Brilliant Bernie - Hillary Is Not Qualified

[scottie55]

I posted another thread where I thought about it and determined she was not qualified to be president. Too many mistakes. Then it dawned on me. Hillary has been attacked relentlessly by Republicans for decades, and not for anything she did, but only because she was a Democrat. I understand this, and I don't give a damn what insane people/traitors/Republicans think. My problem with her is all her mistakes starting with the Iraq vote, and all her ties to the Oligarchs, and her ideology, among many other things.

Then I realized how brilliant this statement was. Bernie went there. The press is saying it may be "a mistake" because she didn't say he wasn't qualified. This was no mistake, saying she is not qualified. I don't really care what she said, because she will be saying something different soon.

Why this is brilliant is because Hillary has so much baggage being overlooked by her supporters. Millions from Wall Street, and now her comments on pushing the Panama Trade Deal are undeniably ridiculous. She knew she was helping people, including drug king pins stash money in tax havens, and if she didn't she did not belong in government. People support her when there is a far better choice and I have no clue why. I know she is truly experienced at being wrong, but really, how much should that count? Her supporters simply don't care how many times she has been wrong. It is sad.

Thanks for going there Bernie. If Hillary wins the nomination this will hurt her, I know, and I will vote for her. It will only hurt her because of her foolish mistakes, and positions that are bad for my family, my country, and my planet.

My other OP.

"Hillary Clinton Has Been Wrong On So Many Issues I Ask Is She Truly Qualified"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511666778#post12

[revbones]

1. I agree.

It's an excellent attack point that allows him to simply highlight her own record of failed policies, corruption and lies.

[SHRED]

2. BOOM

[oberliner]

46. Is it possible that both of those quotes are true?

I think it is.

[pdsimdars]

51. Then you either didn't read them

or don't know what has happened as a result of these trade agreements. Panama's economy is so small they could not possibly help American working families. Pure fantasy and talking points. But if you want a talking point robot, none better than HRC.

[oberliner]

70. What do you mean?

I am obviously asking the question having just read them.

It seems like it could be possible for the agreement to have opened up markets that would create more jobs while at the same time allowing wealthy Americans to evade taxes via tax havens.

Those do not seem to be mutually exclusive outcomes.

[Fairgo]

58. Nice graphic

Dialectical eye candy.

[BillZBubb]

3. Her campaign bragged they were going to "disqualify" him.

His response is the correct one: She isn't qualified.

[GreatGazoo]

41. yes and taken together with her comments about "Bernie is not a Democrat" and the shenanigans in AZ

there is another meaning to "disqualify" which very ugly.

I watched the clip of Sanders delivering the "not qualified if" points and it was good. Each sentence was a soundbite that cited a specific issue or vote that she was wrong on.

They made "disqualify / unqualified" the word of the day and Sanders played it. There is a reason this guy won so many elections without the big party machine behind him. He runs a smart campaign.

[doc03]

4. That is an asinine statement for a Democrat to make about another Democrat.

Now what happens if she is our nominee how the fuck can he walk that statement back?
That is if you can call him a Democrat.

[pkdu]

5. He is clearly not a Democrat. Nt

[doc03]

7. He is a bitter old man like John McCain n/t

[840high]

38. You do know she's no spring chicken.?

[pdsimdars]

54. And that's why he's always laughing and happy and smiling and so are all the people who

come into contact with him and attend his rallies.

Whereas at Hillary's "events" they look like they are at a wake.

[scottie55]

10. So What Do You Think Of Democrats That Care About

Getting $$ from billionaires more than your family?

Our government is completely corrupt. Pay to play.

The Democratic Party needs to start working for the welfare of ALL AMERICANS, regardless of how it affects the bottom lines of Wall Street scum.

The revolution is coming.

What kind of Democrat will you be?

One that wants government of the people, by the people, and for the people, or government for the 1% like we have now?

One Democrat agrees with me.....

"Jimmy Carter: U.S. Is an 'Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery'"

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731#ixzz456uk3Nu8
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731

Now who's side are you on?

[Dragonfli]

19. Which side are you on has been asked before as it needs to be from time to time

[dinkytron]

32. Are these folks for real?

[pkdu]

43. The revolution is coming?....

I'm sure you meant something else , or "revolution" in quotes.

[timmymoff]

87. By her stances

she is clearly not a democrat. Rockefeller republican maybe, but I think she is to the right of them.

[Dragonfli]

6. It's hard to walk back or away from the truth but more importantly how can she walk back

A hardcore scorched earth negative campaign against him? You opened the dor on a much bigger "walk back" issue that she and David Brock have painted her in a corner with.

[doc03]

8. About 99% of the negatives I have seen are from the Bernistas n/t

[Dragonfli]

11. You are so far removed from reality, it is not even possible to show you

how ridiculous that statement is.

[dchill]

27. What you said.

Applied to all Hillaroids.

[pdsimdars]

56. Absolutely correct... .

remember the day when their meme of the day was Bernie's "negative" campaign and when challenged no one could find even ONE negative ad.

[Dragonfli]

63. That was a pretty funny show of a non-existent hand they tried to play /nt

[frylock]

23. You are not somebody who should be taken seriously.

[stillwaiting]

77. Fucking ridiculous. Nothing you say can be taken seriously after this. nt

[basselope]

9. What about her statement?

"Scarborough: Do you think he is qualified, and do you think he is capable to deliver on the things he is promising to all these Democratic voters?

Clinton: Let me put it this way, Joe. I think that what he has been saying about the core issues in his whole campaign doesn’t seem to be rooted in an understanding of either the law or the practical ways you get something done. I will leave it to the voters to decide who of us can do the job that the country needs, who can do all aspects of the job, both on the economic domestic issues and on national security and foreign policy."

Why wasn't her answer. Yes, of course he is qualified; however, I question on his ability to delivery on all the things he is promising.

Really simple answer. Instead, she went out of her way to avoid saying it.

The Clintonian way... let someone else say, back them up and then claim "I didn't say it".

[doc03]

13. She is right he has no better chance of getting the promisses he has made

that than trump has of doing any of his crap and has no more idea of how to get it done than Trump either.

[scottie55]

20. Let's Go There

Do you think those hundreds of thousands of people at Bernie's rallies are going to stay home if asked to help him carry out his agenda? Taking back our country?

I think every single person I was with at the rally I went to would force the Oligarchs to yield a thousand different ways.

We are tired of being screwed.

They know it.

Ask Mary Antoinette what happens if the people get too upset.... Oh, you can't. She didn't make it.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

47. Ok

People threw Republicans out en masse in 2008 and delivered us a Democratic President and Congress for 2 years and then left the door wide open for Republicans to foist the Tea Party whackadoodles on us and we've been dealing with them ever since. It's not even clear that Bernie, if elected, is going to have even 2 years of a Democratic Congress to advance his goals, let alone even get them looked at. Then what? What are people suddenly going to do now that they haven't (but should have) been doing for the last 5 years of Obama's Presidency?

[pdsimdars]

57. Yes, we gave Obama a golden opportunity and he WASTED it.

It wasn't the mean old Republicans who made him appoint Goldman Sachs to his treasury and the very people who were responsible for the deregulation that caused the crash. HE did that all by himself, because he is a corporatist Democrat, Republican lite.
He appointed Holder as the AG. Holder who invented the "don't prosecute the Wall Street executives, they're too important". At least Reagan investigated THOUSANDS of banksters for the S & L scandal and thew HUNDREDS in prison. Obama and Holder . . . ZERO. Oh wait, there was one, a whistle blower who told them about the fraud on Wall Street, they threw HIM in jail.
You people try to make up history just like the Republicans do. Obama is a conservative. So was Clinton.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

75. But this time it's going to be different?

Bernie is not so perfect and pure as snow that he will be able to push through his agenda, keep government running, etc. without some compromise with Republicans and even some Democrats (especially if Republicans control one or both chambers in Congress). Will you be turning on him the instant that he faces political reality and has to wheel and deal a little with the opposition to get things done? What are you going to do if and when he appoints somebody you disagree with?

[pdsimdars]

79. Yes, Obama got in and immediately forgot us and the things he campaigned on

He didn't fight for the things he said he would. . . remember, he said NAFTA was bad and the first thing he'd do would be to re-negotiate it. . . .. crickets . . . . He did nothing . .and then created his own bigger, more horrible TPP.

FDR and LBJ didn't get congresses that were on board, but they fought and used the bully pulpit to force congress to come along. And that's who Bernie is.

If you want to live in some philosophical fantasy land that is anyone's choice. Or you can accept reality and fight back.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

83. FDR and LBJ

had massive Democratic majorities in Congress to get their agendas through though. To the extent that they had to use the Bully Pulpit to get their way, they didn't have to cajole much. President Obama had 2 years to get stuff done with a Democratic Congress and he got a lot accomplished but then has had to spend the past 5 years battling the Republican Tea Party just to keep government operational and protect the gains made during the first 2 years in office. Right off the bat, Bernie may get a Democratic Senate to work with but probably not a Democratic House and no amount of "bully pulpiting" at Republicans is going to get them to back him on his proposals.

[pdsimdars]

91. No, he forgot us.

He appointed the very people who pushed for the deregulation of Wall Street. . .HE did that. It wasn't congress. He did not fight for progressive values but appointed corporate conservatives.
He would not allow anyone in the initial meetings about health care to argue for single payer.
He said he would re-negotiate NAFTA because it was so horrible. He forgot all about that.
He told labor he'd get them their card check and they would be involved in any trade deal negotiations.
All these things were up to him and HE DID NOTHING on them.
Don't whine about the congress and the Republicans, HE did not pursue the agenda he campaigned on.

[ohheckyeah]

78. What happened to yes, WE can? It quickly became

Obama blew it. His supporters had less of an attention span than my 5 year old niece , which I bet is the same attention span as a Sanders supporter.

[basselope]

24. Aside from the fact she is wrong.

Why not say that he is qualified?

[scottie55]

14. The Iraq War Vote And Supporting Bush's Lies Disqualifies Her - Period

I don't care how many feathers get ruffled.

Yes, other Democrats went along with Bush's war too.

Our party need help, definitely.

[pdsimdars]

60. Interesting fact. . . 60% of the Dems voted AGAINST it. Hillary and Kerry voted AGAINST their party

Two sell outs who, of course, Obama adopted.

[oberliner]

73. That's a lie

Of the 50 Senate Democrats, 29 voted in favor and 21 voted against.

That would be 58 percent of the Democrats in the Senate voting in favor - thus, Hillary and Kerry voted with their party.

[pdsimdars]

80. I just looked it up yesterday.

I guess it was 60% in the house.
In the Senate it was 29 yes and 21 no. Sorry. Guess the Senate had more sellouts than the house.

[Armstead]

31. "Let me put it this way...." is always a signal that shit is to follow

[kenn3d]

12. Do you call this guy a Democrat?

…

[scottie55]

15. Thank You Barack

I couldn't say it better.

[radical noodle]

21. Yes I do consider him a Democrat

and he's said Hillary would be an excellent president.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/11/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-excellent-president

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-hillary-clinton-excellent-president/story?id=30252247

[coyote]

40. We all say things we don't mean

I´ll put Obama´s comment that "Hillary would be an excellent president" into that category.

[pdsimdars]

61. He also said she was "likeable enough" and we all know that isn't true. . look at the polls.

Most Americans disagree with him on that.

[kristopher]

92. Bernie should use that as an embedded piece of a 1 minute Bernie ad.

[rhett o rick]

17. So let's talk about the truth of the statement. She is wrong on every issue.

She is on the side of the Wealthy on every issue. Fracking? TPP? College loans? the Patriot Act? Medical marijuana? Prisons For Profits? Name one issue where she is more progressive than Sen Sanders.

[daleanime]

26. So it's bad for him to say so....

but not her?

[pdsimdars]

62. And if that's what they are claiming, isn't THAT sexist against Bernie?

[dchill]

28. She could have just said that he's qualified.

I take him at his word.

As far as I know.

Shit like that. You know...

[grossproffit]

42. He's become an asshole.

[beedle]

48. Oh please

How did Hilary walk it back when she called Obama unqualified to be president? How can you still call Hillary a Democrat (whatever the hell that means anymore?)

[pinebox]

49. It's not assinine, it's a fact, she isn't qualified. Millions have died under her

and her irresponsible vote for Iraq. Over 30,000 of our own are wounded permanently. Sorry but she isn't qualified and thanks to politicians like Hillary, it created a vacuum which launched ISIS. And that is but one of many things.

If we wanted more wars we'd vote for a Republican.

[pdsimdars]

53. Turn that around

When he is our nominee, how can she walk back all the rotten, nasty, dirty smears she has thrown out there at him?

Hillary and her supporters never seem to apply their own rules to themselves. As usual.

[Orsino]

74. Especially on he is pledged to support if she is nominated...as seems likely.

He's right to tell us about her failings...but I would have just let the question hang in the air: "Are these qualifications?"

[revbones]

76. Lot's of if's there. Bout time she got "vetted"

[Marr]

89. Seriously?

[delrem]

16. Iraq, Libya, Syria, the cluster bombing of Yemen.

These aren't mistakes.
They are simply her record.

From the perspective of Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Henry Kissinger and the group of neocons that she belongs with, nothing of that was a mistake.

In fact Hillary Clinton puts this record on the table as being her credential, under the heading "experienced in foreign policy", to be POTUS.

[radical noodle]

22. Cluster bombing in Yemen?

Isn't it a bit problematic to blame Hillary when it was Saudi Arabia and/or the Arab Coalition who did that in 2016?

[delrem]

29. Find out about the International Convention on Cluster Munitions.

Hillary, bless her neocon heart, voted against it.

[radical noodle]

30. So did Joe Biden

I imagine you call him a neocon too.

[delrem]

33. I call Hillary Clinton a neocon because she has neocon advisers.

Because she advanced the neocon agenda across the board.
This is a nobrainer, radical noodle.

I look at the facts on the ground, at the Iraq, Libya, Syria, and general ME disaster, and yes, I do cast blame.

I don't know what turns your crank, but if you go along with that and want to promote more of that, I'm against you.

[radical noodle]

34. I am not a supporter of most wars

but I am also not a supporter of the hypocritical aspect of blaming one person for a vote and not blaming all of those who voted the same way. While Hillary may have supported intervention in Libya and Syria, she could hardly do it single handedly. The president had to make the final decision. Again we have the hypocrisy of blaming her but not President Obama.

You can be against me if you want, but I'm not running for anything anyway. I might disagree with you but I'm not against you.

[delrem]

35. I'm perfectly fine with spreading the blame, if it means the wars will end.

But you don't mean that. You mean to spread the blame so Hillary Clinton can win and continue the slaughter.

That's what bothers me about your philosophy.

[radical noodle]

36. Lots of people are quite comfortable with hypocrisy

I just happen not to be one of them.

[delrem]

37. Then, for the love of all that's holy, I hope you don't support Clinton!

How much evidence does a person need???

At what point is credibility lost?

[pdsimdars]

64. I don't think anyone is saying she is TOTALLY, PERSONALLY responsible

but the POINT people are making, is that those are policies that SHE SUPPORTS. It goes to her JUDGEMENT. Her judgement is always wrong. And THAT is a serious flaw to have in a President.

Obviously other people are on the wrong side as well, Cheney, Kissinger, etc. But in my mind that same failure of judgement disqualifies them too.

Also, something people should have learned in childhood. . . .I was told that if everyone else jumps off the cliff (or whatever), that doesn't mean it's OK and YOU should jump off the cliff.

It doesn't make something OK just because others have done it.

[scottie55]

18. Her Glass House

Isn't even real glass.....

[ThePhilosopher04]

25. I agree. To use a war metaphor, Bernie bombed the runway before Hillary's planes

could get off the ground. And he did it in such a way that directly undermines her credibility as a true progressive who will fight for ordinary Americans. If the media wants to discuss it, they'll be talking about the Iraq War vote, Wall Street Super Pac donations and speaking fees, fracking, Panama papers, etc.

Bernie is running a fucking brilliant, and I do mean BRILLIANT, campaign. Hillary, not so much.

[CrowCityDem]

55. "I've never run a negative ad"

Remember when Bernie's appeal was that he was a good guy, an honest guy, a guy who wouldn't play political games because he was better than that?

He proved he's as much a liar and politician as anyone, and the fact that there's anyone defending him proves that all that talk was absolute garbage.

[pdsimdars]

65. What is the lie you are referring to?

Where is the negative personal attack? He didn't call her a liar. He just said that in his opinion someone who does such and such is not qualified for office.

Lies and smears are when someone says things that are FALSE about you. Everything Bernie said was TRUE about her. He can't help it if she has done such detestable things. That is HER fault.

SHE is the only one who keeps lying about him. About his votes, about his policies, etc. Even when called out on it, she keeps lying.

For example, she lied about him voting against the auto bailout. Even after FORBES called her out for the lie, she kept on saying it until all the voting in the rust belt was finished.

Bernie has not told ONE untruth about her.

That is where your mind seems to be wrong.

[CrowCityDem]

72. The Lie:

He quoted Hillary as saying he was unqualified.

She never said that. That word never came out of her mouth.

It is a LIE.

[ThePhilosopher04]

81. Her campaign did, they speak for her

And she did nothing to walk them back. Stop trying to hide behind technicalities. Typical Clinton family behavior.

[CrowCityDem]

82. Technicalities?

What are you talking about? There is no technicality to the fact that Bernie flat-out made up a quote.

There are two interpretations here, so take your pick: 1) Bernie say the Washington Post headline and didn't bother reading the actual article, or watching the interview. 2) Bernie intentionally lied.

Which is better, Bernie being ignorant or a liar?

Neither Hillary nor her campaign have ever been quoted as saying "Bernie Sanders is unqualified". His claim is not true. But it is true to say that Bernie is a liar.

[ThePhilosopher04]

85. You know better. She said it, her campaign said it

They need to own it. But they're too chicken shit. But that's who they are ... bunch of immoral fucks.

[CrowCityDem]

86. Wrong yet again

You can't own what you didn't say, and the FACT is that no one in the Clinton campaign has said that Bernie isn't qualified. I don't know how many times you have to hear the truth for it to sink in, but it shouldn't have to be more than one.

[Marr]

88. She didn't exactly, technically, *specifically* call Obama unqualified, either.

But that was clearly the message.

Weasel words only make you look like a weasel.

[CrowCityDem]

90. And quoting something that was never said makes you a liar.

[pdsimdars]

67. Philosopher . . . I had not seen it in that way but truly a profound insight

And I do appreciate your summary

"Bernie is running a fucking brilliant, and I do mean BRILLIANT, campaign. Hillary, not so much."

Nice.

[Betty Karlson]

39. Finally: he took the gloves off. Hit her where it hurts. Go Bernie!

[Jitter65]

45. Yes and he outright lied to do it!

If she wins the primary and loses the GE Bernie can take credit for that too.

[BillZBubb]

59. Only in Hillaryworld does the truth become a lie. Bernie told the truth.

In Hillary's case the truth really does hurt.

[Betty Karlson]

66. Why would someone as unqualified as Clinton need others to lose?

[geek tragedy]

44. Democrats disagree with you.

You and Bernie are also calling Obama unqualified. Good luck with this.

[Betty Karlson]

68. Yeah... that reasoning... might need some work? eom

[pdsimdars]

50. You got it right! (and she always seems to get it wrong)

K&R

[merrily]

52. On the most important issue a CIC can face:

Qualified

Disqualified

[pdsimdars]

69. Prophet vs. Panderer

[merrily]

71. Presidential vs. Pass the Buck

But Dimson fooled me!!

Politician, please.

[alterfurz]

84. "qualified" qualified...