]

29. No.

I will not be getting behind Hillary Clinton in the general election if she is the nominee. Period.

[hamsterjill]

75. Then we will miss you on DU.

For the moment, however, welcome to DU.

[Autumn]

30. .

[ViseGrip]

37. You do what you gotta do

[Bluenorthwest]

38. Her sermon promoting the Reagans as heroes of AIDS was vile and very poorly timed.

I can vote against the Republican in Nov if she's the nominee, but I will never be behind her because I no longer trust her at all, nor any of her supporters nor the segment of the Party that is comfortable with such reckless actions. This weekend I learned that you, your candidate and the rest of the Moderates and Straights in this Party live in a universe of fictions, ignorant of the history we all lived through and thus unaware of the long term damage that has been done.

The election is a blip. This country has to get right about many things, and the AIDS era is one of those things. This country did a greatly evil thing. And it is time to put that on the table and make amends, not to hide it under the rug for the sake of Ron and Nancy.

[coyote]

39. Whether you like it or not, Hillary is not the nominee.

You save your breath.

[nc4bo]

45. I don't give a damn about Clinton as much as I give a damn about 86in' our NCGOP legislature. nt

[Stallion]

48. Its Not Over Until H.A.(Ha!) Goodman Says Its Over!!!

nm

[bkkyosemite]

51. Salon is not going to tell me what to do.....Bernie...Bernie....Bernie..

[ChairmanAgnostic]

52. even if it offends my morals, ethics, and hopes for this country?

She will be a horrible president, assuming that she can beat trump. And I am not sure that she can. Now that he is taking aim at her, watch her favorables continue to tumble and her unfavorables expand at an increasing rate.

[whatchamacallit]

53. Nope

No fucking way.

[HooptieWagon]

62. Another loyalty pledge?

My, how authoritarian and conservative.

[KPN]

68. Why would I get behind a corrupt shape shifter right now?

My guy's still in it. Until he's not, I'm not wasting any energy giving thought to the shape-shifter. So ...

PLEASE STOP WITH THE ANNOYING AND SOMEWHAT CONDESCENDING "GET WITH THE PROGRAM" POSTS. All they are doing is alienating folks.

[bkkyosemite]

84. I know, I know, it's getting sooo old...

[Bubzer]

72. "you must get behind Clinton" - No. EOM

[NowSam]

79. This primary isn't over

and the calls to end this thing when half the states haven't voted is absurd. I will vote for Bernie in June and then guess what? I will vote for him in November and then again in 4 years.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. No sale. I don't "unite" for either wings of the two right wings.

[Politicalboi]

82. Why bring this SHIT here

We will NOT support those who cheat and lie us out of our candidate. Fuck them.

[IndyV0te]

86. Why the He11 do I want to keep the ESTABLISHMENT in power?

All of them are corrupt.

Have you ever seen a poor politician? Some may get into politics for a genuinely good reason (wanting to help people), but the concentration of power and money corrupts everyone eventually. Geezus...the Clintons are one of the WORST examples of this.

Vote for Hillary? Are you crazy?

The Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, Cheneys, Fords, ...they are all the ESTABLISHMENT. They are the PROBLEM. They are the OLIGARCHY.

I say again: Why the He11 do I want to keep them in power?

[Waiting For Everyman]

88. What's the big hurry?

Cheaters always try to get you to forfeit the field. I learned long ago to NEVER do that.

Hillary Clinton can fight for every damn delegate as far as I'm concerned. And I have a strong feeling Sanders and his campaign feel the same way.

She didn't do anything significant on Tuesday. What happened is that a bunch of Dems and Indys crossed over and voted as Republicans AGAINST Trump (for Kasich or Cruz) because the media has whipped up such a frenzy of fear about him.

That is over-reacting by a lot, but I expect it will not continue much further if at all.

This race is just getting started for Sanders. And nobody knows the future. This is a year when anything can happen.

I don't know what Clinton is in such a hurry for anyway. Sanders is doing her a favor by staying in because without him, it would be pretty hard for her to stay in the news. The convention isn't for months yet.

The writer of this piece too, would have 50% less to write about.

So just what is all the complaining about anyway? Why the hair on fire to end the Primary before it's even half over? Seems highly suspicious to me.

[Jester Messiah]

90. Haha, no.

The only "must" on the table is that Hillary "must" earn my vote. And I don't think she has a realistic path forward on that one.

[restorefreedom]

92. listen up, salon...you do NOT tell me how to vote,

what issues are important to me, how to think, or what values to hold.

wow, salon keeps sinking lower and lower

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. LOL. The only things I MUST do are eat, sleep, and work. Even the work thing isn't a MUST.

But here where I live, you can golf, fish, or hike. Running a company tends to keep me sane.

That was me pretty much telling you to fuck off with that stupidity.

[k8conant]

99. Lesser of the evils choice will only come

after the good candidate is no longer on the ballot.

[Arugula Latte]

101. Worst election choice EVER.

I'll hold my nose and vote for The Sleazy One, unless it looks like my state is going blue in a big way. Then I'll write in someone I actually respect and admire.

[TheDormouse]

102. November? It's only March. We'll cross that bridge after the convention ... nt

[RedCappedBandit]

104. Her type doesn't represent me, so no.

[Shadowflash]

114. ''you must get behind Clinton''

Yeah, yeah. Blah blah blah.


Aren't the other hundred threads on here saying the same thing enough?

[lmbradford]

116. Nope

Please, respect me as a voter who only votes my conscience. I cannot and will not vote for someone that I disagree with on so many issues. That is not even mentioning the fact that I dont like or trust her. I am a registered I, so my vote doesnt matter to the Dems anyway. Just look around at the vitriol. If and when Mr Sanders conceeds, that will be my exit from the party until or unless they run someone progressive enough for my support. Btw, it seems that about a third of voters are just like me. Good luck with your endeavors without us.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

117. The Presidential candidate who I vote for will have earned my vote --

by way of their record and their positions. Period. I cannot be bought, cajoled, scolded, or pressured into doing otherwise.

The election of 2008 was a turning point for me, one from which I cannot nor will not deviate.

[Luciferous]

129. I feel the same way. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils again.

[democrattotheend]

120. Fellow Bernie supporters?

Um, most of us don't have a Hillary tag.

Here's a word of advice from a Bernie supporter who is committed to supporting the eventual nominee: if Hillary actually gets enough delegates to lock down the nomination, let people like me be the ones to urge the rest of the team to get behind Hillary. Coming from you, it just comes across as patronizing and infuriating and endears nobody to your candidate.

[forest444]

121. Only when she's nominated.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

[noretreatnosurrender]

127. Another Arrogant Hillary Post

This is so pathetic.

[Skwmom]

131. Undeniably competent. Saying something again and again and again does not make it so.

[MsFlorida]

132. Never.

N/t

[Bjornsdotter]

134. I must?!

No, you are mistaken.