Should Obama expose the rampant GOP election fraud during tomorrows debate?

[99th_Monkey]

This is just within the past few days, becoming much more widely known, and
talked about; and it IS most definitely an issue that is crucial to having a viable
authentic democratic form of governance in the US of A.

I'd love to see some payback for how ACORN was drummed out of existence for
nothing, for a few trifling and unintended pranks like some idiot writing in Mickey
Mouse and ACORN not catching it in time before it was turned in. minor stuff.

This GOP ELECTION FRAUD HOWEVER IS PREMEDITATED AND DELIBERATE
these are not petty crimes, they are FELONIES, and this goes all the way up to the
GOP chain of command, straight to the Republican National Committee itself.

If Obama doesn't bring this up, who will? Who else has a bully enough pulpit to
do so, to shut down this travesty before we have a replay of 2000 and 2004 on our
hands?

3rd GOP Operative caught trashing Dem Voter Reg. Forms, Local Authorities NOT investigating
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251161075

GOP Voter Registration Scandal Widens, Prosecutors File Criminal Charges
A Virginia official is busted for tossing voter forms. Turns out he works for the national party, too.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gop-voter-registration-scandal-widens-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges

[surrealAmerican]

1. It needs to be exposed.

A debate about foreign policy, however, is not the appropriate place to do so.


He needs to debate foreign policy.

[99th_Monkey]

13. Foreign Policy Angle?

Perhaps a "foreign policy" angle on it would be that since the USA is
supposed to be an example to the world, about how democracy is our
cherished and honored way to govern that is so much more just and
humane than the oppressive bloody alternatives. Which is why Obama
is directing his AG Holder to prosecute all election fraud to the fullest
extent of the law.

Otherwise, why should the US be going around the world insisting --
often at the point of a gun -- that other nations practice genuine democracy?

[ejbr]

31. or

International poll watchers are convinced to monitor our elections: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014273897

[99th_Monkey]

33. Yep. I also posted an OP on that as well

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251161423

quite a lively discussion on this. I'm lovin' it.

Are we waking the fuck up yet?

[ejbr]

34. So it was YOUR post I got this from...

thanks for that. I couldn't locate it, but see I recommended it.

[99th_Monkey]

35. cool :-) ~nt~

[Buddaman]

2. Slam dunk mitty on foreign policy....

MSM will handle the rest

[Tribetime]

5. msm has not handled anything yet

[condoleeza]

3. Good question

I'd love to think it would make a difference and maybe it will only make a difference AFTER the election should Obama somehow mysteriously lose, but I'm not sure if this should be something BO brings up as an issue, I think people who are stupid enough to vote for R/R are w/o help at this point, they just don't care to know the truth.

[Blue Owl]

4. Who benefits from its downplaying?

n/t

[Firebirds01]

6. It must be done perfectly

If they can find the perfect way to word it and incorporate it then yes. It may be best to leave it to the pundits and the media (if they would ever practice actual journalism) because it could be construed as "conspiracy theory"

[99th_Monkey]

9. I completely agree with you

and because it must be "perfect", there is an inherent risk that
it could back-fire somehow (otherwise it wouldn't be a risk would
it?). But then NOT doing so carries a risk too: losing an election,
and any semblance of a true American Democracy along with it.

Perhaps a "foreign policy" angle on it would be how the USA is
supposed to be an example to the world, about how democracy
is cherished and honored here as a way to govern that is much
more just and humane than the alternatives. Which is why Obama
is directing his AG Holder to prosecute all election fraud to the fullest
extent of the law.

[Firebirds01]

14. That would be the

optimal path to take. Americans believe, correctly or not, that developing states look to us when consolidating their own democracies. Therefor, any institutionalized fraud would diminish our position as the world authority on democracy. We would be left out of peace accords and so forth, lose influence, and see our interests fade........at least that is what the argument should be.

[99th_Monkey]

21. Obama could acknowledge & welcome the UN Election Monitors

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263141-international-monitors-at-polling-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group

[PoliticAverse]

7. Instead of mentioning it to Eric Holder?... n/t

[99th_Monkey]

10. You don't think Holder knows?

[Doctor_J]

18. Apparently not

since the election is two weeks away and nothing is being done to stop it

[99th_Monkey]

24. Holder's too busy destroying lives of Medical Marijuana patients, but he did manage

In Ohio recently to force them to allow early voting. .. to his credit..

According to Greg Palast, there are at least NINE different ways the GOP
and Raw-money are buggering the elections this time around, and it's
a staggeringly wide scope of activities to even keep track of, much less
to investigate and prosecute in a timely way with election day just weeks
away.

But maybe the UN will save US democracy.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263141-international-monitors-at-polling-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group

[madrchsod]

8. what he`s going to do is push romney over the edge

[rhett o rick]

29. Say Romnesia three times in a row. nm

[oldhippydude]

11. they have been setting this up since at least 06

remember the US attorney mess... that was all about voter fraud... Karl Rove fired people for not chasing wild geese, in an election year..

th Irony here is that of the few cases that have been truly discovered its Republicans who are the offenders.. for instance the Indiana attorney general, who was forced to step down, and Ann Coulter who openly brags about it...

[ChiTownChavista]

12. It's a non-winner.

The President can't complain about it without looking petty. He's far better off pointing out the racist disenfranchisement in various repug states.

[AverageJoe90]

22. You may be right, I'm afraid.

Indeed, better to stick to the disenfranchisement angle, because many people won't be happy about that, even some Republicans.

[oldhippydude]

15. perhaps there is an October surprise.. courtesy DOJ.. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

25. Timing is everything

If this is the time that we have, to save any semblance of democracy in the USA,
but we miss it, well... we're doubly fucked.

But I know this silence is deafening. Hell, there are even UN Election Monitors who
are going to monitor US elections.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263141-international-monitors-at-polling-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group

[davidn3600]

16. Its a strictly foreign policy debate. Moderator wont go anywhere near that

[99th_Monkey]

26. There are any number of legitimate foreign policy angles on this

A very real Foreign Policy angle on this would be how the USA is
supposed to be an example to the world, about how democracy
is cherished and honored here as a way to govern that is much
more just and humane than the alternatives. Which is why Obama
is directing his AG Holder to prosecute all election fraud to the fullest
extent of the law, perhaps highlighting how Holder forced Ohio to
allow early voting, against the wishes of GOP officials.

And maybe mention too, that he's not proud of the fact that the UN
Election Monitors have been called in due to high level of suspected
fraud. It doesn't get more "foreign policy" than the UN.

Also, how can US go around the globe, preaching democracy when it
isn't doing democracy at home?

[robinlynne]

36. Holder prosecute all election fraud? Are you kidding? HOlder

did NADA in FLorida. nothing. Holder forced Ohio to allow early voting? Wasn't it the Ohio supreme court?
I haven't seen Eric Holder do ANYTHING yet. Citzens are standing up, not Eric Holder.

[99th_Monkey]

38. Courts decide stuff, AG's prosecute cases.

I was thinking it was the DoJ that had intervened in Ohio, but instead
it was Prez. Obama's campaign, acting in concert with the Ohio Democratic
Party who challenged the "no early voting" law.

So technically you are correct in saying that it wasn't Holder who
prosecuted this case, but rather Obama's campaign attorneys.

I share your dislike of Holder btw.

Personally, I think Holder has spent way too much energy, time and
federal resources ruining otherwise perfectly good people's lives, who
participate somehow in a state-voter-approved Medical Marijuana
program.

[robinlynne]

39. Exactly, while election fraud is rampant. LAst monht he had 150 federal agents combing house to hous

house for marijuana in Los Angeles. Imagine 150 federal agents investigating election fraud!!!!!
Real crimes would be found.

[99th_Monkey]

40. Wow, I hadn't heard of such a massive sweep in LA.

I live in Oregon, and DEA and DoJ are busily ruining peoples
lives here as well, who have the audacity to participate in a
legal voter-approved Medical Marijuana program.

I just watched that movie "Traffic" last night for the first time,
which I had missed when it came out quite awhile ago. It
was excellent, won some awards, etc. staring Michael Douglas,
which is about our pathetic "War on Drugs". Which in a way
is doubly vexing, since we obviously KNOW what we are doing
is wrong every which way, but we keep on doing it anyway.

Isn't there a name for that practice?

[robinlynne]

41. if you liked traffic, watch the orignal traffic a BBC series. M<UCH MUCH better than the film.

It is something like 9 hours long. I watched it all in one day. couldn't stop.

I just wish those agents were investigating election fraud.

[99th_Monkey]

42. I'll check it out. Thanx.

Me too, re: election fraud and the DoJ seeming to be looking the other way.

It defies logic, as though Obama doesn't give a shit whether he gets the election
stolen from him or not. I don't really believe that, but am coming up short on
ways to explain his & Holder's obtuseness about GOP election fraud.

[robinlynne]

43. In all seriousness, Obama made NO appointments to the EAC, the federal overseer of election

equipment. really. none.

[99th_Monkey]

44. I know his excuse is that the ReThugs block almost ALL of his appointments

which is pretty much true.

but he did manage to make "recess appointments" while congress was
out of session to the Labor Relations Board, so where there's a will, there's
a way, esp. when you are POTUS.

[robinlynne]

45. and when you have a Dem congress for 2 years....

[Doctor_J]

17. Nah...he needs to be bi-partisan...

and the political climate isn't right for confrontation...and he'll be called an angry black man...

Sickening capitulation and lack of fight by the administration and a whole bunch of DUers.

[Blue Owl]

19. "Mitt Romney's relationship with paperless Etch-a-Vote machines is clearly sketchy..."

n/t

[budkin]

20. 2 reasons he would not

1. It's a foreign policy debate

2. The Dems are afraid to bring it up because they somehow think it will legitimize the Voter ID laws

[99th_Monkey]

27. Democracy IS foreign policy, haven't you noticed?

how the USA keeps forcing democracy on other nations, often
at the point of a gun?

One good "foreign policy" angle on it would be how the USA is
supposed to be an example to the world, about how democracy
is cherished and honored here as a way to govern that is much
more just and humane than the alternatives. Which is why Obama
is directing his AG Holder to prosecute all election fraud to the fullest
extent of the law.

Another is to wonder out loud why the UN Election Monitors feel so
obliged to be inspecting US elections this year.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263141-international-monitors-at-polling-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group

[Kteachums]

23. I hope he is ready for a Mitt bully who will try to control the ball!

Fight for all of us President Obama. You have got to win this debate too and send Mittens away with his tail between his legs!

[robinlynne]

28. the debate is about foreign policy.

[99th_Monkey]

30. Had you read the above string of comments, you would know this

#13 Foreign Policy Angle?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=161287

#26. There are any number of legitimate foreign policy angles on this..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=161380

[99th_Monkey]

32. Oh, and this one too

27. Democracy IS foreign policy, haven't you noticed?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=161395

[robinlynne]

37. good luck wiht that. Obama has done NOTHING to rpotect our elcitons. the Bush appointees

are still there, in charge of election supervision. the FEC is simply empty of comissioners. And we did have a Dem congress in 2009; don't even go there.