So, if Southern state primaries 'don't count'

[RandySF]

what do we think about the other red state primaries and caucuses in Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Idaho and the upcoming caucuses in Alaska? Some of these places are redder than much of the 'Bible Belt'.

[dchill]

1. What is WRONG with you?

[RandySF]

2. I'm asking a question

of those who dismiss Southern primary results because they will likely go Republican in November.

[whatchamacallit]

5. That's sucks. Almost as much as calling for Bernie to drop out before my state votes.

[dchill]

9. Almost as bad as dismissing ANY state that is won...

by that interloper!

[RandySF]

10. I haven't dismissed any state.

I don't think any Clinton support has. It's all been coming from Sanders supporters.

[dogman]

29. I think you misunderstood.

That was a repudiation of the claim that they was some indication of electability in the General. The declarations of national victory after a series of southern state wins were absurd. Does turnout matter?

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. They make a terrific argument for their candidate, don't they?

That's one of the few I haven't Ignored yet...not sure why.

[dchill]

16. I'm too fascinated by the mental pretzels they're making.

With fuzzy logic mustard.

[Lizzie Poppet]

20. A bit like slowing down to gape at a car accident...but I understand.

Although it's also a bit depressing to see liberals (I previously assumed) go to that sort of effort for a Republican Lite.

[NanceGreggs]

3. All states are equal.

It's just that some "red states" are more equal than other "red states".

Other than that, they're both the same.

[dchill]

11. W. T. F.

[EndElectoral]

17. Actually all states are not equal. Diff. delegate numbers, proportioning delegates, superdelegates.

And in the GE, if one keeps a scorecard, some states go blue a lot more than red helping the democratic party towards keeping the Presidency, and some states "swing states" are real valuable and loads of money go into them.

The popular vote makes everyone equal. The electoral college and delegate system does not create equality.

[NanceGreggs]

24. It was a riff on an old joke.

"All men are created equal - it's just that some are created more equal than others."

[EndElectoral]

27. OK. Sorry.

[NanceGreggs]

28. No problem.

As I said, it's an old joke.

[NCTraveler]

4. They are red in a much different and observable way. Nt

[leftofcool]

6. I think we all know why "some people say" they don't count.

[RandySF]

7. I remember when Obama was re-elected

someone on either CNN or ABC said it wasn't a truly 'national victory' because we won with the support of minority and urban voters. This is pretty much the same.

[leftofcool]

13. I remember

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

33. How many are these "some people?"

[Vattel]

8. They don't count either.

[EndElectoral]

12. As contributors toward the GE, none of these states helps elect the next Dem President.

This is regardless of who they chose in the primary Sanders or Clinton.

So do they contribute to the primary and selecting the Dem candidate? Of course, that's obvious, through the flawed delegate process. Do these states contribute to help the Democratic Party acquire the needed electoral votes from those states to help win the election for a Democratic President? Rarely.

It's simple math. Due to the electoral college, the swing states have been deciding the elections for a long time. This is why campaigns pour vast amounts of money into a select group of states.

[RandySF]

15. Good point

So this is the opportunity red state Democrats get to have their voices heard. Otherwise, we should just tell them to move to blue states.

[EndElectoral]

21. Actually, moving to swing states would help more.

It's crazy I know, but if Alabama has gone Red since 64 aN Alabama vote for a Dem isn't really changing anything.

There are choices. Thousands of Democrats move to Alabama and try to expand the democratic voter numbers in that state, OR thousands of democrats move to Ohio or Florida and try to expand the numbers in those swing states, OR massive registration and voter drives take place in Alabama.

All of those ideas may be crazy, but here's NOT a crazy idea. How about getting rid of the electoral college and delegate system and simply using the popular vote of individual people? With computers, we can actually do that now. This would really be accounting for everyone and get rid of the swing state influence.

[RandySF]

22. If we go that route

Colorado is a bigger bang for the buck. Or, push AZ from red to purple.

[MADem]

18. The Pacific Northwest states could be regarded as "confederate" in many ways.

Up until fairly recently, they had a number of ugly Jim Crow laws. There is a reason why black people don't feel welcome up that way:

http://depts.washington.edu/civilr/segregated.htm

http://www.seattlemag.com/article/seattles-ugly-past-segregation-our-neighborhoods


https://www.washington.edu/uwired/outreach/cspn/Website/Classroom%20Materials/Pacific%20Northwest%20History/Lessons/Lesson%2021/21.html

This link is a real eye opener--horrible!

http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040

[RandySF]

19. Oregon as a Blue State is a fairly recent phenomenon in American politics.

I remember when they had two Republican senators.

[Chitown Kev]

23. As is California

Thanks to Pete Wilson and Prop 187.

One of the biggest problems the GOP has at the national level is that California is no longer a battleground state (really, it was a pinkish state)

[MADem]

26. It's not a great place for black people, still. nt

[Thinkingabout]

25. Must be the new path for Sanders to win, the south isn't going to go away.

[rusty quoin]

30. Yes, but my hope is that they vote for their own interests.

[Thinkingabout]

31. I voted my interest, guess some wants to exclude all the states results which Hillary won and only

include the states where Sanders won, now that would meet the democratic definition , never.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

32. Who say they don't?