Remember when Tad Devine/Kerry campaign LIKED David Brock and Media Matters?

[msanthrope]

Anybody else here remember 2004 when John Kerry was getting Swiftboated, Devine and campaign were getting killed in the press, and David Brock formed Media Matters to counteract the bullshit? They were relentless in their defense of Kerry...often doing what the campaign shrank from.

Seems like a shitload of Democrats, including the ineffectual Kerry campaign were damn glad to have that man on their side.

David Brock's greatest sin in this campaign? He has correctly noted that Tad Devine does not win Presidental elections.

[MADem]

1. Tad Devine has managed to lose so many campaigns on the D side, I swear he's a GOP plant!

He's been in the mix since at least Carter II. You'd think someone with the number of failures he has under his belt wouldn't be getting such a large paycheck.

[msanthrope]

2. Well, Tad was criticized for not hitting back at the Swiftboaters.....Brock was correct

in going after them. As for the other campaigns, well, what the fuck could you do with Mondale?

[MADem]

6. You could TRY. I can't see where he did.

I think Mister Monsanto has been overrated for many years. It's finally being noted. He's Rovian--and he's totally for sale, from the Ukraine to Bolivia to Israel and points in between.

He's not a "true believer." That is why there's dissonance in the actions/messaging of the Sanders campaign.

[msanthrope]

10. He's a Washington insider. nt

[MADem]

15. Totally! nt

[Lucinda]

5. I read earlier today this will make him 5/5 national losses but I didn't confirm

I wonder why he keeps getting hired? He must talk a good game.

[msanthrope]

8. Let's just say he is a true Washington insider. Which is ironic, no? nt

[Lucinda]

11. Not to me. But I don't think a member of one of the most exclusive groups in the world

for 25 years is a Washington outsider either.

[msanthrope]

14. A white male Senator? Yeah.....such a rebel. nt

[MADem]

9. Well, yeah, at least--he had his hand in Carter 2, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, and now Sanders.

He is a member of a firm that includes Jim Carville and others--they do a lot of "overseas" work, too. Not sure why people are willing to hire them. I am a strong advocate of the "All politics is local" brand. And nowadays, it IS possible to target an ad to a region--you don't have to do one size fits all national ads.

I think he lacks a moral center, and I also think, when the forensics are done, that he will be faulted for making the authentic inauthentic, to put it as succinctly as I can manage.

[Lucinda]

18. Yep. I think he has pushed Bernie into a box that Bernie isnt comfortable with

which is why he went from saying I am a Dem, to finally admitting he ran as a Dem because of the media and party benefits. Now THAT was honest. And he probably should have said so from the beginning.

I think the campaign around Bernie has done him no favors, and I've said that since the first day I came back to DU. They are getting Bernie's message out, but I doubt that is what Devine was looking to achieve.

[rbrnmw]

28. exactly

[JI7]

3. Devine belongs with the mark Penn's joe trippis etc

I wonder why people are attacking dws instead of devine.

[msanthrope]

4. Short memories....I laughed my fucking ass off reading the critique of super delegates

on this site.....

[Lucinda]

7. His treatment of Anita was despicable, but he outed himself and has been

working hard for Dems for a couple of decades now. With all the stuff that could be used against Sanders, I'd say he has been restrained in his efforts.

[MADem]

13. He more than outed himself--he gave us all the keys to the GOP treasure house.

He crossed the bridge with all their dirty secrets, lit the bridge on fire, and published!!!

And, once published, people like Arianna Huffington took a look in the mirror and swam across the river, too!

[Lucinda]

19. He really did. He laid it all out there and named names.

And his turnaround seems to have happened when he was trying to find dirt on Hillary, and wasn't getting anywhere. Which makes it even more interesting to me.

[msanthrope]

21. He met his partner....an aide closely connected to HRC...it changed him. Nt

[MADem]

27. To this day, I still can't help but laugh at his descriptions of Drudge.

I can't see that guy's name without also having an image of a dozen eggs appear in my mind's eye!!!! EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. No. His greatest sin is that he lied about Senator Sanders. It's also his greatest blunder.

But yeah, people's opinions tend to change when a skeevy little piece of shit starts telling lies about them. Do you not find that to comport with human nature? I do.

[msanthrope]

16. Well, I give you kudos for admitting that you think Anita Hill is the lesser evil. That's brave. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. It feels so good to receive accolades from you.

[msanthrope]

20. I hail you for the truth..."lies" in a political campaign against a white male Senator are a greater

sin than actual lies against a black female professor.

Kinda puts paid to all the outrage on "behalf" of Professor Hill, who, by the way, is one of the most respected and professional women I have ever met.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. You just keep on running with what I never said. People can see.`

You're like the little dog that won't stop pulling at a pant cuff. Irksome, but not really worth the bother.

[msanthrope]

23. And yet you keep replying. Nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

25. I do, you're right.

[msanthrope]

26. Thank you. nt

[berni_mccoy]

24. Yes and they irresponsibly lost an easy win.