Every Hillary Clinton supporter should watch these Sanders comments

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Allan Brauer @allanbrauer
Every @HillaryClinton supporter should watch these Sanders comments. Your rage will fuel hours of phonebanking. http://www.shakesville.com/2016/03/this-is-getting-real-old-sanders.html …

A couple of quick thoughts:

1. "I'm not big into being a leader" is a very curious thing for someone to say who is running to be President of the United States, a position often referred to as "leader of the free world," and further an executive position that requires an enormous amount of skilled leadership.

2. After running a campaign centered on demonizing the Democratic establishment, and coronating Hillary Clinton as its evil queen—with either no understanding or no concern about how important the Democratic Party is to lots of marginalized people in red states—now Sanders wants to know what they'll do for him and his supporters to make them feel welcome. That is fucking incredible.

3. Sanders accuses the Democratic Party of having "written off half the states in this country," even though his campaign has explicitly delineated a strategy of writing off those precise states—and has done so on multiple occasions.

I have certainly, over the years, made criticisms of the Democratic Party's failure to invest equitably across the nation, but I am super pissed that Sanders casually elides how hard state-level Democrats often work for their constituents. Like, as but one example, when Indiana Democrats left the state in order to deny the Republican majority the quorum they needed to pass anti-union legislation. Something that Democrats also did in Wisconsin and Texas.

The Democratic establishment includes the entire national party. And crapping all over the people who are often the only ones standing between Republican state majorities and the complete annihilation of marginalized people's basic rights is not endearing Sanders to me.

You know who else is part of the Democratic establishment that Sanders feels isn't doing enough for him? Wendy Davis. Know who else? Leticia Van de Putte. Know who else? Gabby Giffords. Know who else? Tammy Duckworth. Know who else? Bonnie Watson Coleman and Robin Kelly and Yvette D. Clarke.

Are they not doing enough for you and your supporters, Senator Sanders? Are these ladies not being sufficiently welcoming to you?

I guess they're just too busy dancing the night away at cocktail parties.

I'm so fucking done.


read: http://www.shakesville.com/2016/03/this-is-getting-real-old-sanders.html

[BeyondGeography]

1. Sounds like the guy who Barney Frank characterized as

a pain in the ass.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Cute

Actually, Barney didn't say that, but someone did. Maybe a lot of people:

Many of his colleagues in Congress would recognize the stubbornness. “I admired him for his willingness to take stands for what he believed,” former Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank, a man not immune to professing unpopular opinions, tells me. “He went for the ideal, but he was not part of the legislative process. He chose to be an outsider.”

On Capitol Hill, Sanders has a reputation for being a pain in the ass. "Bernie believes that he’s right, and that what he wants is for the greater good,” says Houston consultant Susan Boardman Russ, formerly the longtime chief of staff for the late Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords. “Bernie is so certain that what he represents politically is unquestionably correct, therefore everyone should agree. Not much room for compromise…it was, ‘Play in my sandbox, or get out.’”

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/09/29/bernie-sanders/

[dogman]

15. Damn, he wouldn't play nice with Republicans!

On the other hand the Democratic Party gave him a Committee Chair. And he's the bad Democrat?

[BeyondGeography]

16. He's Bernie, Party of One

And this interview suggests he will be a very bad loser.

[dogman]

18. That's just stupid and insulting.

There are a lot more than one backing Bernie.

[riversedge]

52. We already see that.

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[bkkyosemite]

2. ....

[ViseGrip]

3. Ah...okay, don't make 'them' feel welcome. You're right, they don't deserve to help you.

Now, you need to remember your words.

[bigtree]

8. here I am working to help our party to victory

...and I'm supposed to worry about some Sanders supporter's epic pout like they're the center of the universe?

[Desert805]

13. I guess you'll find out soon enough!

...

[dogman]

17. No, do like your candidate.

Throw away the left and appeal to the moderate GOPs to take their place. Triangulation still works, probably better than principles.

[bigtree]

19. what you're writing here is fantasy

...how you deal with the prospect of a republican presidency is your own responsibility. I'm not going to hold your hand waiting for you to do the right thing.

Btw, the vast majority of the 'left' will be supporting our party's nominee in the fall.

[libdem4life]

30. Bernie beats the Republican current nominee by double digits.

Say what? In fact, all of them. Not so for HRC. At least that's what they say.

[beam me up scottie]

58. What? You posted a Hillary supporter's epic pout like she's the center of the universe.

This woman hates Bernie so much she's completely unhinged.

This isn't the first bizarre hit piece she's written about him either, it's practically a repeat of this one:

The Inherent Misogyny of Sanders' Antiestablishmentarianism

[Dawson Leery]

5. A real Democrat will then have to replace him in the US Senate in 2018.

[JonLeibowitz]

48. I hope the party tries. I want to see them rue the day they thought they could topple Sanders in VT.

[neverforget]

54. Replace the guy who won 86% in the Primary?

[blueintelligentsia]

57. Yeah and in doing so she didn't win a single delegate.

[beam me up scottie]

55. LMAO! You actually think that's a possibility? Because of a poutraged blog post?

[neverforget]

59. Funny that the guy who has voted with, for and caucused with Democrats

has been derided as not a Democrat by Hillary supporters.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Did you read any of that blogger's other propaganda about Bernie?

According to her he's a white male supremacist because he called Hillary part of the establishment interfered with the coronation thus ruining the hopes and dreams of girls and women everywhere.

[neverforget]

61. Yep. I remember when the OP posted great stuff about Ferguson....

Now it's nothing but tripe.

[beam me up scottie]

62. Such a shame.

[Logical]

6. Classy as usual Bigtree. nt

[DURHAM D]

9. Comments are also excellent. nt

[dogman]

10. His refusal to bow to corporatists is your fuel?

cool

[hellofromreddit]

11. I don't see the problem.

[KingFlorez]

12. "I'm not big into being a leader"

He should really get in on Sarah Palin's judge show deal. Both of them could argue each other down with nonsense.

[Eric J in MN]

66. "Not me, us" - Sanders campaign slogan. NT

NT

[Satch59]

14. Good read...

Not sure why he's run as a democrat except to gain national attention. Hillary would have supported him if he was the nominee. The comments are interesting on her article...seems a bunch have lost patience...

[tularetom]

20. I'd only give you a 5 on that little exercise in mental gymnastics

Maybe you need some rest.

[bigtree]

21. I'll do this

...blocked.

Much better.

[Jefferson23]

24. He should be embarrassed to post deliberate distortions. The excerpts are taken out of context. n/t

[tularetom]

27. Aw, he does that stuff all the time

People are starting to catch on to it though.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. I see a post by him

and I read the comments for the comedy. HIs OP's, I rarely read them, and when I do... at times I call him on the shit.

The best part is that these conservadems STILL NEED THE LEFT to win. The alignment is far from complete.

[Bleacher Creature]

22. Wow, way to insult nearly nine million Clinton voters.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they're not all "upper middle class" cocktail party attendees. Luckily, Bernie is here to set them all straight.

I started off really liking him as well, but im not sure how much more of this condescension I can tolerate.

[ismnotwasm]

23. K&R

[jillan]

36. What are you trying to say here? Why are you USING these women & what does this have to do

with Bernie wanting us to break away from corporate power?

This is disgusting and pathetic.

Shameful.

[ebayfool]

47. Shameful and disgusting doesn't begin to describe that shit. And then she deletes it before ...

all of DU can see the vile photos posted. Wicked to use these women's photos in their terrible trials to score a cheap, twisted political point. I've never seen the depths to which some can sink that I've seen this season. And I've been around a long damn time.

Despicable person to post that.

[beam me up scottie]

51. That was vile, I think she outdid herself that time.

Just when you think they can't sink any lower...

[Ed Suspicious]

37. What?

[JDPriestly]

38. Bernie h as worked harder than Hillary for veterans.

The OP is not based on reality at all.

Bernie is outstanding in his support for veterans.

[dogman]

39. Who voted for that war?

Disgusting

[elleng]

40. Delete this, she.

[Dawson Leery]

41. k/r

[yourpaljoey]

43. You need help

[retrowire]

44. uhhh... wtf???

twisting the establishment terminology into a specific targeting of women is a stretch dontcha think?

[Autumn]

49. If all you have is a hammer then everything is a nail.

Did you ever see the "Not good enough Bernie"? That was disgusting too but I'm not sure this one can be topped.

[Hiraeth]

45. ?

[LuvLoogie]

26. Bernie is a life-long member of the You're Not Good Enough Party.

[LuvLoogie]

28. Bernie if he were a Bro in the 80s

[FreakinDJ]

29. Why the fuck do Hil supports have such a hard time understanding this

[jillan]

35. Because they love corporations.

[sadoldgirl]

31. If you are "so fucking done"

I will appreciate the silence.

[SheenaR]

46. First thing I thought of after reading this

And I just learned up thread that the author works very hard for the Party. If by hard work they mean spending most of the day on here trolling Sanders supporters then I guess they are could use a break

[imagine2015]

32. Is it time to swiftboat Bernie yet? What Sanders really said about leadership

Apparently he doesn't wish to become a dictator or a King with his wife Jane serving as a Queen.

Sanders: Well, you know, what I say— Number One, I'm not big into [air quotes] being a leader. You know, I much prefer to see a lot of leaders, a lot of grassroots activism. Number Two, what we do is together, as a nation, as a growing movement, is we say, "All right, if we don't win"—and, by the way, we are in this thing to win; please understand that—"what is the Democratic establishment gonna do for us?"

Uyger: Oh, that's interesting.

Sanders: All right, for example: Right now, you have a Democratic establishment which has written off half the states in this country, you know that?

Uyger: Mm-hmm.

Sanders: And they've given up on the slate in the South, the Rocky Mountain area—are they gonna create a 50-state party? Are they gonna welcome into the Democratic Party the working class of this country and young people, or is it gonna be a party of the upper middle class and the cocktail crowd and the heavy campaign contributors? Which to a significant degree it is right now. You know, I've talked to Democratic Party leaders and said, "You know what? Instead of going around and raising all kinds of money from wealthy people, why don'tcha meet in some football stadium and bring out fifty, a hundred thousand people; bring the damn Senate in there, Senate Democrats, and start talking to people—ask them what they want you to do. How about that?" Better? Radical? So, in other words, if I can't make it, and we're gonna try as hard as we can 'til the last vote is cast, we wanna completely revitalize the Democratic Party, and make it a party of the people, rather than just one of large campaign contributors.

[kristopher]

33. I hear the thoughts of Sanders, then read the remarks of HRC's supporters and understand...

His message seems to elicit responses that aren't connected to the content at all.

He thinks that ceding the South and Rocky Mountain states to the Republicans is a terrible thing to do.
What's the reasoning against his view, why would anyone think we should abandon those US citizens economically and just keep bickering into infinity over social issues?

He wants a strong 50 state strategy.
Since when is that any sort of arrogant view?

He wants to have the elected representatives actually be involved in a process that links them to the 99% instead of those elected representatives being obsessed with fund raising from high dollar donors.
Well that certainly marks Sanders as an enemy of all d/Democrats doesn't it?

WTF.
Over.

[delrem]

34. I feel large pain for you, a Martin O'Malley supporter,

having to deal with the existence of Bernie Sanders.

I feel your pain in every post you post.
I extend my sympathies.

[riderinthestorm]

50. Agreed. The pain and rage really makes me sad

Thanks for putting it so eloquently.

[DemocraticWing]

53. We get it, you hate our guys. Sorry for our existence.

Feels so god damn embarrassing having to grovel to you people for basic decency.

A feeling we know all about, since we had to grovel to get Hillary to endorse progressive issues from gay marriage to criminal justice reform.

[Jitter65]

56. Every super delegate ought to read this fully.

If this is not enough to know and understand that Bernie is out for his #1 priority which is to actually destroy the Democrat party than I don't know what is. Really sad .

[Waiting For Everyman]

63. What a meltdown!

LOL!

Some people seem to think they own the Democratic Party.

Newsflash, writer: Sanders doesn't live to please you. Neither do the rest of us.

[UtahLib]

65. K&R