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Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:06 PM Mar 2016

I'm not crazy enough NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee, but HRC is making it tough.

Honestly, I started out for Hillary.
Then Bernie pulled my heart strings.
I started sending money Bernie.
I held firmly that the Democratic Nominee would get my support.
Hillary started acting condescending and arrogant, and her supporters fell in exponentially.
I've been blocked and resent it.
I can no longer tolerate HRC supporters with their half-truths, lies, and smears against Bernie.
I've lost respect for HRC, not to mention WJC and CC, as well.
Campaigning on gender bias (both ways) is wrong.
The Clintons are now dead to me.

While I will vote for the Democratic nominee in November, if it's Hillary, she won't get a dime from me. I contributed heavily to Obama and Sanders. Clinton can call Goldman-Sachs and give 'em another quarter of a million speech if she needs cash.

I'm white.
I'm female.
I'm over 60

How about that for a Bernie model. In my family, it's three generations for Bernie: me, my son, and my grandchildren. What could Hillary do to get me excited about her?

Kick Goldman-Sachs to the curb. They are the devil.
Eschew advice from Henry Kissinger, another devil.
Stop taking money from For-Profit-Prisons, which are a scourge in this country.
Stop holding on to federal marijuana laws, which need to be abolished.
Make a statement that she will never negotiate to raise the age or lower the benefits of Social Security.
Pledge to never support the TPP, ever!

And that will be a good start. Republicans always go for more than they expect to get. Democrats have generally gone for less than they would like to get. Bernie is that rare politician on the left who has the courage of his convictions, and he is willing to stand up for them. That's been unheard of in Democratic politics since JFK.

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Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
1. The OP could have been written by me
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:25 PM
Mar 2016

except my granddaughter isn't old enough to vote.

She is, however, an enthusiastic Bernie supporter.

Raggaemon

(68 posts)
2. WTF ?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

I read through a number of liberal blog sites regularly, and what saddens me is the viciousness of the attacks MOST notably by Bernie Sanders backers ( MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES ).

The author of the previous post Zen Democrat, exposed something I think explains what's going on, " Then Bernie pulled my heart strings" .... EMOTION, maybe it's time to take a few steps back and reel in some of the emotions ?

I'm disappointed by the lack of even handedness I'm finding in liberal media, there's a pro-Sanders push that seems extreme, making open minded discussions close to impossible, it's the Hatfields vs. McCoys.

You do understand the delicate state of world economies and what would likely happen if ANY president were to talk about taking serious steps to break-up the big banks, it might feel good taking a pound of flesh from fat cats, at the risk of sending seismic shock waves throughout financial markets, has there been any real thought about that beyond the temporary emotional satisfaction it would bring ?

Democratic Socialism means using a democratic/parliamentary processes to instill Socialist policies, how would the U.S. economy make such adaptations, to what extent is Sanders envisioning Socialism being woven into the U.S. ?

I'm a 60's Peace & Love, anti-Vietnam war guy, but I think there's so much of one side beating the hell outta the other ( HC ), that it's drowning out people asking and answering tough questions. I've been called a "fucking idiot", " stupid ", a "republican ", I've been told by Sanders backers, " you just don't get it ", I've been unfriended by Facebook friends who support BS, it's petty and silly IMO, there is NO room for debate, either throw your word grenades and use your flame thrower playing zero-sum, scorched earth politics ... if we lose we'll make you pay, we'll stay home or we'll vote for Trump kinda stuff, come on now !

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. Pro Bernie media bias? You have to be joking.....
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

Here's the thing, you come here and instantly start preaching about all the flaws and faults you find in others, much like any other giver of sermons. You define yourself as the judge and everyone else as sinners. You come to gossip about things you claim happened to you as if that gossip should be seen as honest, when no gossip is honest.

I've seen your candidate claim Ronald Reagan led the way on AIDS activism. She said it. There is video. Her supporters ignore that and want to whine about things they saw on Facebook. WTF? How nasty is that. 'Forget about AIDS, I'm having a bad day on social media!!!!'

Barf.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
5. Bernie doesn't want a socialist state. He's a Democratic Socialist as was FDR.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:53 PM
Mar 2016

You remember FDR and his Socialism don't you? The CCC, the WPA, Social Security ... all socialism. As is Medicare, so I guess LBJ was a socialist, too.

I'm for Bernie because he's more progressive than the ever-moderating Hillary Clinton. And I'm a real, voting, hard working Democrat who knows the issues and the history of the party. Hillary acts like Bernie is messing up her coronation.

I loved JFK, RFK, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and more than all together, Barack Obama. I need to feel a connection for the candidates' message to go all-in 100%. I feel it for Bernie, but Hillary leaves me cold as a fish. She's completely scripted and, sorry, but I look in her eyes, and all I see is the dream of being POTUS.

Heck, I don't even know what she's FOR. She has foreign policy experience, but I didn't agree with a lot of it. She's had screw-ups, including letting Libya go to the dogs of radicalism, and never finding a war she didn't like. Not to mention she was late to oppose too many things, including Keystone and TPP. Hillary and Bill are free traders. It's undeniable. The Clinton Foundation proves it.


marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
9. "socialism" ???
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016
How about let's just call it Democracy. What we have now is not democracy.

Come on you know things have to become more equitable in this country now. For the good of all.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
12. A for effort, but no, rejected. You're pretending as though Sanders was some kind of dangerous
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

dangerous choice.

Nope. That would be the rest of the field. If you want to get all pragmatic, you'd better think about voting for Sanders; he's the ONLY pragmatic choice.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. Exactly so. After a half-century in Demo politics, I've never seen more off-putting supporters
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

....than those scorched Earth posters here claiming to "support" her, and "support" Democrats in general.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
6. Perfect agreement with the OP (except I was initially hoping for Elizabeth Warren before coming to
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders).

I will vote for the Democrat, but I go to bed at night and wake up every morning hoping it will be Sanders because Hillary would be the weakest nominee in my lifetime (and I lived through Dukakis '88). When I say "weakest," I mean BOTH in terms of she's offering the weakest comfort to progressives ideologically and she is the least electable candidate who has received such support from the Democratic establishment.

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
7. I'm right where you are
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

maybe a little younger...

Almost-50 white female, at-home mom, right in the demo group she claims to have nailed down.

And for all the hand wringing and pearl clutching about 'Bernie-bros', Clinton supporters have been horribly nasty in their own right. Then there is the "get out of our party, we don't need lefties!" thing that I see nearly every day.

Obama ran on hope and we got some wins and some losses from him.

Clinton is running on a hand-slapping "NO, you can't have anything" ideal. On the plus side, if she promises nothing, she can't fail to deliver.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
11. It's sad, but Bill and Hill aren't the same people who came to Washington in 1993.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:57 PM
Mar 2016

And I'm not the same person who voted twice for Bill. I really think they started to smell to me during the 2008 campaign against Obama. I saw the raw edges of the Clintons for the first time, and I'm seeing them again this year. I really don't understand how the Hillary fans can tolerate her arrogance.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
10. I think I've found a long lost twin.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:15 PM
Mar 2016

That's exactly how I feel. (I'm also white, female and over 60.)

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