So in AZ the people who run elections knew who was going to vote for Bernie some

[upaloopa]

days in advance and changed their registrations and also knew where Bernie folks were going to vote and closed those polls.

And they had some secret inter workings with Hillary's campaign people to help Hillary even though it would disenfranchise repub voters also.

Next Hillary is running around New York with stolen lists of Bernie supporters getting county registrars to wipe them off the rolls.

[awake]

1. Well if they had access to the Democrats data base they could easily have known

based on canvassing information.

[Bjornsdotter]

2. Perpetuating this myth

....accomplishes what exactly? So many Bernie supporters have said it had nothing to do with the Clinton campaign. So why continue with this?

[geek tragedy]

4. because the threads keep on appearing with dozens of recs. nt

[Bjornsdotter]

5. And keeping the myth alive

...is productive in what way?

I don't follow.

[geek tragedy]

10. maybe Sanders supporters who are logical and rational should tell their fellow partisans

that constantly peddling crazy-ass conspiracy theories doesn't help anything and actually detracts from the efforts to form a united front on vote suppression by trying to weaponize the issue in order to attack Hillary Clinton and delegitimize the 100% legitimate votes that were cast for her.

it's not enough to say 'well, the majority of us aren't saying that'

really not a good look that there's a 100:1 ratio of (a) threads complaining about Arizona, and inventing claims of vote suppression in New York and Pennsylania and attacking Clinton over it to (b) threads decrying vote suppression in all other states combined, including Wisconsin (Bernie going to win, so never mind), North Carolina (voter ID affects voters who voted for Clinton so never mind), Texas (ditto), etc etc.

Sanders supporters here--in large numbers-- have advocated the full disenfranchisement of every single Clinton voter over Nevada (because of one youtube video) and Massachusetts (Clenis interreptus) and called for every single delegate in those states to be awarded to Bernie Sanders.

And, they've repeatedly called for the erasure of every single vote that was cast in Arizona for a non-plausible redo of the primary.

How many Sanders supporters spoke out against calls for voter disenfranchisement when those threads came up?

Not a single one.

So, when your side either (a) stops cynically exploiting the issue for crass partisan purposes or (b) starts policing its own, then the rancor will go away.

Not until then.

[Bjornsdotter]

14. Well then we will have to agree

....to disagree. I don't see threads like this as being helpful in the long run. The excuse of "they do it also" is never very effective.

[upaloopa]

20. Well we have to agree to disagree. It isn't they do it also it is they do it!

We aren't going to take the rap evey time Bernie loses

[Bjornsdotter]

22. As do you n/t

[upaloopa]

24. I am not going to let you make us and our candidate the bad guys. You are the bad guys for doing it

[Bjornsdotter]

25. And I will call you out

.....when you are spreading myths. Numerous Bernie supporters blamed the GOP for the situation in Arizona. You refuse to acknowledge that. It's cherry picking.

There are people on both sides, who in their passion for their candidate, that have crossed a line. To state that is one sided is disingenuous.

[upaloopa]

19. Well said, thanks

Evey time we do something we get told we are the bad guys they spread conspiracy after conspiracy and we should just have the equanimity to STFU.

We I don't play that game.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. WTF?

[ibegurpard]

6. Not the real issue

The real issue is Hillary taking the win and remaining absolutely silent about what went down. That's really fucked up. People might have some respect for her if she said "Hey I won in Arizona but what happened is unacceptable and I'm not going to stop talking about it until we know the reasons, deal with the people who dropped the ball and give redress to anyone who was actually prevented from voting." And then follow through. I have no doubt this will not happen because she's just not the type of honest and ethical politician that would say or do something like that. She'll take her "win" and keep her mouth shut.

[geek tragedy]

11. maybe you should stop caring about Hillary's reaction less than the issue itself.

and also start caring about it in places where it doesn't provide an excuse to delegitimize Clinton victories.

[ibegurpard]

15. what deligitimizes it

Is her silence on the issue.

[LexVegas]

7. Its just more excuses for losing. nt

[WhiteTara]

8. She is all powerful and can control the weather too. nt

[cosmicone]

9. Of course

Hillary knows in advance who is going to vote for Bernie and changes their registrations at night.

[yardwork]

17. I heard she does it on her Blackberry. /nt

[jillan]

12. Are you kidding me? Still saying this? You do know by now that Hillary voters were disenfranchised

as well? And that she earned another delegate since the election because they are counting a % the provisional ballots?

Republicans were disenfranchised as well.
Listen to this Republican if you do not believe me that this was state wide.
He starts speaking at 1:16:31

Please stop this.

[ChiciB1]

13. OKAY, ENOUGH With The Data Breach Stuff For ME!!!

Over the past SIX months I've received letters of requests by DNC, DSCC, State Democratic, Hillary Clinton for POTUS... just about EVERY Democratic Group from DC and Hillary Campaign. Each time I sent back THE VERY SAME LETTER I wrote some time ago about NOT Re-registering as a Democrat because I've been so upset about HOW This Democratic Party has done so very little for "we the people!"

I had signed up very early on, maybe 8 months ago to donate to Bernie on a monthly basis. I did it the first time a request came in right after he announced so the month count may be off. Then I started getting emails from The Hillary Campaign and I UNSUBSCRIBED from the, several times. Kept getting them so just ignore them, THEY won't stop!

And THERE ARE the phone calls that WON'T stop! After answering call after call because they were coming from different numbers and different states, I've finally decided NOT to answer any phone call from a number I don't recognize. Yes, I do get emails from Bernie on a regular basis with updates, results, amounts of $$$ raised... all the usual stuff, BUT I AM ON HIS LIST!

So I want to know WHO put my name on HER LIST and I also want to know why THEY WON'T stop!! And the LETTERS keep coming too!

The letter I composed for ALL requests from THIS Democratic Party is one that covers all they need to know and it's in BOLD red type too!

So when I keep hearing about Bernie breaking in and STEALING her information, and when I hear about what happened with Tim Canova this CRAP about how HE broke the law, PLEASE tell me WHY Clinton WON'T stop!! I never supported her the LAST time she ran and most certainly NEVER signed up this time around.

Bernie has said what happened with the lists, but with HILLARY it seems SHE gets a pass! IMO, DWS and The Clinton Machine started from the VERY beginning to do everything they could to undermine his campaign and it's STILL going on!

Keep bringing it up if YOU want, but the bulk of any shenanigans that may have gone on in Primary after Primary makes me feel almost certain that The Clinton Machine is working over time!! So just CARRY ON as they say, it's not holding water anymore!

At least not for me. Maybe you can tell The Hillary Campaign to stop contacting me while you're at it! Sure would be nice!

[yardwork]

16. Bernie sends me emails every day and I never signed up with him.

Calm down.

Anybody who had ever contributed to any candidate is on ever candidate's mailing list. Get over it.

[fun n serious]

23. I get that too from Sanders campaign

at 4:00 am everyday. I have done everything to get them to stop but they will not so I tried to block on my own but they call from different numbers. Uggg So frustrating

[Aerows]

18. I'm starting to think about the

data breach and that things may not have occurred exactly as the DNC painted that picture.

[JoePhilly]

21. Not that hard for the people who faked the Moon landing!!!!!!!!!!

Which Hillary did!!!!!

[w4rma]

26. Here’s how one man hacked Latin American elections for nearly a decade

The 31-year-old started his nefarious career back in 2005, initially completing much smaller, less substantial tasks. He would deface campaign websites, break into opponents’ donor bases — you know, your more run-of-the-mill illegal online activity.

But as his expertise and reputation grew, so too did the size of his jobs. He began putting together entire teams who ran digital smearing, hacking, and other unsavory campaigns. And then, in 2012, operating under a $600,000 budget, Sepúlveda says that the zenith of his career came with the Enrique Peña Nieto election in Mexico. “He led a team of hackers that stole campaign strategies, manipulated social media to create false waves of enthusiasm and derision, and installed spyware in opposition offices, all to help Peña Nieto, a right-of-center candidate, eke out a victory,” Bloomberg reports.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/andres-sepulveda/

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. GOP is paving the way for a massive election fraud, and Bernie supporters are blaming Hillary?

BETTER GOD DAMN NOT BE

[bobbobbins01]

28. All campaigns phonebank.

So its easy to generate a list of supporters for the other candidates.

[lakeguy]

29. it would take all of a minute to do a database match

with a list of probable Bernie supporters (lifted through the DNC non.firewall or even from the HRC campaign in the state) and voter registrations in AZ. not saying it happened, but it isn't impossible. would this nab some potential HRC supporters, sure. but it would most definitely hurt him more than her. her campaign wouldn't even have to know. would just take one person with access that wanted HRC to win. it wouldn't be the first time dirty stuff was done during an election.

[upaloopa]

32. Hillary was going to win AZ big. There is no reason to go through all that trouble.

[riversedge]

30. Oh. That was so good. Thank you

[rock]

31. OK, you got me laughing