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whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:00 PM Mar 2016

Can we dispense with the idiot notion that Bernie is responsible for policing the internet?

The man is running a presidential campaign ffs. He doesn't have time read, let alone deal with, what anonymous people say online. All this "Bernie lost me because he won't put an end to it" nonsense is absurd. He is to date, the only candidate to make a formal call for supporters to be civil. Hillary hasn't. And please spare us the "we don't attack and disparage people online" BS, that would be a laughable fiction.

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Can we dispense with the idiot notion that Bernie is responsible for policing the internet? (Original Post) whatchamacallit Mar 2016 OP
Her and omalley supporters have good relations with us bravenak Mar 2016 #1
What does this have to do with the OP? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #2
She dont need to call on her supoorters because they aint doing it bravenak Mar 2016 #4
Sorry, that's utter bullshit whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #5
Thats why all the articles are written about his fans for the nost part bravenak Mar 2016 #6
And nearly every one of them is from a source that supports Hillary whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #7
Bubble bravenak Mar 2016 #8
He should 'bubble'? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #9
Not worth it with this one. Dawgs Mar 2016 #12
Pretty bubbles in the air Autumn Mar 2016 #32
*Laughing* whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #33
Enjoy this one, I'm gonna use it as a reply to the many OPs Autumn Mar 2016 #36
Haha... love it whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #38
No its not... not at all uponit7771 Mar 2016 #22
Yes it is whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #26
+1 - Thank you! fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #3
+100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 n/t Dawgs Mar 2016 #10
Agreed! potone Mar 2016 #11
Thanks whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #13
Oh, I've been here a long time. potone Mar 2016 #16
I feel ya whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #17
Does that apply to Trump's responsibility to his supporters' words and actions as well? frazzled Mar 2016 #14
Nice theory whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #15
+1 dana_b Mar 2016 #41
Does Bernie shout "Get em out" artislife Mar 2016 #27
I tried to promote civility and all I got was a block. joshcryer Mar 2016 #18
Good on you for making an effort whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #19
That's the exact response. joshcryer Mar 2016 #20
Sanders didn't give the same grace to a guy who was running the country so, don't know about that.. uponit7771 Mar 2016 #21
I'm trying to solve your riddle whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #23
The poster still thinks Sanders somehow doesn't like Obama... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #25
I've heard some of the most ridiculous excuses. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #24
Yeah, the reasoning, if you could call it that, is all over the map whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #31
Bernie is too smart to read DU nt artislife Mar 2016 #28
Haha no shit whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #29
Exactly - why anyone puts stock in what 'internet user A or B' has to say and judge candidates by it blm Mar 2016 #30
You'll have hardened their resolve with this, I suspect, and little else. sibelian Mar 2016 #34
Well, it's like this... Scootaloo Mar 2016 #35
Ain't that the truth whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #37
OH! You got it Autumn Mar 2016 #39
"Her failures are passed off as anyone, everyone else's fault..." SMC22307 Mar 2016 #45
FWIW, I don't think that it's so serious that Bernie, himself, should respond to it Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #40
Here's the problem I see with that whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #42
Agreed mythology Mar 2016 #43
Yeah, that's one of my favs of the anti-Bernie hysteria. SMC22307 Mar 2016 #44
When your ignore list nears 400 esteemed Hillary supporters FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #46
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
4. She dont need to call on her supoorters because they aint doing it
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016

Nowhere near as bad. There are article written all over about his fabs and they refuse to just take inventory and stop. Nobody would keep piling on if they stopped.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
7. And nearly every one of them is from a source that supports Hillary
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:14 PM
Mar 2016

But let's bypass the issue of the legitimacy of the articles, and get to the point; Realistically, WTF is Bernie supposed to do about it?

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
12. Not worth it with this one.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

Doesn't matter what you say. Apparently all Bernie supporters, and Bernie himself, are racist in some way. All Hillary supporters, on the other hand, are better than all of us.

Autumn

(45,082 posts)
36. Enjoy this one, I'm gonna use it as a reply to the many OPs
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

that insist Bernie do what no one has ever done or been asked to do. The use of it in the recycled OPs will just wear it out

https://gfycat.com/ImprobableDeficientItalianbrownbear

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
26. Yes it is
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

There are vile posts and tweets all over the Internet from Hillary supporters. To deny it is insane.

potone

(1,701 posts)
11. Agreed!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:24 PM
Mar 2016

Disagreeing with Bernie's policy proposals is one thing, expecting him to control what other people say is ridiculous. And I have read just as obnoxious comments directed to Sander's supporters as I have toward Hillary's supporters. In fact, most of the attacks on Bernie are not on him at all, but on his supporters. There has been very little in the way of reasoned criticism of his proposed policies, just comments to the effect that he can't win or that his policies will be obstructed by the Republicans (as if Hillary's won't be) or that his policies are too expensive.

What should matter is priorities and vision. What kind of country do we want to have? Who is best suited to undo the terrible effects of Republican governance? Who is trying to build a broad popular movement to effect change? I'm sorry, but I just don't see Hillary moving us far enough in the right direction. We have gone too far down the path to ruin both domestically and abroad, in my view, for incremental changes to be adequate. We are in a crisis on all fronts, and if we have another banking collapse as in 2008, it will be very, very difficult to recover from the damage.

Thank you for your post, whatchamacallit!

potone

(1,701 posts)
16. Oh, I've been here a long time.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

I just don't post very often. But I am getting tired of the atmosphere here. I realize that passions run high during primary season, but this is becoming out of control. I don't think it was this bad in the 2008 campaign, and that was bad enough. I think I will be spending less time here if more Bernie supporters get banned or leave. The changes that I have seen in DU since I joined in 2004 have been disheartening, to say the least.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
14. Does that apply to Trump's responsibility to his supporters' words and actions as well?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:36 PM
Mar 2016

Look, leaders set the tone for their supporters. When supporters behave badly, it reflects on the candidate and their message, and on their leadership abilities. And candidates set the tone: a candidate who angrily pulls off his mic and storms off in the middle of an interview is likely to be sending a message that anger is an appropriate form of behavior for those who follow him. That's all I have to say about it.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
15. Nice theory
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

but you can't show me anything Bernie has said or done that makes him responsible for what people do online. Trump openly incites, so the comparison is not valid. Is Hillary responsible for the noxious crap her supporters post?

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
41. +1
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:09 PM
Mar 2016

I completely agree. Trump wants his supporters to get in people's faces. Bernie wants none of that kind of stuff.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
27. Does Bernie shout "Get em out"
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

and then promise to pay legal fees for his supporters?


The h spin is too much.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
18. I tried to promote civility and all I got was a block.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:53 PM
Mar 2016

And forced to use ignore for the first time in almost a decade and a half.

The leaders in various internet groups could've done something or attempted it, but instead, for instance, see the Sanders group, where you literally have a sticky post condemning self policing.

It was hopeless from the start.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
19. Good on you for making an effort
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

I'm just weary of the 'Berne's poor leadership has spawned legions of evil Berniebros' bullshit. It's a moronic formulation.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
21. Sanders didn't give the same grace to a guy who was running the country so, don't know about that..
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:34 PM
Mar 2016

... yet.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
23. I'm trying to solve your riddle
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

but it's hard. Is this an Obama reference? Could you explain the 'grace' that was denied?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
25. The poster still thinks Sanders somehow doesn't like Obama...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

...it's weird. But acknowledging that we can do better (which should always be the goal, right?) is somehow disrespecting him.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
24. I've heard some of the most ridiculous excuses.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

That he should denounce the negative comments he knows about or he is complicit. And if he doesn't know about them, then his campaign is a piece of shit, because they should be informing him of every thing his millions of supporters say on the internet.

He can't win with them...If he spent 24 hours a day calling out every bad thing people say on the internets, he would have no time to campaign...and if he doesn't, he's a dirty racist....

If only they applied the same kind of vigor and creativity in criticizing their own candidate.

blm

(113,059 posts)
30. Exactly - why anyone puts stock in what 'internet user A or B' has to say and judge candidates by it
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016

is beyond me. I also believe the worst of the As or Bs are getting paid by GOP$$$$ to keep the Dem supporter camps as divided as possible.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
35. Well, it's like this...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders is expected to meet exacting standards. when he achieves that, the standards are arbitrarily changed to make sure he still falls short. He has to jump every hurdle, eveyr hoop perfectly, and when he makes it to the end of the run, well, just add another hurdle, another hoop, and demand he do them all again. His prior achievements count for nothing no matter how big, but any past failings are magnified to absolutely define him as a person.

Meanwhile over on the other side of the ticket, we have Hillary Clinton who is held to no standards. No expectations. She's a darling, pampered and protected. Her failures are passed off as anyone, everyone else's fault, while her achievements, no matter how small, are made the whole of her. She doesn't have to jump any hoops or clear any hurdles for approval. Just by showing up, she's declared the winner.

basically? One candidate has to put in four times the work to be considered one fourth as good as the other candidate, who doesn't have to do any work to be considered perfect.

What do you think is behind that, I wonder. I mean back when it was 2008, and Hillary supporters demanded all that same of Obama, we knew EXACTLY what it was. But now it's two white people in the contest and... oh. OH! Okay, I get it now.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
45. "Her failures are passed off as anyone, everyone else's fault..."
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

I see that in some of her biggest supporters as well. One of whom is participating in this thread.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
40. FWIW, I don't think that it's so serious that Bernie, himself, should respond to it
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

But Jeff Weaver should.

Don't think that people on both campaigns don't read what's going on here.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
42. Here's the problem I see with that
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

To do so requires acknowledging and legitimizing a problem that is largely a myth. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of assholes, agitators, trolls, provocateurs... on both sides, but this Berniebro phenomenon is mostly a divisive campaign ploy.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
43. Agreed
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:24 PM
Mar 2016

There are people who act like assholes on the internet. Given the Sanders demographics being heavily youth oriented, it makes sense that there would be a higher percentage of them to suck online. But given that women journalists get rape threats and I know of one who had a troll pretend to be her dead dad that have nothing to do with politics, it's certainly not Sanders' fault.

I know a woman who decided to train men's gymnastics and in an article on her, there were all sorts of claims that she was born a man or a man hating lesbian (both claims would come as quite the surprise to her husband and the twins they had last year.

Any substantial out of bounds attacks lobbed by Sanders aren't related to Sanders.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
44. Yeah, that's one of my favs of the anti-Bernie hysteria.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

A political candidate is supposed to be able to control the internet. There's a pattern: The same people making the policing demands try to control speech on DU. Fuck that.

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