Hillary won MA and IL by 1 POINT

[Csainvestor]

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Two of the largest states with some of the largest cities in the country, and she barely won.

Bernie has massively outperformed the polls, Hillary is underwhelming in her victories.

PS. this New York poll is garbage.

[grossproffit]

1. In other words, Bernie lost.

[Stallion]

4. Failed To Hit His Required Target Badly

you can't barely lose when you are 325 delegates down

[grossproffit]

13. That's why we have Bernie math.

[BillZBubb]

8. Or more truthfully, the big name, big money, inevitable, annointed one BARELY won.

Half the party in the Northern states DON'T want her to be the nominee. Those are the states that help Democrats win.

[72DejaVu]

17. Half WHAT party?

Hillary has won easily among Dems in every state. It's only independent party crashers that have kept this even as close as it is.

[Peace Patriot]

52. Even if that's true (and it ain't) Independents make up 38% of the voting public!

They are the biggest group of voters in the country. She MUST have a good portion of Independents to win the GE. So their voting for Sanders is a bad omen for Clinton.

But you are forgetting a whole lot of people who voted for Sanders in big numbers, including the under 30 voters, under 30 women voters, disgusted non-voters drawn back into the party, and labor union member voters, plus people like me--70 year old lifelong Democratic voters!

Then there were crossover Republican voters who don't like any of their candidates and don't like Clinton either, and others including Latinos voting for Sanders and an increasing number of northern African Americans voting for Sanders, especially young African Americans.

You calling all these people "party crashers"? Keep it up!

Do you have any concept of how to build a political party, or how to rebuild one that has seen its ranks decimated by neo-liberalism (spitting on the workers and the poor)? YOU DON'T DO IT BY CALLING PEOPLE WHO VOTE DEMOCRATIC, NO MATTER THE CANDIDATE, "PARTY CRASHERS"!

[upaloopa]

18. States don't vote people do. Hillary is leading in votes against all candidates

[NuclearDem]

35. Actually, the majority of the party in the north doesn't want Bernie as the nominee.

Independents and Republicans, on the other hand, do. Democrats crossed over to vote in the GOP primary in Michigan, which is what cost Clinton the win there. In Ohio, independents and Republicans voted in the GOP primary and cost Sanders the win there.

[George II]

48. I love the way Sanders people denigrate Clinton's primary performances and yet she is soundly....

....thrashing their candidate.

In the eyes of the voting public, she is eons ahead of Sanders. So slam Clinton as much as you want, it only makes your candidate look even worse.

[The Second Stone]

22. Only if you use the normal definition of the word "lost"

for willfully delusional values of "lost", he won by exceeding expectations.

[still_one]

39. Wonder why the OP left out Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina. As for New York there have been two

polls this year, with that last one through 3/3, with both having Hillary up by +21.

Also, New York is a closed primary, which means only DEMOCRATS get to select the Democratic nominee

[workinclasszero]

57. Yup

[hrmjustin]

2. Hillary will win big here in NY.

[livetohike]

5. And in PA.

[hrmjustin]

6. Yep!

[still_one]

40. Both New York and PA are closed primaries, which means only DEMOCRATS are involved in electing the

Democratic nominee

[geek tragedy]

46. NYC is Hillary country. nt

[livetohike]

3. Yay!!! A win is a win. Massive blowouts across the entire South.

Where was Bernie even close?

[grossproffit]

7. It's like bizarro world here.

[OwlinAZ]

37. We will not win any of those

southern states.

[geek tragedy]

44. Obama won Virginia and Florida twice. nt

[yardwork]

56. Obama won North Carolina and Hillary can, too. NC will not go for Trump.

[Zynx]

49. Obama won Florida and Virginia twice and North Carolina once.

He was also competitive in Georgia.

[surrealAmerican]

55. Hillary Clinton is not Obama.

She has nothing like his charisma. She doesn't have the same kind of following. She does not appeal to voters in the same way.

If she is the nominee, she will have to use a very different strategy.

Also, after eight years, his "coattails" are too frayed for anyone to ride successfully.

[ucrdem]

9. Seriously with spreads like that you have to hand it to the Clintons.

They know exactly what they need to do and they do it.

[OwlinAZ]

38. TheClintons are dirty

and they are dirtiest toward people of their own Party.

[MadBadger]

10. Remind me again what her number was in Florida?

Also, though he has outperformed the poles, he hasnt done as well with the Czechs

[Tanuki]

24. That's why we have a system of Czechs and balances!

[NuclearDem]

33. He's got some Russian to do to catch up with Clinton...

[upaloopa]

11. She leads by 300 delegates I guess that means Bernie is winning

[redstateblues]

12. Bernie underperformed last week in every state

He was supposed to win MO and OH. He was crushed in the swing state of FL.

[thesquanderer]

47. Polls did not suggest any wins... the polls were right.

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There was some hype where people were suggesting the polls might be wrong, but if you look at the actual polls (i.e. on 538), no states were expected to go for Bernie.

As for whether he underperformed... it varied by state. He slightly over-performed in North Carolina (losing by 14 when he was projected to lose by 18), and performed as expected in Missouri. He slightly under-performed in Ohio (losing by 14, while he was only projected to lose by 11) and in Florida (where he lost by 31 while projected to lose by 29). OTOH, he out-performed in Illinois, losing by 2 when he was projected to lose by 7.

[Codeine]

14. She doesn't need to win at all anymore.

She can lose from here on out and Senator Sanders will still find it nearly impossible to catch up.

This NY poll is probably bunk, but it's not a state he's going to win, or even get close. All New York is going to do is create a further point deficit from which he cannot reasonably hope to recover.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Bernie got clobbered in Boston and lost Chicago

He can't win the big Democratic stronghold cities in primary elections.

It's not a problem with the media, or name recognition, or coverage. It's a problem with his message, beliefs, and policies.

[wyldwolf]

16. A win is a win. Delegates. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. How about the Germans?

"....Bernie has massively outperformed the poles..."

How about the Germans?

[geek tragedy]

43. You forgot about Poland! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. LOL

[Bleacher Creature]

21. Ok, fine. He can get a participant trophy for keeping it close.

[Tanuki]

27. ...the Dodo said "Everybody has won, and all must have prizes" (Lewis Carroll's Caucus Race)

[brooklynite]

23. BERNIE won MI by 1 POINT

then lost IL, MO and OH.

We were told Hillary's firewall was gone.

We were told Bernie would do better when the contest moved north.

Apparently not the rust-belt

[seabeyond]

29. Clinton is also 2.7 million votes ahead. But meh... right? Nt

[reformist2]

25. Hillary has "won" about six states this way now. Statistically meaningless wins, to be objective.

Yet they color the whole state for Hillary, as if she won in a landslide. I guess it makes them feel better, but it doesn't change the underlying weakness in her candidacy.

[kennetha]

28. states are not the coin of the realm

delegates are. this is not the general election and the electoral college we are talking about.

[Zynx]

50. And Bernie barely won MI. Without MI he doesn't have much to talk about.

See how silly we can be?

[yardwork]

58. Another poster who doesn't understand how primaries work.

It's getting boring repeating this over and over. Delegates are awarded proportionately. Read up on it.

[workinclasszero]

60. Delegates are awarded proportionately

Delegates are awarded proportionately...Delegates are awarded proportionately...Delegates are awarded proportionately

Why don't Bernie supporters understand this????

[seabeyond]

26. Barely won is a win. You were never in sports, were you?

[reformist2]

34. But primary races are not winner take all, so you never really "win" a whole state.

[seabeyond]

36. Winner and loser unless the numbers are the same resulting in tie. This truly is not complicated.

[NCTraveler]

30. K&R for Clintons victories.

[LexVegas]

31. Jesus....you guys cant just lose can you? nt

[NuclearDem]

32. Yes, I can see how he massively outperformed the *polls*

by losing all five states on Tuesday.

I guess we're just going to ignore Florida, where Hillary won by over 30%. Or Ohio, where she won by 14%. Fortunately, neither of them matter in the general election.

[Jitter65]

41. Bernie won MI by 1.7 nt

[geek tragedy]

42. You don't win elections by beating polls.

You win them by beating your opponent.

[Nye Bevan]

45. There's a word for someone who wins by 1 point.

I believe it's "winner".

[DemocracyDirect]

51. There is a lot of fear in Hillary supporters

Bernie was competitive or a big winner in many early States.

And now if he outperforms the rest of the way...

Bernie will get the nomination.

[Peace Patriot]

53. Clinton supporters are not going to win by using ridicule.

However, they think they are. So maybe just leave them deluded.

Clinton's position is weaker than expected, and Sanders is still a viable candidate, with blue skies ahead. At the least, he is going to crash her coronation party with enough delegates to make some demands on behalf of the working class, who used to be the Democratic Party constituency, and, at best, he can still win the nomination, because all indicators are that his small donor/no superpac-no billionaires campaign is more inspiring to the general population of voters. (He currently beats Trump by twice the margin that Clinton does, and his "favorability" and "trustworthy" ratings are through the roof, while hers are in the toilet. She has no traction with Independents and with under 30 voters.)

But what is worse is that Clinton supporters are helping her LOSE the GE by ridiculing Sanders supporters, ridiculing Independent voters (as above) and generally alienating everybody who doesn't kiss the royal ring. Their strategy is a losing strategy. I've rarely seen such clubbiness and snottiness in people who claim to be Democrats. They don't seem to be thinking people. The issues don't matter to them. Their posts are like knives in a knife fight.

[MFM008]

54. at this point

Im to worried about seeing Trump and the GOP go down I don't even consider Sanders much of a factor.
He will have a say/role at the convention, but I don't see him accepting a position in an HRC cabinet , he will just keep rolling as Senator from Vermont.

[BainsBane]

59. Il by 2.2 points

and MA by 1.4. That sure beats losing.

She leads by 2.5 million votes, not exactly a small amount.

The NY Poll is garbage why? Because you don't like the numbers?