Hillary hopes to lure superdelegates with some argument

[RobertEarl]

Because she is owed?

Because that's how it was designed?

Because she is the most famous?

Because Bill is her husband?

Because if they don't vote for her there is a special place in hell for them?

Bernie wants to earn super delegates the hard way. Because it will be best for the party.

[hrmjustin]

1. Because she is winning!

[reformist2]

34. Hillary's arrow shouldn't point left or right, it should go in a circular direction.

[hrmjustin]

36. Whatever gets you through this primary loss.

[reformist2]

40. Bernie will still win, because Hillary's supporters continue to fall away, as they realize.

As they realize she stands for nothing.

[hrmjustin]

41. Is this in your fantasy world because in the real world this is not so?

[upaloopa]

2. She already has them

I think you forgot the primary has been going on for months now.

What kind of speech do you think Bernie will give at the convention just before they introduce Hillary as the nominee?

[think]

5. These are people who are free to make up their own minds in case you forgot.

[upaloopa]

8. In case you don't know the back Hillary.

[think]

11. 2008 might not be the same scenario but it's happened to her before.

Superdelegates switching allegiance to Obama

Hillary Clinton is starting to lose her overwhelming lead in superdelegates, the Democratic party officials whose votes she is counting on to help her close the gap with Barack Obama. He has received a steady flow of backers in recent days while building a streak of 11 straight primary victories. After once leading Obama by a 2 to 1 ratio in the superdelegate chase, Clinton now has 241 to his 181, according to the latest Associated Press tally.

Most unnerving for Clinton is the trickle of superdelegates who have defected from her corner to Obama's. The shift comes as she failed to deliver a telling blow on him in their penultimate TV debate before the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/23/uselections2008.barackobama

[Zynx]

17. Yeah, that's because he was winning the nomination by that point.

They followed the will of the voters. That isn't happening this time. The voters are with Hillary.

[think]

18. And they may continue to be but this isn't over. And Bernie specifically stated he would court

super delegates in states where he won big.

Some apparently didn't hear that part of the discussion.....

[Zynx]

19. Sure, he can court them in those largely small and plains states.

Hillary has won far more states and she's won the bigger states. Texas, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, and Georgia are nothing to sneeze at. You can have Nebraska, Kansas, etc. Michigan is the only good-sized state he's won.

[Rose Siding]

3. She doesn't have "hopes to lure" anyone. They already endorsed her

Here's a fairly comprehensive list of the vast majority of super dels

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

[RobertEarl]

6. And Bernie wants them to change

What's wrong with that?

Why did they all endorse before the primary? Seems dictatorial to decide ahead of time before anyone even votes. But then that was the design, eh?

See, that's revolutionary what we want! Viva le' revolution!

[Rose Siding]

12. Yeah it's all a huge conspiracy.

Viva le' revolution! (the one that's losing by 2.5 million votes)

[cynatnite]

4. Ooh, I know the answer!

People voted for her. Right? Dontcha get delegates when you win lots of states along with superdelegates?

[seabeyond]

7. Bah ha ha ha. What an outrageously ridiculous OP.

[oasis]

9. Hillary's recent SWEEP is a sure magnet for even more super delegates.

It just stands to reason.

[RobertEarl]

10. Book mark that

Because here comes the Bernie broom.

[Cheese Sandwich]

13. Wine 'em and dine 'em

Private Dinner at Clinton's Home

Trying to win over those who are undecided, Clinton wined and dined 17 superdelegates this week at her posh Washington home.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4454683&page=1


That was 2008.

No really it's just because they want to get on the good side of someone they all think is about to be president.

[NCTraveler]

14. She doesn't have to lure them, she has to keep them.

Sanders has to lure them.

[Zynx]

15. Umm...Because she is the overwhelming choice of Democratic voters?

She will almost unquestionably have more voters and elected delegates by the end of the process.

[RobertEarl]

21. It ain't over yet

24 states to go.

The question is: Isn't it dictatorial to decide an outcome before democratic process is complete?

[Squinch]

29. Sorry but this is just ridiculous histrionics. Who is deciding an outcome before a democratic

process is complete?

Bernie has the right to keep running and he is doing so.

People have the right to say that there is no real viable path for him and to call for him to stop. They have that right because it is true. And that is how the democratic process works.

The drama of suggesting that anyone is forcing anything on you or him, or is interfering with the democratic process by calling for him to bow out, is infantile.

[RobertEarl]

31. Sure

Before the first vote was cast the decision was made to crown Hillary as queen. You can deny that all you want, it doesn't matter to me. What matters is democracy.

Let my people vote! Quit suppressing the vote and quit having the elite make the decisions. Get bribery out of campaigns and end media bias. You should be supportive of all that. Are you?

[Squinch]

33. What play are you and the rest of the high school drama club putting on this year? Break a leg!

No one is suppressing anyone's vote. Hillary is winning the popular vote. Whether you agree with the majority or not your assertion that the elite are making the decisions is asinine. The majority is making the decisions. They disagree with you. Deal with it.

Bernie's financial purity is a myth. Deal with it.

Media bias is a fact, and it works against all Democrats. Deal with that too.

Also, what exactly is it that you think Bernie will do to end media bias? In his decades in Congress, what has Bernie EVER done to end media bias, if that is a major issue for him. While we're at it, what laws has he gotten passed that do anything about campaign financing - which I assume is what you are referring to when you talk about bribery? He has done NOTHING about either of those issues that are so important to him. What makes you think he'll do anything about them now?

You should stop suggesting that the majority of Democrats are evil and you and your buddies are the only ones who are pure enough to hold an opinion. Will you?

[desmiller]

54. Due to record low turnout,

"overwhelming" is an absolute overstatement.

[Zynx]

56. We're doing better than 2004. It's not record low.

It's lower than 2008, but hardly rock bottom. Also, isn't Sanders's entire pitch that he can cause a political revolution of earth-shattering turnout? Oh, that's not happening.

[Gothmog]

16. So is Sanders going to start raising money for the party?

Has Sanders decided to support down ballot candidates?

[RobertEarl]

20. They should raise money the way he raises money

The honest way. He is setting an example for them. They should follow.

Viva le' revolution!

[Gothmog]

22. So Sanders is not interested in supporting the party

That will not help him convince super delegates to support him.

[RobertEarl]

23. So, they have a price?

They can be bought? Money will get then to vote?

Isn't that special.

[Gothmog]

24. Yes, helping to build and grow the Democratic Party and supporting its candidates

Sanders is not interested in the Democratic Party and so will have a very hard time convincing super delegates or pledged delegates to flip for him. If you want to be the nominee of the Democratic Party, then you need to support the Democratic Party

[RobertEarl]

25. Well you're wrong

Sanders is interested in the party. He is actually running as a Democrat and what he hopes to do is make the party the best it can be and part of that is weaning it from bribery.

[Gothmog]

38. Sanders says he ran as a Democrat for 'media coverage'

Does Sanders know this? He had a different story just a couple of days ago http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-independent-media-coverage-220747

Bernie Sanders on Monday told NBC’s Chuck Todd that he ran as a Democrat to get more media coverage.

During a town hall-style event in Columbus, Ohio, the independent Vermont senator said, “In terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.” He then took a dig at MNSBC, telling Todd, the network “would not have me on his program” if he ran as an independent.

Money also played a role in his decision to run as a Democrat, Sanders added.

“To run as an independent, you need — you could be a billionaire," he said. "If you're a billionaire, you can do that. I'm not a billionaire. So the structure of American politics today is such that I thought the right ethic was to run within the Democratic Party.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-independent-media-coverage-220747#ixzz43I2c2ANM
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Sanders will have a very hard time convincing super delegates or pledged delegates to flip for him.

[RobertEarl]

48. Hard time? No shit.

That's why the rest of us need to badger them until they cry uncle and they flip for Bernie.

[Gothmog]

50. Thank you for the laughs

That tactic worked very well with Senator Warren.

[RobertEarl]

51. Well

I don't know why you aren't on my ignore list.

Should say weren't.

Take a bow, you represent the losing establishment of the party well.

[Gothmog]

55. How are the efforts to get Senator Warren to endorse Sanders going?

[Lil Missy]

26. Because she has earned them. n/t

[RobertEarl]

27. Most pledged before the first vote

Some a year ago before the campaigns even began.

It reminds me of how royalty operates, not democracy.

Bernie stands a good chance of getting many of them to change now that it is seen he is the best chance for the party to win the WH.

[Gothmog]

39. Do you know any super delegates?

I know a few and they are long time party activists who care about the long term success of the party. These people are committing to vote based on what they believe to be in the best interest of the party. Sanders has not been a part of the party and people doubt that he cares about the party. Sanders' response to the Monday night townhall will hurt him in any attempt to flip a super delegate

[RobertEarl]

44. Sure

They care so much they lost the last elections and now republicans rule. I wouldn't brag on them at all. They need to feel the Bern and get with the real change.

[Lil Missy]

43. Your assumption is based on a false premise - that he has the best chance of winning WH.

And he has to beat Hillary, which he can't do. Yes, yes, I know you believe that Bernie is going to sweep the remaining states and delegates. We'll just have to see.

[RobertEarl]

45. Like I said above

The establishment has been losing to republicans. That's why we should all be supporting Bernie. He can whoop their asses and bring change to the party and the country. Hillary is just more of the same.

[Lil Missy]

47. Again, based on false premises. n/t

[RobertEarl]

49. Is it false republicans rule?

That they control congress and most states? Why would anyone support more of that losing situation?

[obamanut2012]

52. lolz

Will absolutely never, ever happen. And, shouldn't.

[RobertEarl]

53. Yep

You have just about convinced me.

Democracy is dead. The party has killed it. That's why so many are leaving the party and why people won't even fucking vote. What's the use? Even on DU PUMAs and people opposed to democracy are allowed to run amok.

[grossproffit]

28. Because she's winning. WTF? First election?

[Squinch]

30. Long learning curve.

[RobertEarl]

32. She will lose the GE

Is this your first time in politics? She is unelectable. Hardly anyone outside the establishment party hacks like her. Look how well the hacks have hacked up the party -- losing congress over the last 6 years. They are taking the party down and their candidate is Hillary.

With Bernie we have a chance of hope for real change.

[Beacool]

37. Your opinion, not facts.

Today on RCP, she's +6.3

Hillary: 47.3

Trump: 41.0

[Gothmog]

42. If you really believe this, then you can make some good money on the options markets

The Democrats and Clinton are being given a 71% chance of winning in November. http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner The free market system disagrees with your assessment but the investors setting this price would be happy to take your money. Open an account and buy a contract if you really believe your analysis

[RobertEarl]

46. I would bet

That if Hillary is president we will see WW3. And GW get worse.

Wanna bet?

[Beacool]

35. Simple, because she's ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote.

If this is still the case in July, super delegates will not switch to her opponent. They will not go against the will of the people.