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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:32 AM

 

Hillary Clinton goes full Neocon at AIPAC, Demonizes Iran, Palestinians

http://www.juancole.com/2016/03/hillary-clinton-goes-full-neocon-at-aipac-demonizes-iran-palestinians.html

but Bernie's the bad guy for not rubbing elbows with the warmongers.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:34 AM

1. Sanders fans are so predictable in the postings--and boring.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:37 AM

2. thanks for highlighting your inability to address much less rebut any of it

 

but then, that's pretty standard for the HC supporter -- post a non-topical dodge and pretend you prevailed on the merits

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:54 AM

18. How about what's NOT to trash

 

about a regime that finances terrorists and a people that elects terrorists, that pour poison into their children's ears and commit terrorism on a daily basis and have shown zero evidence they're in the least bit interested in peace? bibi is an asshole but to pretend both Iran and the Palestinians are cherubs is nonsense.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:02 PM

33. spare me your nonsense

 

nobody's pretending that either of them are boy scouts, and that's just projection, given that her whole argument -- as is the case with all of you neocons/supporters, is that the Israelis are saints, as indicated by the lack of any discouraging words for them.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:12 PM

45. Spare me YOUR bullshit

 

You didn't give one ounce of criticism to the financiers of terrorism or the terrorist hamas until you were called on it. I called bibi an asshole immediately and for the hundreth time. One day you'll realize all those candidates saw that gallup poll last week - the one where the VAST majority of Americans sympathize with Israel - the candidates were speaking for the majority of Americans. Too bad for you.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:07 PM

83. Too bad for all of us. eom

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #83)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:32 PM

91. Perhaps

 

when you're on the side of the issue that has such insignificant support - and this crosses party, age, gender and religious affiliation - maybe the problem is you.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #91)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:09 PM

118. Call in an airstrike.

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #118)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:32 PM

122. Yawn

 

It's not my fault the vast majority of Americans don't agree with you but you surely aren't important enough to start a war over it.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #122)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:22 PM

144. I am less important than a Palestinian child.

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #144)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:14 AM

159. I don't think you're

 

less important than any other person on the planet but you're free to feel the way you do.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #122)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:50 PM

150. The vast majority of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #150)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:13 AM

158. I don't think you're right about that

 

but don't care enough to do the research. Just going to point out that one is measuring feelings about one foreign policy doctrine and the other is measuring sympathies for a country that's been around for a while. I don't think they're comparable but whatever.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #150)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:38 PM

207. Before or after people from the two largest political parties lied to Americans about Iraq?

Saddam was involved in 911, the first attack on US soil, and had WMD that he might use to attack the US. And, btw, Saddam and his sons are also the lowest form of human alive. That's the story Americans heard from media, from Repubicans and from some Democrats.

Now, let's poll Americans if they think the US should attack Iraq before Iraq attacks us.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #122)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:14 PM

154. "Oh Pleeeze"

 

I forgot the big "Yawn".
Great debating technique you got there.
Are you all blogging from the same room?

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Response to anothergreenbus (Reply #154)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:17 AM

160. You'd like to think that,

 

wouldn't you? Sorry, those who sympathize with the Palestinians over Israel represent a teeny minority of Americans - that's the reality that gallup shows every single year (they do that poll every February). I was accused to wanted to call in an air strike because I disagree with the poster and you don't like that that I couldn't care less about that hyperbolic bullshit. That's not my problem.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #160)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:20 AM

164. Thank you Pam

 

Geller.

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Response to anothergreenbus (Reply #164)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:46 AM

165. Yawn

 

Have yourself a lovely day.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #91)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:00 PM

209. Many heinous issues do that in their heyday. Then the species seems to come to its senses, largely

because its better angels protested and would not sit down and shut up because theirs was the minority view at the time.

Not speaking to any specific issue here. Just pointing out that an argument that relies on numbers of people who agree or disagree about an issue is inherently weak.

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Response to merrily (Reply #209)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:26 AM

220. In this case

 

the "better angels" as you call them continually vote in thoroughly corrupt and terrorists as leaders who do nothing but steal from their people, line their own pockets and instead of building schools and hospitals, build tunnels to kill Israelis. It's only a surprise to those who ignore reality that they have so little support.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:27 PM

169. meaningless and dishonest garbage

 

or typical HC-supporter stuff

This post wasn't/isn't about them, and your effort from start too finish just the customary dishonestly dodging nonsense designed to change the subject from your precious warmongering Hillary and the case made against her.



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Response to stupidicus (Reply #169)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:20 AM

186. LOL

 

Look at all those words saying absolutely nothing at all....well done. There isn't one lie in my posts and you know it.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #186)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:34 PM

188. my my, the always impotent "LOL" defense

 

meanwhile, the critique and all of its content directed at HC stands WHOLLY INTACT AND UNREBUTTED

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #188)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:37 PM

189. Impotent?

 

Hardly - it's hard not to laugh at stupidity and it's obvious you only believe what you want to believe - that would be entirely your problem. I couldn't possibly care less. Toodles.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #189)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:41 PM

191. thanks for conceding that your impotent efforts

 

have left the material in the TP unaddressed and unrebutted

that's "knowledge" not a belief

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #191)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:44 PM

192. You know that impotent thing

 

you're trying only makes a woman like myself laugh out loud. Try it on some insecure man. I don't take the time to rebut garbage - it does that all by itself.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #192)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:49 PM

193. further/continuing tacit concessions as to your apparent impotence leaving the TP material

 

HC critique wholly UNADDRESSED AND UNREBUTTED while totally welcomed, were neither warranted nor solicited.

please proceed, no? Trying to associate the use of "impotent" in this instance with sex like that's the ONLY application it can have is just another example of how impotent you must apparently be, no?

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #193)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:52 PM

194. Again with the impotence

 

Are you having a problem you need help with and would like to discuss? There are support groups all over the internet.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #194)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:55 PM

196. further/continuing tacit concessions as to your apparent impotence leaving the TP material

 

HC critique wholly UNADDRESSED AND UNREBUTTED while totally welcomed, were neither warranted nor solicited.

please proceed, no? Trying to associate the use of "impotent" in this instance with sex like that's the ONLY application it can have is just another example of how impotent you must apparently be, no?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:00 AM

161. It's their country. It would be immoral to do what Netanyahu wants and bomb Iran.

 

Such bombing couldn't be carried out without heavy loss of civilian life.

Nobody is pretending that the Iranian government is made up of saints, or that the Palestinian leadership is.

What we're saying is that nothing can be made better in either place through the use of American or Israeli force.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #161)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:19 AM

219. I agree it would be immoral

 

to bomb Iran if there was loss of civilian life - I had zero problem with Israel taking out that Iraqi nuclear site. American troops have never fought in any Israeli war so I'm not sure what you're worried about there.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #219)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:25 AM

221. There's no possible way to JUST hit the one thing. Nobody can do surgical strikes anymore.

 

Besides which, we just got this agreement, so it's not as though nothing has changed.

And If Netanyahu reall wants to bomb Iran anyway, why doesn't he just go ahead and do it? Why is he so arrogantly insistant that rest of the world support him on doing this?

It wouldn't make any difference in the results of the bombing if he had global back-up versus if he didn't.

And he really has no right to ever ask for US support for an Israeli strike against Iran OR to demand that the US actually bomb Iran ourselves. We don't owe him that.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #221)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:23 AM

222. I don't see bibi demanding anything

 

but whatever. I'm not as keen on Iran as you seem to be - perhaps those missiles with the messages in Hebrew disgust me more than they do you.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #222)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:37 AM

223. I don't like the Iranian government.

 

But we already know that there is nothing this country or anyone else outside Iran can do to change Iran for the better.

The mullahs are in power now largely because of the damage we did in 1953, the last time we brought regime change to that country.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #223)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:41 AM

224. Funny how Iran gets a pass

 

from you despite their leaders and Israel doesn't.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #224)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:58 AM

225. I don't give it a pass. I support the democracy movement there.

 

It's just that, when we restored the Shah, we as Americans forever lost any right to lecture Iran as a country on anything or to claim moral superiority to Iran on anything. I assume you'll agree that we should never have overthrown Mossadegh in 1953.

Iran has a bad government, but nothing good can ever come of the US confronting that government. We've been implacably hostile to it since 1979, and if that hostility has achieved nothing there so far, that proves it never can achieve anything.

We already know that no US intervention there can ever have any progressive, democratic or humane results.

I do oppose Iran being repressive. It's a good sign that moderates won the last election. We need to leave this to the Iranian people. Change there can only be legitimate it it involves no one but the Iranians themselves. Bombing Iran(it would never just be an attack on one site) would hurt the democracy movement.

And I respectfully criticize the Israeli government when it oppresses the Palestinians. I don't oppose the existence of Israel. Nothing I have ever posted against there was essential to Israel's survival as a country OR the safety of the Israeli people.

The occupation and the settlements do nothing but harm to Israel and Israelis, and do nothing but make it harder to end the conflict.

If you care about Israel, you should be passionately anti-Netanyahu, anti-settler, and anti-right wing.


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Response to leftynyc (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:36 PM

205. Are you saying Hillary is not a neocon? Did stupidicus's post say Iran and Palestinians are cherubs?

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:09 PM

153. Usually prefaced with an

 

Oh Pleeeze.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:37 PM

206. you claim she "Demonizes Iran, Palestinians" and cite an entire article. You should at least be


able to cite her statements which you claim are "Demonizations of Iran and Palestinians"...

How do we know you even read the article you provided a link to.

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Response to Bill USA (Reply #206)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:54 PM

215. indeed, relying on the reading comp skills of HC supporters

 

is probably an unreasonable expectation

anyone with a minimum of intellectual heft and an ounce of integrity would no doubt conclude that the author of that headline was referring to all of the anti-Iran and Palestinian stuff she noted in her speech.

and that is a difficult conclusion to arrive at why exactly?

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #215)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:00 PM

216. so, you can't point out what constitutes evidence she has "demonized Iran & Palesstinians"



YOu made the charge, you should be able to be specific and not just refer to an entire article.

Now, how can you blame anybody for thinking you're a bullshitter?



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Response to Bill USA (Reply #216)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:10 PM

217. in other words, you lack those qualities?

 

and I didn't "refer" to an entire article in response to the specifics of the demonization thing, but rather explained that the details of the "demonization" referred to is to be found in her speech.

Now, if I were to spend an "X" amount of time and text here criticising and condemning HC, would it be necessary for you to cite the specifics to allege, and justifiably so, that I "demonized" her?

Not at all. The "demonization" is to be found in her speech, which I ain't gonna look up for you, and no matter how much you struggle with the "google" as you do it seems with plain and simple English


on edit, and as I thought, it was linked to in the body of his post

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:39 AM

6. It's always boring if it's not trashing Sanders. Right?

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:41 AM

7. My ex-husband is Palestinian. My son if half.

That Clinton doesn't conceive of either of them as human beings is worrisome to me since they're both citizens - my son is a native.

Why the hell would I ever vote for someone who wants to bomb people who look like my son? People who are part of my son's family? Just for, well, living there (my family aren't terrorists - just people trying to earn a living in what they consider their native country).

Answer me that one?

Hope that was less "boring" for you.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:05 PM

37. I'm sure your post has too much honest emotion and real logic to ever be discussed by her side.

 

Thank you for your post.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:14 PM

46. +1000000000 nt

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:15 PM

48. Good post, Fawke Em. Why, exactly. nt.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:57 PM

151. Well said. k/r

 

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:54 PM

156. Giving you a standing O... once again, Hillary shows her disgusting side.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 AM

29. Sorry to be so boring and looking into candidates positions on issues

We support Bernie because of these boring ideas of peace in the Middle East and decreasing wealth inequality, making our public servants work for us, not their big donors, fighting against climate change and the fossil fuel industry, and trying to get universal health care and affordable prescriptions. Etc
Oops there I go boring you again.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:37 PM

70. Pure projection

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:33 PM

204. And your posts are a big, delightful surprise? LOL. o.k. nt

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:38 AM

3. I know. My Arab and Muslim family and friends have ranted about her

for nearly 18 hours now.

That's one group of voters she won't be getting.

Not a big group in the states, mind you, but it can certainly effect Michigan and North Carolina.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:46 AM

14. they certainly have no shortage of material

 

it's been backing up for a very ong time now

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:48 PM

77. That is okay: Hillary doesn't want your vote

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #77)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:05 PM

80. For a second I thought this was sarcastic

 

Then I checked out the transparency page that is list up like Christmas morning and realized it was just someone unhinged.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #80)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:07 PM

82. Hillary is one of the good ones: Nobody should be ranting for 20 years

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #82)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:09 PM

85. Honestly, your one-liners and continually hidden posts aren't swaying anyone to her side.

 

And now that we know she doesn't want our votes, per you, maybe we can cut it with the "unity" bullshit trying to be pushed by the Hillary supporters.

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #85)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:15 PM

87. Your vulgarism kinda of tells me who you are: Hillary is bring people to the Truth

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #87)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:39 PM

139. See TRUTH Below...

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #85)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:18 PM

130. Dude, don't take that bait. We have ignore buttons

 

This poster seems like a special case, so use that button

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Response to Matt_in_STL (Reply #85)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:02 PM

152. Repeat after me:

"lewebley3, welcome to my naughty list."

then click ignore.

booyah

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:39 AM

4. Recommended.

Hillary is, by definition, a neoconservative. Her speech was, in my opinion, the most honest that she's given during this campaign.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:42 AM

8. Is that a good thing?

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:45 AM

12. good point

 

and even though she willfully if not gleefully played the role of the best witness for her own prosecution of that charge, it is no doubt a "rightwing smear" to submit the indictment...lol

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:57 AM

25. I just made a similar point below

Seriously. At least she is being honest.

If she's a neocon, which she clearly is--just embrace it and defend it.

Come out in the open and talk about it. Be honest about what this means going forward, and what your neocon agenda would look like if you were President.


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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:21 PM

52. Robert Kagan and Henry Kissinger openly endorse her.

I think the two of them have better access to her true foreign policy views than most of us here.

She is one of them (even if she doesn't say "I AM A NEO-CONSERVATIVE".

Hillary supporters that deny this need to reconsider. There is A LOT at stake here.



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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 PM

65. Hillary hand picked Kagan as one of her foreign-policy advisers

while she was Secretary of State.

She could have picked anyone. And she chose the founder of the neocon movement. The godfather of war.

Isn't it interesting that Obama knew nothing about her private email server? He found out when the rest of us found out.

She was walled off, even from the President--consorting with neocon Blumenthal (a person that Obama instructed her to not consult with) and probably Kagan too. What do you want to bet that the entire Libyan debacle was planned on her little private server?

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #65)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:27 PM

133. It's a terrifying notion, but it's accepting that her Iraq war

Vote was quite intended. So all those American and Iraqi deaths are wholly on her hands, she went in wanting war - not following. As everything has come out during her time as SoS, and now AIPAC, that is what I've come to believe. She's doing what she believed from the start, and won't stop. Unless she's stopped.

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Response to Kittycat (Reply #133)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:28 AM

163. Remember, it wasn't just her vote

She actually took the floor of the Senate to shill for that shit.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #163)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:01 AM

166. There is a video of that showing her using the same language as Bush

Almost verbatim. From that same video, a few years later, she's gushing about business opportunities for American corporations...im Iraq. Then came the "It was a mistake" non-apology.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:07 PM

125. Did it ever occur to you that they support her *because* she's a neocon?

I think with a lot of them that is the precise motivation.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #125)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:09 PM

126. Of course it occurred to me. That was basically the point behind my post.

They know who they are endorsing. They KNOW her foreign policy world view and what actions she would be most likely to take.

They know much, much better than most of her supporters know.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #126)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:12 PM

128. I was talking about her supporters, specifically those on DU

Not many of them can credibly claim ignorance although they all seem to try.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #128)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:17 PM

129. Oh. I'm sorry! I misread your post originally!



I did think your first post was directed at me.

I am exhausted from a very long day (my defense, and I'll stick to it).

That possibility that you offered on HRC's supporters I believe IS true for a small portion of her supporters overall (perhaps a larger portion of online and politically active and aware HRC supporters). Overall, I'd think most HRC supporters wouldn't support her if they truly believed she had a neoconservative approved foreign policy approach though.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #125)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:06 AM

167. It is increasingly clear

As much as some accuse Sanders supporters of being influenced by rw propaganda, it seems that might be the case with many Democratic voters. Of course, I am not talking about Rush and Fox, per se, I'm talking about the DLC/3rdway/New Democrats. It's very apparent.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:23 PM

131. Cheney seems okay with her.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 AM

28. Agreed that it was her most honest speech on the campaign trail. Sad day to be a Democrat.

 

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:52 PM

140. Thank you. I'm very troubled my her speech.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:39 AM

5. When it comes to pandering Hillary has decidedly the most "experience".

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:45 AM

13. True, but ...

I believe she was being fairly genuine and true to herself in this particular speech. Hillary's a war-monger. She really likes to come across as tough -- so much so that it clouds her thinking. She's, frankly, quite scary in that regard. She just doesn't get it -- empire is a fatally doomed policy.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:50 AM

16. ain't that the truth

 

eom

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:42 AM

9. I am no fan of AIPAC...

... but it's not like Iran finances terrorists or anything. Or Palestinians go around randomly stabbing civilians on the street and killing people. (Including an America tourist by the way)



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-violence-tourist-idUSKCN0WA2FR




And by the way Bernie was more than willing to address AIPAC via video but they didn't accommodate him. Stupid move on there part.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:52 AM

17. yes, neocons make basically the same argument/s

 

well done.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 AM

23. And what's your problem with the truth?

 

Iran DOES finance terrorists. Palestinians DO commit terrorist acts every single day and elect terrorist organizations to lead them.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:06 PM

39. you seem to only know half of it

 

or more likely, as a neocon supporter at the very least, ignore the half (where much/many more die and live in a state of perpetual misery) about the Israeli state terrorism.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:17 PM

49. Yawn

 

I've called bibi an asshole and warmonger on many occasions. Meanwhile, DU likes to pretend there is no such thing as Islamic terrorism and think that Israel deserves whatever it gets. Luckily, the VAST majority of Americans sympathize with Israel which is why all the candidates spoke (Bernie sent his statement to them) to the leading American organization that supports Israel. If the Palestinians had taken a state when they were offered it in 1947 instead of going to war, they wouldn't be living in misery. Actions have consequences.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:26 PM

59. supporting terrorism

Saudi Arabia is the largest financer of terrorism in the the world. Hillary sure is cozy with them. Have any problems with that?

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Response to BigMin28 (Reply #59)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:30 PM

63. Plenty of problems with that

 

This country should have become energy independent decades ago so we could let that shithole loose also. Any other questions?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #63)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:32 PM

106. Decades ago

 

You mean in the 90's? Bill Clinton was in charge, what did he do to help us reach that goal? And now we're going to put them in charge again. Insanity is the act of doing things over and over again, and expecting a different result, let's not put another Clinton in the WH. It will be the same result. Scandal and back door deals.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #106)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:54 PM

107. Yawwwwnnnnn

 

Actually I was thinking back to listening to President Carter. Tell me, Bernie has been in Congress for decades. Where are all the bills with his name on them calling for energy independence? You can pretend he's an outsider all you please but the fact remains he's been in Congress since 1991.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:10 PM

43. Being anti Hamas...

... does not make one a neocon.

I am a member a J-Street because I think a two sate solution is essential for Israels survival. I oppose West Bank settlements.

I opposed the Iraq war

I fully supported the nuclear agreement with Iran.

There is a line in The Newsroom where Will says something like "I am not a liberal I am a Republican I only seem liberal because I don't believe hurricanes are caused by gay marriage."

Well I am not a neoconservative I am a proud liberal. I only seem like a neocon because I refuse to declare solidarity with a group that has called for all Jews to be killed.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:39 PM

71. Well said

 

I'm sick and tired of being called a neocon because I wont wrap my arms around the terrorist hamas or country's the shoot missiles with messages like wiping Israel off the map on them.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #71)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:41 PM

72. As I mentioned to you earlier.

We New Yorkers just have more sense.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #72)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:47 PM

76. It does appear that way

 

at least we don't make excuses for terrorists.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #76)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:49 PM

78. To quote Will Smith in the movie iRobot

"I am allergic to bullshit"

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Response to iandhr (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:30 PM

170. no, but telling half the story/lying by omission like HC does

 

I couldn't care less about your affinity with the zionist war criminals

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #170)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:13 PM

179. And I couldn't care less about

... your support of a terrorist organization.


You are lying and telling half the story as well

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Response to iandhr (Reply #179)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:39 PM

180. no, I'm defending the material in the top post

 

which has apparently left you all impotent and stuff, and all of which remains largely unaddressed and intact

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #180)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:22 PM

182. Impotent? LAMO

You accused me of being a neocon. I had explained to you why opposing a terrorist organization does not make someone a neocon.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #182)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:37 PM

183. no, that's your guilty conscience talking

 

I said that they make basically the same arguments you did in your first response, and I'd add now, generally for the same reason -- to deflect in an effort to avoiding having to defend the war crimes on the part of Israel they largely agree with/support. In this case, there's the addition of being "impotent" when it comes to defending the charge of neoconism on the part of HC.

SHe's Nettheyahoo in a skirt, plain and simple, and nothing you've posted undermines that

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #183)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:44 PM

184. I have no guilt what so ever.

I think Bibi is a first class asshole. One of the reasons why I hate Hamas is because they make me sound like I am a fan of Bibi.

And they are not war crimes. Terrorists are shooting rockets at their civilians. In those situations you have every right to shoot back.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #184)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:32 PM

187. says you

 

If not for US obstructionism, they'd likely be charged with war crimes

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:44 AM

10. Clinton is more like George W Bush than she is like Obama, when it comes to foreign policy

 

That's why most of us voted for him over her in 2008. And it's not a coincidence that every single major breakthrough in Obama's foreign policy happened only after she and her crew of Neocons left the state department in 2013.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:55 AM

20. well

 

FP is where we see the most bipartisanship period, but some are certainly better than others.

I don't for example, see her having ironed out the Iran nuke thing as peacefully as BHO did.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 AM

21. oh, she would have bombed Iran if she had won in 2008.

 

I have little doubt about that.

But Obama has taken that option off the table for her unless Iran really screws up.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:52 PM

96. Action movie bluster and all


- "We came, we saw, he died"
- Proud to have "the Iranians" as an enemy. I never got a clear understanding of who she was talking about. Was it the entire country (women and children included)? * But she helped lay the groundwork for the peace agreement
- W. could only hope to articulate a fantasy about being under fire, but I think he is not skilled at lying off the cuff. Or, maybe he did and I don't remember.
- I can't tell if she's motivated by world domination megalomania or just wants to taste a war victory in the ME to be her legacy, or.....

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:22 PM

155. So true.

 

Except Clinton is really more like Cheney. She actually gets a kick out of her killings like a good neocon.
"We came. We saw. He died. tee hee hee." Rather creepy that.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:45 AM

11. Yes, those Palestinians are sho bad...

 

Bad for being ethnically cleansed.

Bad for having their land illegally colonized.

Bad for having their homes destroyed.

Bad for being harassed.

Bad fir being tortured.

Bad fir being murdered.


Yep. They sho are bad.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 AM

22. it's a tragedy that never should have occurred imo

 

and a hardship that the Pals shoulda been relieved of long ago

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:04 PM

35. any idea why one of the rich arab countries haven't offered to help the Palestinians

by offering them a home and money?

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:24 PM

56. Short answer, they want to keep the Palestinians in misery

 

because they believe it will someday force Israel into a two state compromise.

Jordan actually has stepped up the most but even they don't let the Palestinians live outside the refugee camps, offer limited work visas etc.

I'm keeping this grossly simplified or we're straying into an I/P discussion. Best to get a fully, more nuanced view in the I/P forum.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:28 PM

61. exactly. meanwhile the rest of the world is taking in refugees from syria

a conflict caused by militant muslims, who have killed far more than Israel ever did.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #61)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:22 PM

90. Another serving of logical fallasy? No thanks.

 

So Israel is less bad since it has killed fewer muslims?



Israel is far from clean. it presently has 500k ilkegal colonists on Palestinian territory.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #90)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:32 PM

92. why talk about israel then. Let's focus on the muslim countries and have them clean.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #92)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:04 PM

97. Did you read the OP?

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #97)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:18 PM

100. no answer to my question

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #100)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:14 PM

120. Try re-reading the OP and be maginally worthy of your moniker.

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #120)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:56 PM

123. insults only diminish the insulter.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #123)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:40 PM

135. What is that: excuse #17?

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:19 PM

89. The I/P forun is a hasbara cesspool.

 

It's as simple as this.

Q: Do you believe in human rights?

Q: Dou you believe that any soveriegn country (present day) has the legal right to colonize other people's land against their will?


That's it in a nutshell.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #89)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:33 PM

93. why don't we start with Saudi Arabia or Iran first?

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #93)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:07 PM

98. Why are you diverting away from this sub thread?

 

Israel is as guilty as any other oppressor country, the American politicians bend over backwards to support: turning a blind eye to the atrocities is is responsible for.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #98)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:18 PM

99. won't answer my question.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #99)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:13 PM

119. Try re-reading the OP.

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #119)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:57 PM

124. great no answer. I'm not surprised.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #124)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:41 PM

136. I love your fail. Hasbarists wear it so well.

 

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #136)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:47 PM

172. i think hasbarists is a coded racist word.

isn't that an attack against jews?

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #172)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:52 PM

176. Ah, yes, bring out the bigotry card...

 


There's lots of bigotry going on in the Apartheid state against the Palestinians.

Habarists try to explain that all away.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #176)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:55 PM

178. and yet a few things about radical muslims gets your goat.

you can't have it both ways.

your agenda is clear.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:15 PM

88. Well, Palestine is their home for starters.

 

And yet Israel is not happy with the country that they have so they are intent, with the help of US treasure, to continue taking what is not legally theirs: causing Palestinian suffering.

In addition, how many Europeans are helping Greece presently?

How many Europeans helped the Irish resettle when England ruled it all?

This is not about the Saudis, Iraqies or Persians. This is about Israel, and how it acts like an apartheid state while US politicians press their face up Israel's backside for votes.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:12 AM

162. Maybe they don't want to help Israel ethnically clean Palestine.

 

Maybe the Palestinians don't want to leave their family, friends, homes, country, language, etc, like just about everyone else in this world.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:49 AM

15. I applaud Hillary for being open and honest about embracing the neocon agenda

We all know that Hillary is a neocon. The founder of the neocon movement, Robert Kagan, endorsed Hillary a few weeks ago. He could have picked crazy Rubio or scary Cruz, but he endorsed Hillary.

I mean, when the principal architect behind the PNAC/neocon agenda wants you for President--I think the cat is pretty much out of the bag.

It makes sense. Hillary did pick Kagan to be one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was Secretary of State. These two share an "interventionist" mindset. They're both committed to the neocon plan that Kagan and the rest of the warmongers outlined in the plan "Rebuilding America's Defenses."

That plan lists Iraq, Syria, Libya and Iran as the targeted countries that they would like to destroy via war; and Hillary handed them Libya.

Seriously though. I think we can all see the silver lining in Hillary's AIPAC speech. At least she's not pulling the same bull that she did with her Wall Street talking points. She fully denies that the millions in Wall Street campaign contributions AND speaking fees--will affect her in ANY way! Remember when she invoked 9/11 to justify these campaign bribes?

Maybe this is a new honest approach for Hillary!

If so, we maybe she'll decide to release those Wall Street speeches.


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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 AM

26. Me too

 

her supporters are finding her neoconhood to be either too big a pill to swallow, or are becoming CONverts it appears.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:09 PM

42. I find it all very surreal

that we have a Democratic presidential candidate who is a full-blown neocon.

The Democrats were once fully united on being against Bush's lie-based war. And they're all lie-based wars.

It's just very bizarre to see this snake slither into our party and take up residence.

And if you notice, when people do discuss her war-centric policies and actions--her supporters rarely respond. As you said, they either don't understand Middle East politics or they agree with wars for profit--and are ashamed to publicly admit it.

This is why electing Bernie is so important. He doesn't subscribe to the neocon agenda.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:20 PM

168. again, me too

 

her supporters don't seem to be anchored to anything but their own egos, just like her

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:26 PM

57. Let's hear it for the neocon favorite... (while we wait for this...)

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:54 AM

19. Of course -- what else can one expect?

 



Such a frightfully lovely couple, yes?

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Response to Herman4747 (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:59 AM

30. lol

 

I'lll refrain from a real answer

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:56 AM

24. I'm so glad Bernie wasn't there. nt

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:02 PM

32. We are too since 80% of Jewish people vote Democrat

Hillary will need that vote in the GE

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:06 PM

38. Are you happy that she almost guarantees yet another war

 

to add to the many this country has waged. We are the most war hungry nation on the planet. Maybe it is because it has rarely been fought on our soil.

If it had, I think we would change our viewpoint on it.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:07 PM

40. At 1.7% of the entire US population and with even fewer than that supporting AIPAC

 

I'm thinking Bernie’s good.



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:14 PM

47. Bernie offered to address them via video.

That fact gets left out when people are giving him credit.


AIPAC declined that offer. Bad move on their part .

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:58 AM

27. Kickin'

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:00 PM

31. Not surprising Juan Cole has this to say

He never met a terrorist he didn't like.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:21 PM

53. bullshit

He just understands WHY they become terrorists in the first fuckin place. Do you?

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:34 PM

68. i don't care why they become terrorists.

and i don't think their terrorism is justified and i don't think it should be tolerated.
this even includes stabbings of Jews in Israel. they can just stop with the terrorism and then get a place a the table of civilized people. they don't get that seat if they are terrorists. they should just be eliminated if they are terrorists.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:55 PM

79. typical... 'its not our fault people hate us for overthrowing leaders and

bombing them'

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Response to 6chars (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:46 PM

115. Well said

 

and I agree with every single word.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:47 PM

147. wow, that's seriously insane

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:03 PM

34. sure - what's there to demonize about iran when they say Israel should be wiped off the face of the

planet.

I get posts hidden for so much less .

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:08 PM

41. that lie was debunked years and years ago

 

but remains a fav of the neocons

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:19 PM

50. really - i hard the PM of iran say it. was that fabrication

and is it hezzbelah that exists to destroy Israel or is it Hamas.

you can find this on youtube. A muslim lady spoke at a conference saying that muslims are not treated well. When asked by the sponsor who was Jewish, what should be done with jews, her response was to put them all in one place. See any need for concern here?

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:22 PM

54. you did not

Not unless you speak his language.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:26 PM

58. i guess all the translators lied.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #64)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 PM

67. here

2008[edit]

On Israel's 60th birthday, Ahmadinejad said:

“ Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken. Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."[14] ”

Ahmadinejad also stated that Israel has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese. Later, he said: The Zionist regime is dying, and The criminals imagine that by holding celebrations (...) they can save the Zionist regime from death. Ahmadinejad also stated that They should know that regional nations hate this fake and criminal regime and if the smallest and briefest chance is given to regional nations they will destroy (it).[15]

In his address to the 2008 United Nations General Assembly, Ahmadinejad said that today the Zionist regime is on a definite slope to collapse.[16]

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #64)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:35 PM

69. and here


Hamas Charter (1988)

Main article: Hamas Covenant
Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant provides the following quotation, attributed to Muhammad:


"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."[136]
Article 22 states that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists or forces supportive of Zionism:


"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."[294]
Article 32 of the Covenant refers to an antisemitic forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:


"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."[136]

Statements by Hamas members and clerics to an Arab audience

In 2008, Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing."[156][295]

Another Hamas legislator and imam, Sheik Yunus al-Astal, discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next." He concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews."[156][295]

Following the rededication of the Hurva Synagogue in Jerusalem in March 2010, senior Hamas figure al-Zahar called on Palestinians everywhere to observe five minutes of silence "for Israel's disappearance and to identify with Jerusalem and the al-Aqsa mosque". He further stated that "Wherever you have been you've been sent to your destruction. You've killed and murdered your prophets and you have always dealt in loan-sharking and destruction. You've made a deal with the devil and with destruction itself – just like your synagogue."[296][297]

On August 10, 2012, Ahmad Bahr, Deputy Speaker of the Hamas Parliament, stated in a sermon that aired on Al-Aqsa TV:


If the enemy sets foot on a single square inch of Islamic land, Jihad becomes an individual duty, incumbent on every Muslim, male or female. A woman may set out [on Jihad] without her husband's permission, and a servant without his master's permission. Why? In order to annihilate those Jews.... O Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. O Allah, destroy the Americans and their supporters. O Allah, count them one by one, and kill them all, without leaving a single one.[298][299][300][301]

In an interview with Al-Aqsa TV in September 12, 2012, Marwan Abu Ras, a Hamas MP, who is also a member of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, stated (as translated by MEMRI):


The Jews are behind each and every catastrophe on the face of the Earth. This is not open to debate. This is not a temporal thing, but goes back to days of yore. They concocted so many conspiracies and betrayed rulers and nations so many times that the people harbor hatred towards them.... Throughout history – from Nebuchadnezzar until modern times ... They slayed the prophets, and so on.... Any catastrophe on the face of this Earth – the Jews must be behind it.[302]

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #64)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:45 PM

75. LOL those links

 

are PATHETIC and do nothing but try and wiggle out of what was said. That they STILL are putting those messages on missiles shot just last week just makes you look foolish for trying to defend them.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #75)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:10 PM

86. one missile said that, the speech didnt

If i blamed whole countries for things written on missiles by soldiers then the US is guilty of the same.

We started it in wwll

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #86)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:34 PM

94. So you're comparing

 

Americans fighting the freeking nazis - genocidal animals - to today's Iran. LOL - I'm pretty sure that's not what you intended.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #94)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:52 PM

95. no. i am calling your comments bullshit

If Iran is responsible for what their soldiers write on bombs then the US has to take responsibility for what ours write. This is all fine and dandy when it's "easter eggs for hitler" or more recently "from paris with love" but those are mild enough for the press to publish.

Its the double fucking standard you people use that pisses me off so bad. You cant scream and holler about this stuff while taking no responsibility for what this country does.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #95)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:27 PM

102. didn't iran sentence rushdie to death for blashephy for writing a book?

no answer to my links either

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #102)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:14 PM

111. And they JUST

 

upped the reward for killing Rushdie. After all these years the animals still want his head on a pike for writing a book.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #111)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:39 PM

112. still no response to my posted facts - even if they were the response wouldn't be meaningful

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #112)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:42 PM

114. Of course not

 

Some posters are one trick ponies that will acknowledge nothing that doesn't fit their worldview. It just shows how shallow their arguments were in the first place.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #95)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:59 PM

108. No responsibility?

 

I vote in every fucking election and have been fighting for causes since you were in diapers (an assumption as your position seems to have zero history behind it so I'm assuming you're young). Scream about the double standard all you want - it doesn't change the fact that iran is currently run by religious fanatics, has been financing terrorism for decades and still wants to wipe Israel off the map. Try dealing with that.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #108)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:59 PM

117. exactly

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #94)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:28 PM

103. i'm not so sure. ignoring the facts takes work. trying to say iran isn't doing evil things

is disingenuous at best.

we got rid of the republicans because they were doing horrible things to the world, and are fighting to keep them out.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #75)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:26 PM

101. did you notice the lack of response to my links?

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #101)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:01 PM

109. Of course

 

Doesn't fit the DU narrative so it will be ignored. They're all still pissed the gallup poll shows their screeching about Israel hasn't moved the needle one iota.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #75)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:28 PM

134. Little Israeli children write messages on bombs too. But that's different. n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #134)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:51 PM

175. do you have any proof? how does a child get close to a bomb?

your agenda is clear.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #50)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:25 PM

132. Was it the "PM of Iran" or "A muslim lady"?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #132)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:49 PM

173. denying facts doesn't help the debate and in fact supports the terrorists.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:31 PM

171. and your also the queen of england too

 

so what?

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:19 PM

51. No it wasn't

 

I can't believe the bullshit that the iman was mistranslated still gets trotted out on DU (well, I probably should believe it). Are you also going to deny them writing the same message - in Farsi AND Hebrew - on the missiles that were tested last week? I mean it was only the state run Iranian media that told that story but I'm sure you'll find a way to disbelieve that as well.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:26 PM

60. there's that to. this revisionist garbage must have an agenda.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #60)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:28 PM

62. Their desperation

 

to blame anything they can on Israel and the West is the agenda. I'm sick to death of it.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:32 PM

66. the links proving you are wrong have been posted.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #66)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:41 PM

73. No - not wrong

 

Not wrong at all. But continue to wrap your arms around that pathetic regime, the mullahs sure do appreciate your support.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:05 PM

36. This thing about "supports Israel"

 

Unless you promise them all the money and weapons they want, no questions asked, they question your level of support, and turn to someone who is vocally and zealously in their corner. As president, of course, Clinton will put some muscle behind the rhetoric, but it probably won't go as far as bombing Iran. It's typical for presidents to go "full Zionist" in their speeches, then back away in their actions. I certainly hope this proves true in Clinton's case. If her actions match her words, we are in for a rough ride.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:11 PM

44. Oh I will feel so safe with Commander Clinton willing to bomb all our problems into insignificance..

 

including torpedoing American social services like Medicare and Social Security.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:23 PM

55. Wow.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 12:43 PM

74. we are so screwed if either she or Trump

get into office.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

104. complete lack of reality - i want to get as far away from bernie as possible.

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #104)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:31 PM

105. ....

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:05 PM

81. K&R Excellent post. Well worth a thoughtful read.

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 01:09 PM

84. K&R. She scares me.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #84)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:50 PM

174. the radical islamists and the republicans concern me.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:09 PM

110. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, stupidicus.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:41 PM

113. Hillary = Neoconwoman

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:47 PM

116. Iran has threatened and saber-rattled day in and day out for almost 40 years.

The PLO has been a hot mess for nearly as long.

I would like for us to stop being embroiled in Middle Eastern mess after Middle Eastern mess too, but Israel ain't the bad guys here.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:24 PM

121. She'll blow the whole ME to smithereens

 

If she's not an official signatory to the PNAC agenda she sure seems to be trying to fulfill all of its objectives.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:11 PM

127. When she channels Maggie Thatcher, she frequently overacts

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #127)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:08 PM

138. LOL!

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #138)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:56 PM

141. I wish I were kidding but I'm not...that over-acting of the tough leader brought us

the statement "We came, we saw, he's dead!". Which is at minimum undiplomatic for the head of our diplomatic service.

I'm afraid of her ability to "go all in" when she shouldn't. I think the coup backing and the government overthrowing that took place is bad, and she's been in a position to act like a moderate she claims to be, and argue moderation.

But, she doesn't seem to argue about 'intervention' from that perspective.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #141)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:19 PM

142. oh, i agree with you

It was your description that got me

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:06 PM

137. I fully expect to vote for the Dem nominee. Please God, don't let it be Hillary!

She's reverted back to her Goldwater days. Even Mrs. Goldwater has endorsed her.

Hillary is a phony. I can spot 'em a mile away. Don't expect her to honor her campaign promises, whatever they are. She really only campaigns that she's "qualified" - well that's the same argument that went around in 1960. Nixon was oh so qualified, and Kennedy wasn't.

We know how that all turned out. Kennedy saved the planet in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Nixon slumped out of the White House in perpetual disgrace. Qualifications and experience aren't everything, or even near as important as people presume. McCain was more qualified than Obama. Steven Douglas was more qualified than Lincoln. Their qualifications didn't mean squat.

If all Hillary has to hawk are her experience and qualifications, it's a loser argument.

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Response to Zen Democrat (Reply #137)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:54 PM

148. she looks worse and worse every fucking day

 

what does she even stand for?

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:45 PM

143. Cheney in a pantsuit....

The sight of American presidential candidates humiliating themselves in front of a lobby working on behalf of a foreign government is truly puzzling and demeaning. Bernie Saunders is the only candidate who has maintained his dignity.

~Ava~

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Response to Avalon Sparks (Reply #143)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:55 PM

149. Indeed.... so sick of this twisted situation. God bless Bernie.

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:45 PM

145. so disgusting!

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:46 PM

146. How is it that the only Jewish candidate is the only one willing to treat Palestinians like people?

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:06 AM

157. She should start by making the ME a nuclear free zone.

 

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:54 PM

177. Disgusting.

 

She betrays our national values. I don't think she has any principles.

She is FAR less malevolent than any republican, and I will vote for her if I must, but she is one nasty piece of work.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #177)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:40 PM

181. yep

 

as one who's grown weary of decades of the "lesser of two evils" choice, this is gonna be the hardest one yet

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:58 AM

185. full neocon? No. Try full Mainstream American (and mainstream Dem too)

 



face it; anti-Israel is a lost cause in America. Give up already.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #185)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:39 PM

190. that's no rebuttal

 

and merely shows how "neocon" most Americans are regarding this conflict -- and a likely measure as to how ignorant most Americans are regarding the details.

I'd hate to think that they're educated and support the Israeli war crimes...

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #190)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:52 PM

197. so "most Democrats" are "neocon" regarding this conflict?

 

or are they "ignorant," or both?

You've epitomized what people mean why they use the term "elitist."

Once again:

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #197)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:19 PM

198. I didn't stutter

 

and there's nothing mutually exclusive about those things.

Most of them likely know about as much about this issue detail-wise as the common rightwing flat earther does about climate change

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #185)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:54 PM

195. Thank you for the reality check.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #199)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:25 PM

200. indeed

 

but as the poster above you pointed out, she doesn't have to worry about any reprisals given how mainstream her povs on that conflict are.

it only matters to us people of conscience who can't be anything but honest brokers

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:26 PM

201. She knows where her campaign financing comes from

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #201)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:02 PM

210. Your Results

On Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

She knows where her campaign financing comes from
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1569176

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

what does speaking to AIPAC have to do with her campaign financing? I smell anti-Semitism here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:47 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: An opinion that could be said about anybody tailoring a message to the audience
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Explanation: Kind of innocuous, I've seen worse that did not get alerted.
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Explanation: Nothing outside TOS. Smells of entrapment ALERT.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Are you kidding?!? If this alert was not a mistake, the alerter needs a refresher on the purpose of the jury system.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously alerter?
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yep. There a definite smell to this one. Hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:32 PM

203. Bernie was traveling and asked to participate by video, as others have. AIPAC said no.

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Response to merrily (Reply #203)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:57 PM

208. he should've come like everyone else. Or he was pandering to a fringe

 

within American society and of Democrats, who don't support Israel.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #208)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:02 PM

211. Oh, ffs. He was fucking campaigning as an underdog in states he really needed and had a shot in.

Why was he not given the same courtesy given others before him?

Who on earth are you to "should" on him? Some kind of professional campaign expert? A U.S. Senator, like he is? Someone who ran for President as an underdog, as he is? From whhich great experience and expertise do you make your decisions?

Your posts have a numbing sameness.

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Response to merrily (Reply #211)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:08 PM

212. He missed an important opportunity.

Simple as that.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #212)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:10 PM

213. No, it was denied him as it had not been denied to others. Can you be at least that accurate?

He did his best to accommodate AIPAC and his campaign's needs by requesting video particiipation. It was arbitrarily denied him, although afforded others.

Glad Hills showed up to confirm certain things, though.

And things IRL are rarely "simple as that" unless one overlooks a hell of a lot, for whatever reason.

BTW, never mind answering my question. It was purely rhetorical.

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Response to merrily (Reply #203)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:38 PM

214. which is totally understandable

 

what criticisms he did make woulda been enough for most of them to want to give him the boot...

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Response to stupidicus (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:49 PM

218. Does anyone remember when the Clinton's loved Arafat?

What happened to their support for the Palestinian people?










It has not been a good month for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Not only is Bernie Sanders coming up on her in the clubhouse turn, but Hillary’s recently exposed emails reveal praise for professional anti-Semite Max Blumenthal. The likes of this sort of praise have not been seen since the notorious David Duke commended Blumenthal for exposing the evils of Zionism despite his Jewish name and Jewish face.

In all fairness, Hillary’s praise was for Blumenthal’s earlier book, “Republican Gomorrah,” where Max showed that his contempt for Christians could rival his contempt for Jews. We should remember that Max’s father, Sidney Blumenthal, has been a longstanding, trusted advisor to the Clinton brand. And Sidney has had no hesitation in publicly and actively defending his son’s most recent anti-Semitic screed, “Goliath.”

This is not Hillary’s first rodeo with an anti-Semitic theme. Immediately after Suha Arafat (Mrs. Yasser) publicly launched an anti-Semitic blood libel at a public forum, accusing Israeli soldiers of shooting Palestinian children for their body parts, Hillary was out the gate to give Suha a warm hug, as if affirming the veracity of her statement.

Jewish liberals, in lock step with Hillary’s own convoluted explanation of this outrage, rendered this exquisite rationale for Hillary’s behavior—Mrs. Arafat must have lectured in Arabic, and Hillary did not understand what she said. Clinton would eventually go that route and try to save face and blame it on a mistranslation in her ear. Nonetheless, “in the Middle East,” Mrs. Clinton said, “a kiss is a handshake.”


http://www.jns.org/latest-articles/2015/7/17/hillary-clinton-and-anti-semite-max-blumenthal-dont-ignore-the-association


Do anti-Israel Emails From Hillary's Inner Circle Show Her True Colors?

From an ex ambassador's suggestion to support Palestinian protests to a senior advisor forwarding his son's anti-Zionist articles, emails sent to Hillary Clinton raise questions about the presidential candidate's views on Israel.

The latest round of emails has stepped up the ire aimed at Clinton’s association with Sidney Blumenthal, the journalist-turned-advisor, who was not in the State Department, but received consultancy fees from the Clinton Foundation. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, a friend and associate of Republican kingmaker and Netanyahu backer Sheldon Adelson has been using social media to attempt to crowd-source funds to run an anti-Clinton ad in the New York Times, writing: “Friends, I urgently need your help to raise $37,500 to place a full-page ad in The New York Times and call on Mrs. Clinton to disassociate herself from Sid and Max Blumenthal.”

Before the emails were unearthed, it was a stretch for Boteach and his ilk to draw a line from Max Blumenthal, a controversial anti-Zionist author and journalist and activist hostile to Israel - to his father Sidney - and through to the Clintons.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.697675

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