2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary just said on MTP she feels bad for young Bernie Supporters for believing in Bernie.
And knowing the facts about her record and who is donating to her.
She pities them. Because they know what she is. I guess Hillary just thinks ignorance is bliss.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)But we can hope.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)These are just live reports .
Baobab
(4,667 posts)And only making intelligent speeches to the very wealthy and overseas, or behind closed doors, and that that's for a reason.
Even so, many can just FEEL that something is quite wrong.
LS_Editor
(893 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)oregonjen
(3,338 posts)How can she expect all of us to come together in November when she says this? Yuck!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Bad!
djean111
(14,255 posts)Her irritation is showing, and it is not presidential at all.
And she does not feel sorry for anyone but herself, IMO, unless there is a photo op and some PR attached to it.
smiley
(1,432 posts)In case she manages to actually avoid an indictment and win the nomination.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Yet she portrays herself as a Climate Change Advocate in the interview with Chuck Todd today!
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-interview-clinton-on-abortion-fbi-and-debates-658016835580
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)She thought Taco Bell was the Mexican phone company.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)People and cost her against Obama.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)learn nothing!
Karma13612
(4,553 posts)behavior.
And when you have the wonderful Brock& Co, et al to help steer her to the 3rd Way finish line, what else do we expect.
This.Is.Her
And if we don't like the way she is behaving regarding campaigning to be President of the US, can you imagine how she will be under the stresses of commander and chief.
I swear, in some pictures with Huma Abedin, I am now convinced that Huma is enjoying watching Hillary under duress.
I have seen a few shots, especially re: the B-azi Hearings, and her look is almost comical.
Not to mention the comment Huma made in an email how Hillary is "often confused".
Ooops.
senz
(11,945 posts)mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)The process.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)There's a difference between "being bold" and overpromising, with the latter being nothing more than a form of lying. The way Sanders has been promising things he can't deliver to people who truly need them is both shameful and cruel. The people who bought into it are deserving of sympathy.
The fact that he's also manipulating donation data to try and turn Clinton into some sort of bogeyman just makes it worse.
senz
(11,945 posts)https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/
And unlike Hillary, his proposals reflect his lifelong advocacy for the American people and weren't just hatched by aides in a leftward move to get Democratic votes.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)$ka ching!$ LOLLL
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Was Woman's Rights Movement nothing but a lie? No, what the lie is, is that people keep telling us that we can't do it when it has been proven that we have already done it and will do it again. So go ahead and feel sorry for us all you want. Good luck trying to get Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary in the GE(IF she wins the nom) with that attitude though.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)He's not leading a movement. Those are two very different things.
But I do appreciate the "I won't vote for Clinton because I disagree with a random person online!" touch.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)people will continue the political Revolution, and I don't give a shit what you think about whom I will vote for either in the primary or the GE.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)People are drawn to him because of issues and policies and the general sense that the system is rigged/broken and we can and must do better.
Win or lose, he has brought these to the forefront and we will keep working on these issues.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Do not waste you time feeling sorry for me, madam secretary. I am happy with my choice.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)The more people see her, the more her negatives go up.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)She didn't count on millions of people seeing through her arrogance and condescension. SHE wants to be president, dammit, and it's HER turn! How dare you not help make HER dreams come true?!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Pending focus group approval...
Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)Not any more. It's time for the next generation to have a say in their future.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)They just fooled a lot of people into believing they were the best choice. 25 years later we see the consequences in so many ways. The consequences of the Crime Bill, NAFTA, the war on drugs, financial deregulation, the Telecommunications Act, the virtual disappearance of anti-trust legislation. Just as a Democratic President couldn't have gotten away with going to China when Nixon did, I don't think a Republican President could have gotten through all the conservative legislation of the Clinton administration. And then of course, there is the takeover of the DNC by the DLC.
MBS
(9,688 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)It's much faster and I didn't have to look at or listen to her.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)that she cusses them out every day.
Just who does she think she's kidding?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Instead of fabricating insults like you just did, that feed our youths anger without basis of reality. It is a horrible thing to do to our young voters and a sure way to disenfranchise. While Clinton works at righting that wrong.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)him and the Establishment of that time, the so-called "Greatest Generation", and the video below was one of our collective responses to that massive death-trap con job. This is for you Bernie-revolution millennials, just know that you are not alone this time, as we were...
Question (Moody Blues, 1970)
Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the door
With a thousand million questions
About hate and death and war
It's where we stop and look around us
There is nothing that we need
In a world of persecution
That is burning in its greed
Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the door
Because the truth is hard to swallow
That's what the wall of love is for
It's not the way that you say it
When you do those things to me
It's more the way that you mean it
When you tell me what will be
And when you stop and think about it
You won't believe it's true
That all the love you've been giving
Has all been meant for you
I'm looking for someone to change my life
I'm looking for a miracle in my life
And if you could see what it's done to me
To lose the the love I knew
Could safely lead me through
Between the silence of the mountains
And the crashing of the sea
There lies a land I once lived in
And she's waiting there for me
But in the gray of the morning
My mind becomes confused
Between the dead and the sleeping
And the road that I must choose
I'm looking for someone to change my life
I'm looking for a miracle in my life
And if you could see what it's done to me
To lose the the love I knew
Could safely lead me to
The land that I once knew
To learn as we grow old
The secrets of our souls
It's not the way that you say it
When you do those things to me
It's more the way you really mean it
When you tell me what will be
Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the door
With a thousand million questions
About hate and death and war
It's where we stop and look around us
There is nothing that we need
In a world of persecution
That is burning in its greed
Why do we never get an answer
When we're knocking at the door...
Remember what we learned the hard way -- if evil and corruption aren't stopped where it is now, it can always get worse. Under anyone but Bernie, it surely will. Clinton is toxic, a very close match for Nixon and will probably end her career the same way.
senz
(11,945 posts)Ugh.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)vote of many of their lives, they are being fed constant anger and attacks on a party they normally get excited and enthused about supporting, being fed a bunch of pipe dream and unreality. I think it is a real disservice to our young.
livetohike
(22,154 posts)no plan that has a chance to succeed.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)He also read all of Clinton's policies and then Sanders policies and was honest enough with himself to decide Clinton well kicked ass in policies. Now he can go on to support our Democratic candidate with enthusiasm. That was my biggest concern.
My oldest didn't buy into it from day one. But then, he is the one studying parties and the effects on society and the just ones, ect.... and had a better view walking into this.
livetohike
(22,154 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)livetohike
(22,154 posts)kids. Glad that yours are interested enough to get informed!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)It serves them well in all kinds of areas to be interested in the thinking process. It makes a parents job really really easy when kids think. The best parenting I did, was insistently the kids thought things thru, generally by doing it with them. THey probably taught me as much as I taught them.
Now, at 18 and 21, thru those supposed teenage years, I can say, .... one does not have to experience all that turmoil if the kids trust in listening, and are able to do it. It is all about listening. That helps us avoid so many landmines. And to be outside of the box, one really has to listen.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I guess we rub off on them, eh?
BTW, congratulations on having a good relationship with your sons. At the end of the day, nothing could be more important than that. You must be a good mother.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I will now erase those details I probably should not have posted.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)She's thinks they are idiots, not for believing sanders, but because she thinks they will listen to and believe her.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)They don't care much for her either.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)This reminds me of when George Bush Sr. didn't know how to use the scanner at the grocery store. He was totally clueless because he lived in a bubble and Sec. Clinton keeps proving with her condescending remarks that she too is out of touch with voters. She is clueless about what is really going on with most people's lives and it shows.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Woot! 49 is the new 18!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The posts suggesting that Bernie supporters are all penniless youngsters get a good chuckle from my wife and I in our 50's and 60's and doing quite well thank you.
KPN
(15,647 posts)In which case, Hillary can forget about young people closing ranks if she gets the nomination.
Personally, haven't seen her make this statement, but it would not surprise me as it fits my perception of her. She just can't help herself ... when you boil things down, she is really just small-minded.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)she doesn't do these gigs with the press very often
She thinks at the time it sounds good but then turns out its really bad optics..........
See?
"We Came, We Saw, He Died" .......... or
finger pointing in someone face 6 times for reference....LOL
Yeah it will go viral.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Live on nothing because you ended welfare as we know it; were killed, injured, or displaced by the wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Honduras; lost their homes and pensions to your friends on wall street; can't afford to see a doctor because you believe profit and useless middle men are required for the US to have healthcare; will be executed, even if innocent, because the death penalty that you support is still legal.
Meanwhile I'll feel sorry for your supporters who have given up on fixing what is wrong with the country
QC
(26,371 posts)So appealing to the young folks to talk to them this way!
(For the record, I'm 50.)
onecaliberal
(32,878 posts)The people who would support her if she gets to the general, they are actually electing trump or Cruz. Hillary can not win against either of them.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary needs to take a break and get some rest.
She sounded tired, she looked tired ... my gosh, it is like watching a talking snowball on top of a bowl of pumpkin sherbet.
Her irritability over the surge for Sanders is so obvious, that condescending smirk is also a poor presentation technique.
Playing the clip of a Sen. Sanders only accentuates how boring is Clinton.
A pretty bad interview for Hillary ... I just can't get over how bad she looked and sounded.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)So much baggage, so much poor judgement and asking for more. Voting for business as usual in a corrupt system. Letting corporations and lobbyists run the Govt. and steal from us.
Logic: She's a Democrat!
quantumjunkie
(244 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)...just know your place in her Grand Royal Society, and accept the fact that only the Elites succeed in her New World Order.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)of her private high dollar speeches.