2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCharlie Cook's latest on the Presidential race (we're uncomfortably ahead)
http://cookpolitical.com/story/4973Romney entered the first debate with an edge arguably in only one battleground state: North Carolina. Going into the second debate, the former Massachusetts governor also led narrowly in Florida and Virginia, putting him ahead in three of 11 battleground states. Obama now holds small leads in Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin, with a slightly wider advantage in Nevada. He still leads, in my judgment, in Ohio by about 4 points (although going into the second debate, one senior Romney strategist claimed that the two men were essentially tied at 47 percent in the Buckeye State). Romney is polling far back in Michigan and Pennsylvania, states that are effectively noncompetitive.
Although history and this column have argued that the popular vote and the electoral vote usually go in the same direction (thats what happened in 53 of 56 presidential elections), today, Romneys national popular-vote situation is different than his Electoral College challenge. Romneys scar tissue in swing statesthe damage inflicted on him by negative ads funded by the Obama campaign and Priorities USA, targeting Bain Capital, plant closings, layoffs, outsourcing, income taxes, and bank accounts in Bermuda, the Caymans, and Switzerlandis still a huge problem. This is compounded by the fact that before the ads aired, voters knew very little about Romney; because of that, they had no positive feelings or perceptions to help him weather the assault. As a result, the attacks stuck as if he were covered in Velcro. Hence, the swing states, many of which have endured saturation advertising since June (73,000 ads in Las Vegas alone), behave differently than the fortysomething other states that have seen little advertising.
The big unknown in this race is turnout--we know the Republicans' base will turn out because they hate Obama. Will our base--especially young and Hispanic voters--turn out in similar numbers? Will our likely voters actually stay home, or are our unlikely voters the secret weapon in this campaign?
The two campaigns are talking different campaigns--Obama's people are talking numbers, Romney's are talking momentum. Usually numbers trump, but not always.
DFW
(54,447 posts)He is really neutral and really tries to be as objective as possible. Where he has bad news (to us), he's usually spot on. If he's got good news for us, he's usually right about that too.
amborin
(16,631 posts)DFW
(54,447 posts)We already know that the Republicans are using a very wide-spread net of operatives to deny Democrats the right to vote. From criminals tossing out voter registrations to thugs harassing native Americans in the plains states to private programmers of electronic vote-counting machines to robocalls to Democratic districts telling voters that they should not come vote until Wednesday due to heavy traffic, they are using EVERY manner of election tampering they can, since they know that in a fair election, they lose, and lose BIG. So? Every able body who can should get to the nearest local office of the Democratic Party and ask WHAT they can do to get registered voters to the polls on November 6th. Volunteer your time, stay awake as long as you can, man the phones, knock on doors, TALK to people, get them to the polls. It won't happen by itself.
amborin
(16,631 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He doesn't rely on public polling, and makes a point to ignore crap robopolls.
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)I place great confidence in his assessment of the race unlike my feelings about Larry Saboto who is grossly overrated in my opinion.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)He says Obama is ahead in every state that he needs to be. The problem is that Romney can't win without Ohio, where every objective poll shows that he isn't close to having the lead there. He also needs to win several other states that he isn't leading in. He needs to have a perfect game on election night in order to just barely get above 270. The path is too narrow and all of the pointless pessimism doesn't change that fact.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)I completely agree with you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He'd have to win Wisconsin and Iowa, and he ain't winning Wisconsin.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I don't think we can count on them for Obama votes, I see them writing in Paul or Johnson or don't vote at all). So, votes that would normally go to the Dems, won't be. I hope there are enough Repubs dissatisfied with Romney that those Occupy votes get evened out.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)They are voting against Obama. But hopefully at least some of the republicans really can't stand Romney.
In which case they could stay home, vote for Gary Johnson, or write someone in.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)were the same that refused to vote for the Democrat for President in 2008, 2004, and 2000.
That sliver of votes isn't going to change, so no sense fretting over it.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)I don't know why because I really didn't want to get into it. They seem to feel let down by him in some way.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Especially in a weak economy.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)In Wisconsin we are being snowed under by political flyers, mainly GOP in my red county here. And on TV, every news program, at least, is filled with ads, ads, ads over and over. And even though we DVR most of our programs, we are even sick of fast forwarding through them all! I don't know about radio because I listen mainly to public radio. Signs are mostly GOP too--they are spending a ton of money on signs. Don't know if that is a good use of money or not. Hope not!
Latest from Nate Silver is that Wisconsin has a 79% chance of going for Obama.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)I think a lot of Romney voters are the "hold your nose" kind.
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)and Obama wins the electoral college Romney won't just accept the result and concede. Romney will try to win the race by using the 36 Republican state legislatures to give Romney a majority of electors.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)No matter who wins the election in that state. See Bush V. Gore. The Supreme Court ruled that state legislatures have plenary (plenary authority refers to the complete power of a governing body) power to choose electors. Would the GOP do such an outrageous thing? In 2000, in Florida, the GOP state legislature declared that if Gore won a recount that they would still give the election to Bush. I heard no complaints from anyone about that. If the GOP tried to do it this time, they'd find some way to justify it to their voters, which wouldn't be hard, since they accept subverting democratic ideals below their own agenda. See voter ID laws. The GOP would just say that the founding fathers left the power of state legislatures to choose electors for just such a situation.
From Bush V. Gore
" The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College. U. S. Const., Art. II, §1. This is the source for the statement in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1, 35 (1892), that the State legislature's power to select the manner for appointing electors is plenary; it may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself, which indeed was the manner used by State legislatures in several States for many years after the Framing of our Constitution. Id., at 28-33. History has now favored the voter, and in each of the several States the citizens themselves vote for Presidential electors. When the state legislature vests the right to vote for President in its people, the right to vote as the legislature has prescribed is fundamental; and one source of its fundamental nature lies in the equal weight accorded to each vote and the equal dignity owed to each voter. The State, of course, after granting the franchise in the special context of Article II, can take back the power to appoint electors. See id., at 35 ("[T]here is no doubt of the right of the legislature to resume the power at any time, for it can neither be taken away nor abdicated" (quoting S. Rep. No. 395, 43d Cong., 1st Sess.)."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=00-949
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)in 2000 was never tested because SCOTUS stopped the count. If they had not stopped the count and had Gore won there would have been 2 sets of electors. At that point it would have been in the hands of the Senate I believe to vote on which set of electors to recognize. And probably another court case.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)There has been some tightening, yes, but Obama has sustained a lead there at least since the conventions. This suggests the fundamentals are on his side. Taking Ohio out of play makes it very difficult for Romney. A lot of other things would have to go his way and the chances are still fairly good that Obama will win Virginia. And I still think both NC and Florida will be in play for a long time on election night, based on Obama's strength with Hispanic voters. So far early voting has been encouraging for Obama in Ohio, NC and Florida.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)A truly tied race would show as many polls with Romney ahead as with Obama ahead. But all of the polling is on the wrong side of the 50 yard line for Rmoney.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)why it was so important not to let him look "acceptable" at the debates.
His people are laying the groundwork for a milder, gentler Wrongney on Iran today.
We had better be ready with so old warhawk quotes !!