2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Hillary Has an NSA Problem"
link; excerpt:if the FBI recommends prosecution of her or members of her inner circle for mishandling of classified informationwhich is something the politically unconnected routinely do face prosecution forits by no means certain that the Department of Justice will follow the FBIs lead.... That said, if DoJ declines to prosecute after the Bureau recommends doing so, a leak-fest of a kind not seen in Washington, D.C., since Watergate should be anticipated. ... Neither is the FBI the only powerful Federal agency that Hillary Clinton needs to worry about as she plots her path to the White House between scandals and leaks. For years, she has been on the bad side of the National Security Agency, Americas most important intelligence agency, as revealed by just-released State Department documents obtained by Judicial Watch under the Freedom of Information Act.... The contents of Sid Blumenthals June 8, 2011 email to Hillary Clintonto her personal, unclassified accountwere based on highly sensitive NSA information.... This email contains an amazingly detailed assessment of events in Sudan, specifically a coup being plotted by top generals in that war-torn country. Mr. Blumenthals information came from a top-ranking source with direct access to Sudans top military and intelligence officials, and recounted a high-level meeting that had taken place only twenty-four hours before.... the contents of Sid Blumenthals June 8, 2011 email to Hillary Clinton, sent to her personal, unclassified account, were indeed based on highly sensitive NSA information. The Agency investigated this compromise and determined that Mr. Blumenthals highly detailed account of Sudanese goings-on, including the retelling of high-level conversations in that country, was indeed derived from NSA intelligence. ...How Sid Blumenthal got his hands on this information is the key question, and theres no firm answer yet. The fact that he was able to take four separate highly classified NSA reports none of which he was supposed to have any access to and pass the details of them to Hillary Clinton via email only hours after NSA released them in Top Secret / Special Intelligence channels, indicates something highly unusualas well as illegalwas going on.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)where she asked for a secure phone and they decided she shouldn't have one, so now that she was using a not secure phone, it is hard for them to not share the blame, Unless there is some technology that is limited by rank.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that is published by Donald Trump's son in law.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)If you were to search my past posts for "Sudan Intel" (the key emails from Blumenthal he refers to), some will pop up. Here's a couple from a week or so ago (before I saw this article today):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1460074
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1374061
You can look at the emails he's talking about here
http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/
Put in Sender/receiver:Sidney Blumenthal
and this date range: 2011-06-07 - 2011-06-09
and voila!
I felt stuff like "Sudan Intel" was an instant give away that she was emailing stuff she should not have been because
a) information about foreign countries is born classified
b) intelligence should be born classified
c) material in them was usually redacted - sometimes even the email subject
If you doubt the depositions from the Intelligence Community and the February press conference where the State Department did not dispute the depositions that claimed material was classified at the time of transmission, then use your head above after reading over the President's executive order, the law and cases law. I'm confident a number of rational, objective folks would reach similar conclusions.
I have seen others report something fairly similar - that classified material from the NSA system looked like it was being cut and pasted into State Department emails.
The article also explains this - or makes more sense of it:
Sidney Blumenthals Benghazi Testimony Focuses More On Domestic Politics Than The Attack
It wasn't purely and only politics. And that's why the testimony wasn't released. Because he had classified info in his emails and they probably went down that path some with him (maybe without giving away the info he had was classified).
This claim that all 2,100+ classified emails were classified retroactively is arguably technically accurate kind of like Bill's interpretation of "sexual relations" as in "I did not have sexual relations with that woman .. (and blow jobs don't count!)". Because what she isn't telling voters is the law doesn't care whether it was "marked' classified or not. The State Department and Hillary was obligated not to email any classified material - marked or not marked - because part of their job was to classify material and protect that information. And they were obligated not to store classified material in an unauthorized, unsecure place.
Yesterday, they reported nine emails between her and President Obama were not on her server. If they're in her deleted set and classified, she has more than a mishandling of classified material problem.
This is not a little "oops". This is a pretty big F**K up.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Republicans are chomping at the bit to get after her. No one should be surprised except those who blindly support her no matter what she says, does, or doesn't do.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Cruz will not push the issue (they will offer non-prosecution as an olive branch to the Democrats if we nominate Hillary).
Pres. Sanders will not push the issue.
Regardless, there is no scenario where she gets impeached because she doesn't get elected -- the FBI recommendation for indictment and the DoJ's refusal poisons the well even without any indictment and prosecution.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Repubs would go after her. But if she loses, there is no one to impeach.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)issue of the FBI recommendation of an indictment, which Obama's DoJ will obviously decline to pursue.
Every time we tell the Senate to do it's job and hold a hearing on our SCOTUS nominee, the Republicans will respond "when will DoJ do it's job?"
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, Attorney in Texas.