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Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:23 AM

If Bernie Sanders wins the New York Democratic primary, some superdelegates vow to back Hillary...

If Bernie Sanders wins the New York Democratic primary, some superdelegates vow to back Hillary Clinton anyway

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Reply If Bernie Sanders wins the New York Democratic primary, some superdelegates vow to back Hillary... (Original post)
TexasTowelie Mar 2016 OP
SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #1
Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #2
randome Mar 2016 #3
ucrdem Mar 2016 #6
randome Mar 2016 #8
Chan790 Mar 2016 #9
TexasTowelie Mar 2016 #4
ucrdem Mar 2016 #5
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TexasTowelie Mar 2016 #7
pengu Mar 2016 #10
Kentonio Mar 2016 #11

Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:54 AM

1. Up to the point where someone has the majority of elected delegates, I don't care.

Once someone has the majority, one hopefully assumes they will support that person.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:05 AM

2. War declared in the Democratic Party!

NY Super Delegates have declared war on their voters!

Even if Sanders were to win the April 19 New York presidential contest, when a whopping 247 delegates are at stake, every single New York superdelegate reached by the Daily News said they would never back the Vermont senator.

“Absolutely not,” Elizabeth Stanley, the chief of staff for Westchester County Rep. Nita Lowey, told the Daily News when asked if she could see “any potential situation at all” resulting in her boss switching her support from Clinton to Sanders.

Hillary Clinton is Congresswoman Lowey’s friend, colleague and her constituent, and she is behind her 100%,” Stanley added.
--originally from the NY Daily News


I'd say they are worried, maybe even shaky. To make statements like this, in defiance of the voters who put them in office, before the presidential primary vote has even taken place, before those voters have even voted, to declare war on their own voters on the speculation that they MIGHT go against party stalwarts, is weird. And to say things like "behind her 100%" is kind of like what your boss says the day before she fires you. "I'm behind you 100%, dearie."

Anybody else get this vibe?

100%. Uh-huh.

'YOU! VOTER! DON'T YOU DARE THINK THAT I CAN'T DELIVER YOU TO MY FRIEND HILLARY! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, ANYWAY, PEON?'

War.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:11 AM

3. If superdelegates are only allowed to vote for the 'winner', they are nothing but robots.

 

The entire point of Sanders' campaign from this point forward is to sway superdelegates to vote for only him. Now you feign outrage that superdelegates will be allowed to vote for someone you don't personally accept?

Free will is a 2-way street.

Of course the majority of superdelegates will vote for the candidate that has more loyalty and connections within the Democratic Party, instead of the late-joiner who thinks poorly of them. Sanders can have a voice and help move the party back to the left but, really, he can't just join and then expect everyone to do what he says.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:22 AM

6. Can't think why they wouldn't love Bernie.

Oh wait.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:28 AM

8. "Gentle Bernie"? Wow.

 


[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:36 AM

9. Superdelegates are antidemocratic.

 

They exist for only one reason: To deliver the nomination to a favored candidate of the establishment against the will of the party electorate.

They need to be eliminated.
Not for 2020, but immediately...mid-2016 race; since that's impossible, they should feel a deep obligation to be, yes, robots, and vote the will of their electorates so as to functionally eliminate their role in the process as being anathema to the values of the Democratic party.

I never thought I'd say this...but the winner-take-all, no superdelegates primaries of the GOP mean that their primary process is both more transparent and more democratic than that of the Democratic party. They run their primaries more in line with our values than we do. That should be a point of shame.

They shouldn't have free will...only a beholden obligation to the will of the party voter-base.

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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:20 AM

4. Hyperbole!

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:20 AM

5. If he can't make it there, he can't make it anywhere.

It's up to you, New York New York!

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:22 AM

7. !

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:42 AM

10. Superdelegates are a farce

If they overturn the pledged delegate results there will be hell to pay, starting with a loss to Trump in November.

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Response to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:24 AM

11. The superdelegates should be completely ignored.

They should just sit back and vote for whoever wins the most pledged seats nationally. Anything else is an insult to the democratic process.

They can say they won't switch now, but they also aren't nearly courageous enough to try and overturn a national vote.

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