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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:46 PM Mar 2016

Bernie bails on AIPAC

per CNN..

Washington (CNN)Bernie Sanders confirmed Friday afternoon that he will not attend a major pro-Israel conference in Washington next week.

Sanders, the first Jewish politician to ever win a presidential primary, is the only remaining 2016 contender who will not speak at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a major gathering for politicians and Jewish leaders every year.

In a letter to AIPAC President Robert Cohen, Sanders expressed regret that he could not attend the annual conference, but said "issues impacting Israel and the Middle East are of the utmost importance to me, to our country and to the world."

Sanders said he was scheduled to be traveling throughout the West and his campaign schedule prevents him from attending. He said he would send remarks to the organization in the hopes that they could be distributed to members as AIPAC does not permit candidates to address the conference remotely.

Sanders' opponent, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, will be a featured speaker.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/18/politics/bernie-sanders-aipac-speaking/index.html

Not smart. Seems Bernie is giving up.
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Bernie bails on AIPAC (Original Post) DCBob Mar 2016 OP
They should let him do a video bravenak Mar 2016 #1
He just hasn't got what is needed to be our president. cwydro Mar 2016 #51
I agree bravenak Mar 2016 #53
And the walking out on interviews... cwydro Mar 2016 #60
It just looks bad. bravenak Mar 2016 #66
I was a long time Hillary supporter. cwydro Mar 2016 #78
I was ready to fully support him bravenak Mar 2016 #83
Perfectly put. cwydro Mar 2016 #91
'The solutions are impractical and unachievable.'... RiverNoord Mar 2016 #100
He does not have the ability to get it done bravenak Mar 2016 #102
Bernie Sanders' legislative record is vastly more impressive than that of Senator Hillary Clinton's RiverNoord Mar 2016 #118
Oh? bravenak Mar 2016 #121
'Hardcore?' Are we street gangs fighting over who gets to hang out on an intersection? RiverNoord Mar 2016 #131
What??? RiverNoord Mar 2016 #94
He's holding campaign events instead. How is that "giving up"? arcane1 Mar 2016 #2
Good grief... this is a big event. DCBob Mar 2016 #3
Um, campaign events are generally planned around primaries, etc. Not random. arcane1 Mar 2016 #9
FYI.. Bernie is toast.. he is not going win the nomination. DCBob Mar 2016 #12
So you say. You're wrong, and your opinion is just that. arcane1 Mar 2016 #16
Well anyone who has looked and understands the math knows this is over. DCBob Mar 2016 #52
Why waste your time with this guy? pangaia Mar 2016 #56
That hurts my feelings. DCBob Mar 2016 #70
Seriously. I'd be better off talking to a pinecone. n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #146
Heard by millions of West Bank colonists no less. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #31
Oh please CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #54
Not the "end of the world".. just the end of Bernie. DCBob Mar 2016 #58
Actually, it's not Bob CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #69
No doubt Bernie will trudge on. DCBob Mar 2016 #71
Actually, speaking against AIPAC would be the bigger opportunity JackRiddler Mar 2016 #61
Exactly. DCBob Mar 2016 #62
Oh so pandering to AIPAC, which is a lobbying group, is more choie Mar 2016 #104
Who said anything about pandering?? DCBob Mar 2016 #105
I say it's pandering... choie Mar 2016 #114
So if he speaks his mind will they just yank him off the stage? DCBob Mar 2016 #115
Come on - - choie Mar 2016 #116
He should go for it. DCBob Mar 2016 #120
I'm sure you would love that... choie Mar 2016 #122
Wow - what a brainwash. What can we ever hope to achieve RiverNoord Mar 2016 #124
Make a statement. DCBob Mar 2016 #125
Looks petty. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #28
Don't overuse that now. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #65
So what? His loyalty is to the United States. Octafish Mar 2016 #4
Yes, and same for Hillary. DCBob Mar 2016 #10
Is the event going to be about which party presses their face R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #55
Bernie is sooo bad. He offereed because of conflict of schedule to do it by bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #5
If he is willing to do a video.. he should have done it in person. DCBob Mar 2016 #15
+100000. eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #117
It was courageous of Bernie to avoid AIPAC. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #6
He should have gone into the "lion's den" and spoke his mind. DCBob Mar 2016 #24
Seems like someone took offense... chervilant Mar 2016 #29
But he was "brave" going to Liberty U? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #30
+1 DCBob Mar 2016 #42
he was willing to do a video, which they did not accept virtualobserver Mar 2016 #45
BRAVO !! pangaia Mar 2016 #64
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2016 #103
Ab-solutely right, Ken farleftlib Mar 2016 #40
Damn straight. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #97
Giving up??? RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #7
Are there Dems in here that are supporters of AIPAC over American Voters? DFab420 Mar 2016 #8
Not me.. but whats wrong with speaking at this event? DCBob Mar 2016 #13
Is Likud now synonymous with Israel? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #11
GOod for Bernie Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #14
Bernie has about a zero chance of winning this thing. DCBob Mar 2016 #18
Bernie has to win the caucuses in Idaho and Utah and Wash. He's been pointing to them for weeks. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #17
He can win them but it wont matter.. its over. DCBob Mar 2016 #20
Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #41
As usual, the slight distortions of the truth make it look TM99 Mar 2016 #19
In person would be much more effective.. no? DCBob Mar 2016 #21
Why? TM99 Mar 2016 #23
For obvious reasons. DCBob Mar 2016 #25
Hardly obvious. TM99 Mar 2016 #35
Why waste time with this guy. pangaia Mar 2016 #68
That hurts. DCBob Mar 2016 #81
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #85
Save your breath and risk of alerts. It's hopeless. MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #34
I don't care about their alerts. TM99 Mar 2016 #37
LOL... DCBob Mar 2016 #39
:P MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #95
Good for Bernie re: AIPAC. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #22
I happen to disagree NWCorona Mar 2016 #26
Why not? DCBob Mar 2016 #43
LOL! When do Israelis vote for Bernie? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #27
Its not about votes.. its about getting his message out. DCBob Mar 2016 #33
Message out to whom...besides apartheid's lobbyists??? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #57
The world media will cover this event extensively. DCBob Mar 2016 #59
Like they cover CPAC. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #63
CPAC is a joke. DCBob Mar 2016 #67
So is AIPAC. World media...LOL! R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #123
The world media wont be covering this event? DCBob Mar 2016 #126
It's a BS RW talking point of epic proportions R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #128
Good. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #32
... chervilant Mar 2016 #36
Go, Bernie... GO! AzDar Mar 2016 #38
Salon is trying to make this into some kind of "principled stand," despite the letter Sanders sent. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #44
Sounds like when I make excuses to blow off a party I dont want to go to. DCBob Mar 2016 #47
except you probably aren't invited to extreme-right political parties...are you? islandmkl Mar 2016 #132
speaking of drivel azurnoir Mar 2016 #129
Very smart of him. bvf Mar 2016 #46
Very dumb of him. DCBob Mar 2016 #50
Tad Devine strikes again. okasha Mar 2016 #74
Exactly. DCBob Mar 2016 #76
LOL noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #86
Yes I do. DCBob Mar 2016 #89
Now you're just repeating yourself. bvf Mar 2016 #96
Well, when I get the same question over and over... I give the same answer. DCBob Mar 2016 #99
You seem to be under the impression bvf Mar 2016 #143
Good Truprogressive85 Mar 2016 #48
To give em hell! DCBob Mar 2016 #49
Yeah I forgot about that Politicalboi Mar 2016 #72
Like you care a whit about Bernie..... TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #73
Not really. DCBob Mar 2016 #75
Right. Playing second fiddle to Hillary. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #77
I think it more as a tag team. DCBob Mar 2016 #79
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #87
Quick, get Hillary to send more arms to Saudi Arabia! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #80
Bernie is not giving up. All he did was say no to AIPAC. 7wo7rees Mar 2016 #82
Then why? DCBob Mar 2016 #84
Why is it not smart? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #88
Please read above. DCBob Mar 2016 #90
Could you be more specific? Perhaps you could use copy and paste? notadmblnd Mar 2016 #119
No, you're not. bvf Mar 2016 #144
Nothing there for him anyway. ucrdem Mar 2016 #92
Yes.. unfortunately DCBob Mar 2016 #93
Well, it was never his strong suit, and he's had a rotten week ucrdem Mar 2016 #98
I will worry about Bernie bailing on AIPAC, right after Hillary bails on Goldman Sacs. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #101
This- 1,000,000 RECS!! choie Mar 2016 #106
Thank God Bernie is not appearing in front of a group that has no interest in a two state solution. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #107
I support Hillary and I wouldn't go to this. nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #108
Hillary is going. DCBob Mar 2016 #109
I know. I myself would not fun n serious Mar 2016 #110
I think she will.. that's why its important to go. DCBob Mar 2016 #111
Well then yes. I am glad she is going fun n serious Mar 2016 #112
Trump is going. DCBob Mar 2016 #113
Yes, Hillary is definitely a warmonger jfern Mar 2016 #127
Hillary didn't attend NetRoots. John Poet Mar 2016 #130
Big supporter of AIPAC are ya? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #133
They make me puke. DCBob Mar 2016 #134
KUDOS to Bernie then, right? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #135
No. Sometimes one needs to go in the lion's den. DCBob Mar 2016 #136
LOL cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #137
Brilliant retort. DCBob Mar 2016 #138
I give as good as I get. Contemplate that for a minute or two. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #139
Done. DCBob Mar 2016 #140
Took you two minutes to contemplate 14 words. My work is done here. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #141
Funny. DCBob Mar 2016 #142
Remember when Clinton bailed on the BET: Criminal Justice Reform to attend a fundraiser ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #145
Our maybe saying no to AIPAC might be a good thing. 7wo7rees Mar 2016 #147
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
51. He just hasn't got what is needed to be our president.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:29 PM
Mar 2016

He just doesn't.

So many of us saw this from the beginning.

I always liked him...but, no. Just no.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
53. I agree
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

He is good on his issues but he is just not as well versed in the rest of what we need in a president.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
60. And the walking out on interviews...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

that worries me, and I'm not sure if it's because I think it's short temper ( not good) or cowardice in the face of tough questions (even worse.)

I'm glad I made the choice I did. And I did think a great deal about it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
66. It just looks bad.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

His social skills are a bit lacking. I worry about him behaving like that with world leaders or a conference. I think he has not spent anytime on issues he is not comfortable with and gets frustrated.

I am also glad I switched. That Trey Gowdy stuff proved that she can handle anything.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
78. I was a long time Hillary supporter.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

Even against Obama, but I voted for him as the nominee and for the second term.

When Bernie somehow came into the arena, I watched, listened and was open minded.

But Hillary survived my inspection/observation/judgment.

Bernie did not. And the way he's acting as (it seems) he implodes, makes me feel even more confident in my choice.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
83. I was ready to fully support him
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

Once things got so bad, I started watching him to see what was wrong, and I saw. It was all anger and railing but the solutions are impractical and unachievable. I see why he gets frustrated. He lacks an ability to find creative new solutions. He is stuck in a certain time politically and refused to adapt or change.

And now, as things are not going his way he is a bit erratic in my opinion.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
100. 'The solutions are impractical and unachievable.'...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

For decades the Republican Party has out-negotiated Democrats and pushed the 'mainstream' further and further right. And they do it because they're better at it.

Why do they vote over and over again to repeal the ACA? Actually shut down the government? They do these things because they demonstrate what they're willing to do to get their way. Their opening negotiating positions are always extreme, and ground is lost to them year after year. ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T ELECT PEOPLE WHO WILL STAND FIRM.

Bernie Sanders' goals are the kind of starting negotiating positions the Democratic Party needs. Very, very badly. His positions have the support of millions and a great many Republicans would face serious prospects of getting the boot because of the power of that support. They'd know it, and suddenly they would be faced with the necessity of compromise for the first time in many, many years.

That's what 'impractical and unachievable solutions' will get you. Do Republican voters really think that someone like Donald Trump would kick out all Muslims from the United States? They just like the sound of it, and that hellish SOUND SCARES THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE. And that's how Republicans keep winning, even when they lose.

So thanks one hell of a lot to every Democrat who is so used to this that she/he is willing to toss the towel in before the bell has even rung. I guess it's what we're best at.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
102. He does not have the ability to get it done
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

Which is the point. Getting something done as opposed to all or nothing. He is an all or nothing guy and does not negotioate or compromise. It is not a starting position. It is his ONLY position. And he will not be moved. And I'll take a cuppa if I can't get a fifth. One in the hand beats two in the imagination.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
118. Bernie Sanders' legislative record is vastly more impressive than that of Senator Hillary Clinton's
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:19 PM
Mar 2016

Obviously, because he doesn't know how to get things done... And never compromise. Or something like that.

I live in Minnesota. The Minnesota DFL platform includes an explicit statement of support for statewide Universal Healthcare. It's not for 'health care reform' or 'increased availability of health care services for low-income residents.' So, I guess that means that the Democratic Party in Minnesota should be losing all of the time and never getting anything done, right? It's not like we have the fourth or fifth fewest people without health insurance in the country...

Bernie Sanders doesn't have the ability to 'get it done' because Democrats like you will see that he doesn't. It's very effective to appear that you 'will not be moved' in politics. Especially when you have serious support. It means that your opposition is much more threatened by the potential cost of blocking you. It's not magic, it's negotiation. And Hillary Clinton aspires to... what, exactly? Even greater concentration of wealth in the hands of very, very few and corresponding sweeping up of what little domination they don't already have of our former Republic? How about sternly telling massive 'financial' organizations that practically function as nations to back off the siphoning of wealth out of the United States a little bit, or else she'll have to cancel dinner with them next week so that the plebes don't get the right idea?

No, I don't agree - I've seen a lot of unlikely things get done in my lifetime. I don't believe that because things seem really difficult to achieve, they can't be achieved. Or that striving for great things is pointless and, well, y'know, c'mon, just let it go, it's hard! I do know, however, that worthwhile things that are difficult to achieve won't be achieved if people just think they're too hard.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
121. Oh?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

If he is so hardcore how could he let little old me stop him so easily. Hell, I'm pretty small, most sixth graders tower over me.
He was in congress for much loner than she wss and got way less done in his tine. Like I said. He cannot get things done.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
131. 'Hardcore?' Are we street gangs fighting over who gets to hang out on an intersection?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:47 PM
Mar 2016

Well, you are right about one thing. Hillary Clinton successfully sponsored more bills to name things after people during her time in the Senate than anyone else in Senate history. Three of them even became law:

The Timothy J. Russell Highway
The Major George Quamo Post Office Building
The Kate Mullany National Historic Site

Those three successes are, in fact, the only bills she introduced as a United States Senator that became law. That's it. Out of nearly 400 bills she introduced.

It's actually absurd as the legislative record of a person running for the office of the Presidency based on her 'experience.'

And for Bernie Sanders' legislative history...., well, shit, you wouldn't care if he introduced fifty critical 'Save America from Impending Demise' bills that prevented the country from being destroyed by a meteor, decimated by the Black Plague or smashed into rubble by Godzilla and pals. Truth has a way of, like, messing with people's imagined realities.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
94. What???
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

He doesn't attend an annual gathering of Israel's most powerful 'buy American politicians and conduct espionage' organization in the country and this is bad??? Here's what President Obama had to say about it last year when it was buying ads against the Iran nuclear deal - "Lobbyists spending millions of dollars for the liberal hawk rhetoric that got the US involved in the Iraq war."

AIPAC is the second most powerful 'lobbying' group in the United States, and it acts exclusively on behalf of a foreign nation. No other country in the world has anything like it in the United States, and it has somehow dodged multiple attempts to be formally designated as what it is - a foreign agent.

Just a little thing, I suppose, but have a look: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/elizabeth-sanders-bandwagon/

The first serious Jewish contender for the Presidency ever, and he's probably the best chance for real peace in the Middle East since 1948. And Hillary Clinton, whose largest individual donor of all time is Haim Saban. He made his fortune selling 'Power Rangers' and has spent a fortune lobbying the United States to keep sending Israel arms and vetoing every UNSC resolution calling out its dangerous apartheid and land-theft policies.

About half of Israeli Jews are now in favor of expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/ethnic_cleansing_is_shockingly_popular_in_israel_almost_half_of_israeli_jews_want_to_kick_out_arabs_pew_study/

Remarkably parallel to the statements of Donald Trump, isn't it?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. He's holding campaign events instead. How is that "giving up"?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

More made-up bullshit. I'm so old, I remember when it was only republicans who invented new rules all the time, and then criticize Dems for violating these random rules.

My, how things change.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
9. Um, campaign events are generally planned around primaries, etc. Not random.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

Again: a right-wing technique of inventing new bullshit rules.

I'm proud of him for focusing on THIS country first.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. FYI.. Bernie is toast.. he is not going win the nomination.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

Speaking at AIPAC would be a great opportunity to speak his mind and be heard by millions. Big mistake.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
16. So you say. You're wrong, and your opinion is just that.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

And we know what they say about opinions

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
52. Well anyone who has looked and understands the math knows this is over.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

I suspect Bernie and his campaign knows this now. They are simply trying to hang on as long as possible hoping for a miracle.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
69. Actually, it's not Bob
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is continuing in this race. He's favored to win several states that vote, in just four days.

Millions of his supporters are paying for the gas to keep his campaigned fueled up.

We really don't care about the little declarations you make on a messageboard.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
71. No doubt Bernie will trudge on.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

But the reality is he cant win. Anyone who looks at this objectively knows it.

I have no problem with Bernie hanging on till the bitter end. We do need his message (most of it) and we do need his people (most of them). I hope he is given a spot to speak at the convention.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
61. Actually, speaking against AIPAC would be the bigger opportunity
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

Most likely he's not going to do that.

Reining in Israel is an issue on which he's lukewarm at best.

choie

(4,111 posts)
104. Oh so pandering to AIPAC, which is a lobbying group, is more
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

important than talking to citizens who vote? and that makes him unfit to be president? What kind of cockamamie reasoning is that? It is not at all like being asked to talk with a head of state or the UN. You guys will say ANYTHING to demean Bernie.

choie

(4,111 posts)
114. I say it's pandering...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

what the hell else is it? or are other views on the Middle East contrary to AIPAC's allowed to be spoken there?

choie

(4,111 posts)
116. Come on - -
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

he wouldn't be yanked off the stage, but the response would be highly negative, and you know it. Unlike Clinton, Bernie is not willing to be duplicitous in order to get votes.

choie

(4,111 posts)
122. I'm sure you would love that...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:27 PM
Mar 2016

then you could post a lot of articles that say "Bernie Sanders booed at AIPAC Conference" I'm sure you're very disappointed that you won't have that opportunity.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
124. Wow - what a brainwash. What can we ever hope to achieve
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

when a foreign organization - it really is - dedicated to buying American politicians and threatening the ones that don't play ball, throws a party every year and it's considered an important political event?

They do this all so that a country of around 8 million can dominate the foreign policy of a country with over 300 million, a country with more military power than any before in human history.

Do you know anything about AIPAC? Study its history of espionage and bribery a bit. And think.

Bernie Sanders is demonstrating his crystal-clear allegiance to the United States of America by avoiding AIPAC, and it's sad that the first serious Jewish contender for the office of the Presidency actually is criticized by Democrats for doing so.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. Yes, and same for Hillary.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

AIPAC is a major event and our message should be heard.. .not just the GOP's.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
55. Is the event going to be about which party presses their face
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

the farthest up AIPAC's backside?

I can see why Bernie chose not to attend.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
5. Bernie is sooo bad. He offereed because of conflict of schedule to do it by
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

video like Romney and others..I'm sick of the unfair and biased treatment Bernie is getting including the title of this OP.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. It was courageous of Bernie to avoid AIPAC.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

It's a right-wing extremist group that exists solely to unquestioningly defend Netanyahu and the Occupation and the illegal settlements-none of which are good for Israel or the rest of the world.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. He should have gone into the "lion's den" and spoke his mind.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

Great chance to get his message out regarding this critical issue.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
29. Seems like someone took offense...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:08 PM
Mar 2016
On Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

It was courageous of Bernie to avoid AIPAC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1527307

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Disgusting anti-Israel comment.

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virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
45. he was willing to do a video, which they did not accept
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

they let Romney do it by remote video...which tells you all that you need to know about the organization

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
40. Ab-solutely right, Ken
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

AIPAC is hard RW and Bernie has made it clear he supports a two-state solution. There is no dealing with AIPAC on this issue.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
97. Damn straight.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

It's an absurdity of American politics that an actual foreign agent of a country with a population of around 8 million people exercises extraordinary influence over our foreign/military policies. And for some reason American politicians are supposed to show up for its annual policy ('let's dole out the goodies') convention... Why?

Of course, the interesting thing is that Bernie Sanders, an American secular Jew, would probably be the most aggressive 'Make peace and stop stealing land or I'll stop vetoing U.N. resolutions telling you to...' president in American history.

 

RepubliCON-Watch

(559 posts)
7. Giving up???
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

Anyone partaking in this AIPAC event has either no intentions on showing integrity in FP or they are just there for the heck of it. Bernie gets my respect for this, he's standing up for Palestinians and minorities who are affected by the war lobby and war agenda.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Is Likud now synonymous with Israel?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

AIPAC represents and advocates for the hard right of Israeli policy. Not everyone - here or in Israel - agrees with their approach.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. Bernie has about a zero chance of winning this thing.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

Speaking at AiPAC would be a great opportunity to speak his mind and be heard by millions. Big mistake skipping it.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
17. Bernie has to win the caucuses in Idaho and Utah and Wash. He's been pointing to them for weeks.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

Losing any of the upcoming caucuses would really be bad news for Sanders and he knows it.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. He can win them but it wont matter.. its over.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

Speaking at AIPAC is a big opportunity to speak his mind on the Israeli/Palestinian issue. Big mistake.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
41. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

first smart thing i have seen you post - "its over"

baby steps

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
19. As usual, the slight distortions of the truth make it look
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

far different than it actually is.

Sanders requested the option to be able to address the conference via live video. AIPAC declined. Yet, they allowed both Gingrich and Romney, who were also campaigning, to do so in 2012. Why not this time?

He has campaign committments, and he should have been allowed like other candidates were in the past to do so via live video.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
23. Why?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

If as you argue, this is simply for 'exposure' a live video feed works just as well. It seem to work just fine for Romney and Gingrich.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
35. Hardly obvious.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016

In this day and age, a live feed makes little difference. It would still be broadcast to the media and the conference would be as it was in 2012.

You are trying to create and issue where the only issue is why did they deny his request. I can speculate that it will involve a connection to a Clinton is involved.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
68. Why waste time with this guy.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

He doesn't give a shit if Bernie went or not.
He's just pissing.

Ignore him...

Response to DCBob (Reply #81)

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
37. I don't care about their alerts.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

I don't walk on eggshells around bullies nor do I censor myself beyond normal communication etiquette.

But I do agree, it is often hopeless.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
26. I happen to disagree
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:07 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie position in the primary IMHO has no bearing on him speaking to this lobby.

Thanks for the link!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
43. Why not?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

This event is very high profile event and will be covered by tons of media. Great opportunity to get his message out.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
33. Its not about votes.. its about getting his message out.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is not going to win the nomination.. but he can still have a big impact on issues important to Democrats.. like the Israeli/Palestinian issue.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
128. It's a BS RW talking point of epic proportions
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:42 PM
Mar 2016

that the world turns on what happens at AIPAC: The American-Israel Palestinian Apartheid Committee.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
44. Salon is trying to make this into some kind of "principled stand," despite the letter Sanders sent.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

Here's the text.

March 18, 2016

President Robert Cohen
American Israel Public Affairs Committee
251 H Street NWWashington, D.C.20001

Dear Bob,

I enjoyed the opportunity to chat with you this morning.

As I mentioned, I would very much have enjoyed speaking at the AIPAC conference. Obviously, issues impacting Israel and the Middle East are of the utmost importance to me, to our country and to the world.

Unfortunately, I am going to be traveling throughout the West and the campaign schedule that we have prevents me from attending.

Since AIPAC has chosen not to permit candidates to address the conference remotely, the best that I can do is to send you a copy of the remarks that I would have given if I was able to attend. We should be able to get that speech to you on Monday. Any help that you could give us in getting those remarks out to your members would be much appreciated.

Thanks very much. Hope the conference goes well.

Sincerely,

Bernie Sanders


And here's the drivel Salon wrote up about it.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/18/bernies_bold_move_sanders_only_candidate_to_skip_aipac_pro_israel_conference_next_week/

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
50. Very dumb of him.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

A huge opportunity to have the bully pulpit to speak his mind on a critical issue. What a waste.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
74. Tad Devine strikes again.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

The AIPAC conference was schefuled long before Bernie's campaign events. His handlers should have put AIPAC on his calendar and timed rallies and such around it.

Hillary and Bernie agree on the two-state solution. This would have been a chance for them to back each other up and show a united front to Likud. Too bad that's not going to happen.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
86. LOL
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, I'm sure you have Bernie's best interests at heart and really wanted Bernie to use the bully pulpit.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
99. Well, when I get the same question over and over... I give the same answer.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

Its still correct.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
143. You seem to be under the impression
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

that repetition creates truth.

There's a name for that.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
75. Not really.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

I wish Bernie would begin to pivot to attack the GOP and Trump. He could be a great asset to Hillary and the Democratic cause.

Response to DCBob (Reply #75)

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
80. Quick, get Hillary to send more arms to Saudi Arabia!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

And, Israel, and Egypt, and Kuwait, and perhaps some troops.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
82. Bernie is not giving up. All he did was say no to AIPAC.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

Sorry, can't make it.

So how is that giving up? Not at all!

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
119. Could you be more specific? Perhaps you could use copy and paste?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

or is right click copy and right click paste too exhausting?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
93. Yes.. unfortunately
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

I wish he would look at the big picture and realize he can still play a big role in this election even if he loses the nomination.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
98. Well, it was never his strong suit, and he's had a rotten week
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

Also his chances of blowing it are good and he's not scoring points with his base so he's probably better off hitting the hustings.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
110. I know. I myself would not
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

Are there any repukes going? I hope Hillary lets them know she is for a 2 state resolution

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
112. Well then yes. I am glad she is going
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

I just do not want her to appease them. Are any repukes going?

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
147. Our maybe saying no to AIPAC might be a good thing.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:09 AM
Mar 2016

Ever consider that take?I.

I look to Paul Findley.

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