2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie bails on AIPAC
per CNN..
Sanders, the first Jewish politician to ever win a presidential primary, is the only remaining 2016 contender who will not speak at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a major gathering for politicians and Jewish leaders every year.
In a letter to AIPAC President Robert Cohen, Sanders expressed regret that he could not attend the annual conference, but said "issues impacting Israel and the Middle East are of the utmost importance to me, to our country and to the world."
Sanders said he was scheduled to be traveling throughout the West and his campaign schedule prevents him from attending. He said he would send remarks to the organization in the hopes that they could be distributed to members as AIPAC does not permit candidates to address the conference remotely.
Sanders' opponent, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, will be a featured speaker.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/18/politics/bernie-sanders-aipac-speaking/index.html
Not smart. Seems Bernie is giving up.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)He just doesn't.
So many of us saw this from the beginning.
I always liked him...but, no. Just no.
He is good on his issues but he is just not as well versed in the rest of what we need in a president.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)that worries me, and I'm not sure if it's because I think it's short temper ( not good) or cowardice in the face of tough questions (even worse.)
I'm glad I made the choice I did. And I did think a great deal about it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)His social skills are a bit lacking. I worry about him behaving like that with world leaders or a conference. I think he has not spent anytime on issues he is not comfortable with and gets frustrated.
I am also glad I switched. That Trey Gowdy stuff proved that she can handle anything.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Even against Obama, but I voted for him as the nominee and for the second term.
When Bernie somehow came into the arena, I watched, listened and was open minded.
But Hillary survived my inspection/observation/judgment.
Bernie did not. And the way he's acting as (it seems) he implodes, makes me feel even more confident in my choice.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Once things got so bad, I started watching him to see what was wrong, and I saw. It was all anger and railing but the solutions are impractical and unachievable. I see why he gets frustrated. He lacks an ability to find creative new solutions. He is stuck in a certain time politically and refused to adapt or change.
And now, as things are not going his way he is a bit erratic in my opinion.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That's it in a nutshell.
A shame, but there it is.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)For decades the Republican Party has out-negotiated Democrats and pushed the 'mainstream' further and further right. And they do it because they're better at it.
Why do they vote over and over again to repeal the ACA? Actually shut down the government? They do these things because they demonstrate what they're willing to do to get their way. Their opening negotiating positions are always extreme, and ground is lost to them year after year. ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T ELECT PEOPLE WHO WILL STAND FIRM.
Bernie Sanders' goals are the kind of starting negotiating positions the Democratic Party needs. Very, very badly. His positions have the support of millions and a great many Republicans would face serious prospects of getting the boot because of the power of that support. They'd know it, and suddenly they would be faced with the necessity of compromise for the first time in many, many years.
That's what 'impractical and unachievable solutions' will get you. Do Republican voters really think that someone like Donald Trump would kick out all Muslims from the United States? They just like the sound of it, and that hellish SOUND SCARES THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE. And that's how Republicans keep winning, even when they lose.
So thanks one hell of a lot to every Democrat who is so used to this that she/he is willing to toss the towel in before the bell has even rung. I guess it's what we're best at.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Which is the point. Getting something done as opposed to all or nothing. He is an all or nothing guy and does not negotioate or compromise. It is not a starting position. It is his ONLY position. And he will not be moved. And I'll take a cuppa if I can't get a fifth. One in the hand beats two in the imagination.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Obviously, because he doesn't know how to get things done... And never compromise. Or something like that.
I live in Minnesota. The Minnesota DFL platform includes an explicit statement of support for statewide Universal Healthcare. It's not for 'health care reform' or 'increased availability of health care services for low-income residents.' So, I guess that means that the Democratic Party in Minnesota should be losing all of the time and never getting anything done, right? It's not like we have the fourth or fifth fewest people without health insurance in the country...
Bernie Sanders doesn't have the ability to 'get it done' because Democrats like you will see that he doesn't. It's very effective to appear that you 'will not be moved' in politics. Especially when you have serious support. It means that your opposition is much more threatened by the potential cost of blocking you. It's not magic, it's negotiation. And Hillary Clinton aspires to... what, exactly? Even greater concentration of wealth in the hands of very, very few and corresponding sweeping up of what little domination they don't already have of our former Republic? How about sternly telling massive 'financial' organizations that practically function as nations to back off the siphoning of wealth out of the United States a little bit, or else she'll have to cancel dinner with them next week so that the plebes don't get the right idea?
No, I don't agree - I've seen a lot of unlikely things get done in my lifetime. I don't believe that because things seem really difficult to achieve, they can't be achieved. Or that striving for great things is pointless and, well, y'know, c'mon, just let it go, it's hard! I do know, however, that worthwhile things that are difficult to achieve won't be achieved if people just think they're too hard.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If he is so hardcore how could he let little old me stop him so easily. Hell, I'm pretty small, most sixth graders tower over me.
He was in congress for much loner than she wss and got way less done in his tine. Like I said. He cannot get things done.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)Well, you are right about one thing. Hillary Clinton successfully sponsored more bills to name things after people during her time in the Senate than anyone else in Senate history. Three of them even became law:
The Timothy J. Russell Highway
The Major George Quamo Post Office Building
The Kate Mullany National Historic Site
Those three successes are, in fact, the only bills she introduced as a United States Senator that became law. That's it. Out of nearly 400 bills she introduced.
It's actually absurd as the legislative record of a person running for the office of the Presidency based on her 'experience.'
And for Bernie Sanders' legislative history...., well, shit, you wouldn't care if he introduced fifty critical 'Save America from Impending Demise' bills that prevented the country from being destroyed by a meteor, decimated by the Black Plague or smashed into rubble by Godzilla and pals. Truth has a way of, like, messing with people's imagined realities.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)He doesn't attend an annual gathering of Israel's most powerful 'buy American politicians and conduct espionage' organization in the country and this is bad??? Here's what President Obama had to say about it last year when it was buying ads against the Iran nuclear deal - "Lobbyists spending millions of dollars for the liberal hawk rhetoric that got the US involved in the Iraq war."
AIPAC is the second most powerful 'lobbying' group in the United States, and it acts exclusively on behalf of a foreign nation. No other country in the world has anything like it in the United States, and it has somehow dodged multiple attempts to be formally designated as what it is - a foreign agent.
Just a little thing, I suppose, but have a look: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/elizabeth-sanders-bandwagon/
The first serious Jewish contender for the Presidency ever, and he's probably the best chance for real peace in the Middle East since 1948. And Hillary Clinton, whose largest individual donor of all time is Haim Saban. He made his fortune selling 'Power Rangers' and has spent a fortune lobbying the United States to keep sending Israel arms and vetoing every UNSC resolution calling out its dangerous apartheid and land-theft policies.
About half of Israeli Jews are now in favor of expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/ethnic_cleansing_is_shockingly_popular_in_israel_almost_half_of_israeli_jews_want_to_kick_out_arabs_pew_study/
Remarkably parallel to the statements of Donald Trump, isn't it?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)More made-up bullshit. I'm so old, I remember when it was only republicans who invented new rules all the time, and then criticize Dems for violating these random rules.
My, how things change.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Campaign events can be scheduled anytime.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Again: a right-wing technique of inventing new bullshit rules.
I'm proud of him for focusing on THIS country first.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Speaking at AIPAC would be a great opportunity to speak his mind and be heard by millions. Big mistake.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And we know what they say about opinions
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I suspect Bernie and his campaign knows this now. They are simply trying to hang on as long as possible hoping for a miracle.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)He's just having fun.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)It's not the end of the world.
Enough of this hand wringing. It's ridiculous.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Bernie is continuing in this race. He's favored to win several states that vote, in just four days.
Millions of his supporters are paying for the gas to keep his campaigned fueled up.
We really don't care about the little declarations you make on a messageboard.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)But the reality is he cant win. Anyone who looks at this objectively knows it.
I have no problem with Bernie hanging on till the bitter end. We do need his message (most of it) and we do need his people (most of them). I hope he is given a spot to speak at the convention.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Most likely he's not going to do that.
Reining in Israel is an issue on which he's lukewarm at best.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bernie is selective in dispensing his ire.
choie
(4,111 posts)important than talking to citizens who vote? and that makes him unfit to be president? What kind of cockamamie reasoning is that? It is not at all like being asked to talk with a head of state or the UN. You guys will say ANYTHING to demean Bernie.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)He should give em hell.
choie
(4,111 posts)what the hell else is it? or are other views on the Middle East contrary to AIPAC's allowed to be spoken there?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)he wouldn't be yanked off the stage, but the response would be highly negative, and you know it. Unlike Clinton, Bernie is not willing to be duplicitous in order to get votes.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)What does he have to lose?
choie
(4,111 posts)then you could post a lot of articles that say "Bernie Sanders booed at AIPAC Conference" I'm sure you're very disappointed that you won't have that opportunity.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)when a foreign organization - it really is - dedicated to buying American politicians and threatening the ones that don't play ball, throws a party every year and it's considered an important political event?
They do this all so that a country of around 8 million can dominate the foreign policy of a country with over 300 million, a country with more military power than any before in human history.
Do you know anything about AIPAC? Study its history of espionage and bribery a bit. And think.
Bernie Sanders is demonstrating his crystal-clear allegiance to the United States of America by avoiding AIPAC, and it's sad that the first serious Jewish contender for the office of the Presidency actually is criticized by Democrats for doing so.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)A pattern might be discerned.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Some other candidates, I gotta wonder.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)AIPAC is a major event and our message should be heard.. .not just the GOP's.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the farthest up AIPAC's backside?
I can see why Bernie chose not to attend.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)video like Romney and others..I'm sick of the unfair and biased treatment Bernie is getting including the title of this OP.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Much more effective.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's a right-wing extremist group that exists solely to unquestioningly defend Netanyahu and the Occupation and the illegal settlements-none of which are good for Israel or the rest of the world.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Great chance to get his message out regarding this critical issue.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
It was courageous of Bernie to avoid AIPAC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1527307
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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Disgusting anti-Israel comment.
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Explanation: Not a good alert imo. And btw, there are Jews in Israel that think AIPAC is often counter productive to the greater good. Some also think the settlements are a bad idea. Really, just engage with the poster next time.
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Evidently, an anti-Bernie DUer felt that your post was anti-Israel, which I--and four other DUers--didn't get at all.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Thanks for the support! I feel like Im being gangbanged.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)they let Romney do it by remote video...which tells you all that you need to know about the organization
pangaia
(24,324 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)AIPAC is hard RW and Bernie has made it clear he supports a two-state solution. There is no dealing with AIPAC on this issue.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)It's an absurdity of American politics that an actual foreign agent of a country with a population of around 8 million people exercises extraordinary influence over our foreign/military policies. And for some reason American politicians are supposed to show up for its annual policy ('let's dole out the goodies') convention... Why?
Of course, the interesting thing is that Bernie Sanders, an American secular Jew, would probably be the most aggressive 'Make peace and stop stealing land or I'll stop vetoing U.N. resolutions telling you to...' president in American history.
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)Anyone partaking in this AIPAC event has either no intentions on showing integrity in FP or they are just there for the heck of it. Bernie gets my respect for this, he's standing up for Palestinians and minorities who are affected by the war lobby and war agenda.
DFab420
(2,466 posts)I'm confused.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Into the "Lion's Den"... why not?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)AIPAC represents and advocates for the hard right of Israeli policy. Not everyone - here or in Israel - agrees with their approach.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)He needs to be on the campaign trail in the field.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Speaking at AiPAC would be a great opportunity to speak his mind and be heard by millions. Big mistake skipping it.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Losing any of the upcoming caucuses would really be bad news for Sanders and he knows it.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Speaking at AIPAC is a big opportunity to speak his mind on the Israeli/Palestinian issue. Big mistake.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)first smart thing i have seen you post - "its over"
baby steps
TM99
(8,352 posts)far different than it actually is.
Sanders requested the option to be able to address the conference via live video. AIPAC declined. Yet, they allowed both Gingrich and Romney, who were also campaigning, to do so in 2012. Why not this time?
He has campaign committments, and he should have been allowed like other candidates were in the past to do so via live video.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)If as you argue, this is simply for 'exposure' a live video feed works just as well. It seem to work just fine for Romney and Gingrich.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)In this day and age, a live feed makes little difference. It would still be broadcast to the media and the conference would be as it was in 2012.
You are trying to create and issue where the only issue is why did they deny his request. I can speculate that it will involve a connection to a Clinton is involved.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)He doesn't give a shit if Bernie went or not.
He's just pissing.
Ignore him...
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I do care.
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MerryBlooms
(11,769 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)I don't walk on eggshells around bullies nor do I censor myself beyond normal communication etiquette.
But I do agree, it is often hopeless.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Such drama.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)All the more reason to like him.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Bernie position in the primary IMHO has no bearing on him speaking to this lobby.
Thanks for the link!
This event is very high profile event and will be covered by tons of media. Great opportunity to get his message out.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Does he need the approval of apartheid's lobbyists?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bernie is not going to win the nomination.. but he can still have a big impact on issues important to Democrats.. like the Israeli/Palestinian issue.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Duh.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)They have very little impact on anything.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You're about as believable as a three dollar bill.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That's news to me.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)that the world turns on what happens at AIPAC: The American-Israel Palestinian Apartheid Committee.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)SMDH...
AzDar
(14,023 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Here's the text.
March 18, 2016
President Robert Cohen
American Israel Public Affairs Committee
251 H Street NWWashington, D.C.20001
Dear Bob,
I enjoyed the opportunity to chat with you this morning.
As I mentioned, I would very much have enjoyed speaking at the AIPAC conference. Obviously, issues impacting Israel and the Middle East are of the utmost importance to me, to our country and to the world.
Unfortunately, I am going to be traveling throughout the West and the campaign schedule that we have prevents me from attending.
Since AIPAC has chosen not to permit candidates to address the conference remotely, the best that I can do is to send you a copy of the remarks that I would have given if I was able to attend. We should be able to get that speech to you on Monday. Any help that you could give us in getting those remarks out to your members would be much appreciated.
Thanks very much. Hope the conference goes well.
Sincerely,
Bernie Sanders
And here's the drivel Salon wrote up about it.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/18/bernies_bold_move_sanders_only_candidate_to_skip_aipac_pro_israel_conference_next_week/
DCBob
(24,689 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)here's some in case they might be needed by someone
bvf
(6,604 posts)He presented an alternative. They rejected it out of hand. Screw 'em.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)A huge opportunity to have the bully pulpit to speak his mind on a critical issue. What a waste.
okasha
(11,573 posts)The AIPAC conference was schefuled long before Bernie's campaign events. His handlers should have put AIPAC on his calendar and timed rallies and such around it.
Hillary and Bernie agree on the two-state solution. This would have been a chance for them to back each other up and show a united front to Likud. Too bad that's not going to happen.
Bernie blew a great opportunity.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Yes, I'm sure you have Bernie's best interests at heart and really wanted Bernie to use the bully pulpit.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bernie is strong effective speaker with a compelling message. We need him on our side.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Doesn't much help make your point, does it?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its still correct.
bvf
(6,604 posts)that repetition creates truth.
There's a name for that.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Why speak to AIPAC when they spent millions to undermine the Presidents Iranian nuclear deal
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Figures Hillary would show up. I wonder if they're paying her.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)C'mon, who are you trying to kid? You'd love to see him G O N E
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I wish Bernie would begin to pivot to attack the GOP and Trump. He could be a great asset to Hillary and the Democratic cause.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Thanks for confirming the obvious.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Response to DCBob (Reply #75)
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, Israel, and Egypt, and Kuwait, and perhaps some troops.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Sorry, can't make it.
So how is that giving up? Not at all!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)This is a great opportunity to speak his mind on a critical issue.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I am tired of repeating myself.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)or is right click copy and right click paste too exhausting?
bvf
(6,604 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He's playing a short game now.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I wish he would look at the big picture and realize he can still play a big role in this election even if he loses the nomination.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Also his chances of blowing it are good and he's not scoring points with his base so he's probably better off hitting the hustings.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)??
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Are there any repukes going? I hope Hillary lets them know she is for a 2 state resolution
DCBob
(24,689 posts)imo.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I just do not want her to appease them. Are any repukes going?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Probably others... not sure.
jfern
(5,204 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)I guess she gave up.
Braintrust.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Cuz we DON'T want you pukin'.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)mmmkay
DCBob
(24,689 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I will give you that.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Ever consider that take?I.
I look to Paul Findley.