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Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:45 PM

Hillary: Don't call me a "Liberal"

https://www.youtube.com/v/g1_gR278FCg&start=53&autoplay=1

Chris Matthews: You became a real liberal.

Hillary Clinton: (pause) I like to say "progressive." (smiles)

Matthews: Well, that's the new word ... Well, why do people change the word if they like the word? What was wrong with liberal?

Clinton: Nothing is wrong with it. You know--

Matthews: "Progressive" covers such a broader front. It goes all the way over to Democratic socialism all the way over to moderate, I mean, progressive...

Clinton: No, it doesn't go as far as socialism. I'm sorry, it does not cover that.

Matthews: For you it doesn't.

Clinton: No.

http://info.msnbc.com/_news/2016/03/15/35266445-

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Reply Hillary: Don't call me a "Liberal" (Original post)
TheDormouse Mar 2016 OP
merrily Mar 2016 #1
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #3
merrily Mar 2016 #5
kristopher Mar 2016 #31
Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #12
Autumn Mar 2016 #2
merrily Mar 2016 #7
Autumn Mar 2016 #8
merrily Mar 2016 #9
Autumn Mar 2016 #16
cantbeserious Mar 2016 #4
Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #6
merrily Mar 2016 #18
Downwinder Mar 2016 #10
merrily Mar 2016 #17
libtodeath Mar 2016 #11
merrily Mar 2016 #20
Hydra Mar 2016 #44
Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #13
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #14
merrily Mar 2016 #21
Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #15
hedda_foil Mar 2016 #33
Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #19
qdouble Mar 2016 #22
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #23
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #24
Armstead Mar 2016 #28
Go Vols Mar 2016 #25
-none Mar 2016 #26
Octafish Mar 2016 #34
Armstead Mar 2016 #27
John Poet Mar 2016 #29
vi5 Mar 2016 #30
hedda_foil Mar 2016 #32
Go Vols Mar 2016 #37
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #42
Go Vols Mar 2016 #46
TheDormouse Mar 2016 #47
Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #38
hedda_foil Mar 2016 #39
Nedsdag Mar 2016 #35
Name removed Mar 2016 #36
EndElectoral Mar 2016 #40
closeupready Mar 2016 #48
PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #41
hobbit709 Mar 2016 #43
Hekate Mar 2016 #45
ibegurpard Mar 2016 #49
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #50
berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #51
TheDormouse Apr 2016 #53
berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #54
oldandhappy Apr 2016 #52

Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:46 PM

1. She has never referred to herself as a liberal and I have never referred to her as one.

Why on earth would I?

BTW, Al From wrote in his book that he got tired of the DLC, which Bill and Hillary helped found, being called the conservative DLC. So, he deliberately named the Progressive Policy Institute "Progressive," figuring no one would labeling it the conservative Progressive Policy Institute. IOW, he deliberately misused "progressive" so it no longer had meaning.

The lesson we can all learn from From and the rest of the DLC types: labeling yourself or your institution "progressive" does mean you are progressive, nor does it make you progressive. All it means is that you misused the word, and probably intentionally and for a self serving reason.

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:48 PM

3. "She has never ..." -- well, why not? If 'there's nothing wrong' with the word? Why not? nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:52 PM

5. You would have to ask her. I try hard not to pretend I can read minds.

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:23 PM

31. 3rd way wants to kill the liberal brand. nt

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:59 PM

12. When you can't meet the criteria, change the definition.

a republicon trick that we all loathe. Now, a Republicrat trick as well.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:47 PM

2. I wouldn't dream of it.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:53 PM

7. You want I should kick your progressive ass, Autumn?

To, like, you know, get it in gear?

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Response to merrily (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:54 PM

8. Pretty please? I think I need it.

Cause dog knows nothing else will do it.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 PM

9. Nah. I'm all talk. I just wanted to strike terror into your heart.

Followed immediately by a peck on the check, LOL. I don't even know how to be scary.

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Response to merrily (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:07 PM

16. You did have me terrified

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:49 PM

4. Bernie Is The Only Antidote To Rampant DNC DWS DLC HRC Third-Way Corporatist Corruption

eom

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:52 PM

6. Where did she say "Dont call me a liberal"

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:11 PM

18. It's implied. She corrected Matthews when he called her a liberal--and she was RIGHT so to do.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 PM

10. How about a Blue Dog?

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:10 PM

17. The red arrow sets the direction.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:56 PM

11. I am a proud socialist.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:14 PM

20. Democratic Socialist countries are among the happiest in the world. Th eUS is not.

I'm a proud Democratic, like dishonest, unethical conflict of interest Matthews knows perfectly well Bernie is.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:00 PM

44. Me too!

And it's become less of a dirty word these days

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:00 PM

13. I like to say "progressive." In the same sense that Nixon liked to say "peace loving".

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:01 PM

14. rofl

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:15 PM

21. Well, he was a Quaker. Maybe a QINO?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:03 PM

15. Hey, I recognize an identity crisis when I see one.

I use to call myself a social pragmatist, which meant that I tolerated behavior from others as long as they didn't interfere with the public safety, welfare and health. Then Hillary started calling herself a pragmatist and I was in search of another term.

Then I began to identify myself as a Liberal, until neo-Liberals began to use the term. Here, it was easier. I just make sure people know them for the neo-liberals they are. Which as far as I am concerned, is not a Liberal at all.

And now, she claims to be a progressive which, as Matthews points out, is a broader term. What does Hillary do? She tries to triangulate the definition so she can have her cake and eat it too.

I'm just saying, it would make it easier for us if she just embraces her neo-liberalist identity instead of trying to move the Webster goal posts.

And, what is a neo-liberal? A Democrat who doesn't believe in regulation of the financial markets and sides with neo-cons seamlessly; Or, one who uses Liberal lingo AND deregulation to accomplish what Republicans can't do by force.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:01 PM

33. Exactly. And please see post 32 further down in this thread.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:13 PM

19. I've never called her a liberal

....because she isn't.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:16 PM

22. The title is super misleading....

She prefers to be called a progressive instead of a liberal because of the negative connotations behind the word liberal. Trying to twist that to mean something other than what she obviously means is completely disingenuous.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:27 PM

23. How would you write the title?

Or would you not have even started a thread on the subject?

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:28 PM

24. and while we're at it, when did Hillary say that she wants to avoid the so-called negative

connotations of the word liberal?

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:54 PM

28. Negative connotations the Democrats colluded with GOP to denigrate the values behind it

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:32 PM

25. :/

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:49 PM

26. This post needs a thread of its own.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:37 PM

34. "I will pick up that word and wear it as a badge of honor.''

"Liberal."

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:53 PM

27. That makes me sick -- The DLC/Corporate Democrats are CONSERVATIVES, including the Clintons

 

yeah "progressive" on a few social issues that don't threaten corporate power....and as long as they are poll tested.

Otherwise, they might as well be Republicans.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:58 PM

29. Liberal or Progressive? She's NEITHER.

 

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:20 PM

30. Oh, don't worry Hillary. We won't.

 

We have eyes and ears, so why would we?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:57 PM

32. Progressive doesn't mean liberal in its current usage. It's a DLC reinvention of the word.

The DLC and PPI took the sullied idea of liberalism and reinvented the term progressive to replace it in common usage. As they have used it, progressive = centrist = corporatist, but with lip service paid to key left leaning identity groups to occasionally give lip service to their causes ... like choice, gay rights, equal opportunity, social security, etc. That's why we've felt that they only support social issues while letting this country rot from within with our failing antique infrastructure and low income economy.

Of course, we actual liberals in the economic as well as social sense, weren't ever supposed to notice that the Democratic party's power players never meant liberal as we have understood it. At best (for them) by changing the vocabulary, they would make it almost impossible for most of us to adequately express a coherent organizing principle, much less to actually remake society along the principles of fairness and justice. At the same time, the cherished meaning of "liberal" could continue on its path to degradation and extermination... just like its evil twin, the dreaded socialism.

It worked for going on 3 decades, and hasn't yet been defeated.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:17 PM

37. Agree

I have always referred to myself as a Liberal D.The current Progressive D Prez claims he would be to the Right of Raygun if it were the '80s.

Anything to the Right of Raygun is nothing that interests me.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:20 PM

42. Really? I kno he said Nixon was more liberal than him. But REAGAN?

You sure about that?

(Nixon more liberal than him *on some issues*).

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #42)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 09:06 AM

46. I stand corrected,

Obama said he would be a moderate Republican if this were the '80s.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #46)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:01 PM

47. smh - I wonder does he really view himself that way, or was he just posturing or making a point?

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:32 PM

38. Nice post.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:00 PM

39. Thank you, BB.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 04:39 PM

35. Me: Don't call me a "Hillary voter."

Is this woman tone deaf or what?

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:02 PM

40. She's called herself a progressive, a liberal, a moderate. All depends on who the crowd is that day.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #40)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:17 PM

48. Exactly. She could be expounding on the best popcorn variety, for

 

as much importance as anyone should be attaching to her empty words here.

She is not a liberal, no matter what she says or you say, or anyone says. She never will be: there's no money in it, and liberals don't get to boss others around.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:03 PM

41. "Progressively give more

 

to my rich donors. Proles are too poor to matter."

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:23 PM

43. Partial truth, she's not a progressive either.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:11 PM

45. Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich made "liberal" a dirty word in the '90s; I watched it happen.

I was at DU when "progressive" came into use as a substitute. I was here. I watched it happen.

So sue me, and sue Hillary too.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:25 PM

49. Don't worry. I won't

Because you're not. You're a neo-conservative.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:54 PM

50. Interesting thing, Bernie has said he is a progressive not a liberal--but he meant it

in a very different way.

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:06 PM

51. Hillary a Progressive...hillarious! check this chart out...



She is no Progressive..never has been.. She's a Goldwater girl at heart...

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Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:12 PM

53. She pleads guilty to being moderate, centrist nt

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Response to TheDormouse (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:14 PM

54. Yes and then tells Mathews she's a Progressive.. can't trust her.. and I don't want Bill in the WH

again.. can you imagine

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Response to TheDormouse (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:11 PM

52. She is not liberal and she is not progressive.

She is a right-leaning centrist.

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