2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumChuck Todd: POTUS controlled the tone and tenor of the debate . . . And Romney simply let him do it.
POTUS controlled the tone and tenor of the debate, came armed with a ton of zingers. And Romney simply let him do it.
https://twitter.com/chucktodd
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)flamingdem
(39,331 posts)to trash the Obama campaign, but at least for now he's telling it like it is
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)The Angle Man: One that finds republican narrative where there is none.
flamingdem
(39,331 posts)He started up with that today!
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)the two campaigns are fighting over.
Tagart Wales
(9 posts)win over women voters who are undecided? I think Obama won it, but I am a guy.
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The truth is that their numbers are much farther down with women than the polls are showing, and somebody told Romney that he'd need to cool his jets in this debate if he wanted even a smidgin of a chance at winning back some of that deteriorating support. That's why Romney was a veritable Mr. Softee truck at the debate tonight. Your interlocutor there, in some miracle of comprehension, actually understood - or at least could mimic - the right wing talking point. Of course, both the strategy and its execution were disastrous - Willard didn't look "sensitive" (or whatever weird appeal to imaginary women his team told him to make) but weak. He certainly did more damage to himself among all demographics than aany benefit he could have derived from toning down his usual bullying antics that were just destroying him with women.
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)And I mean the gist of my line, too: the distaste of women for displays of male dominance is greatly over-stated.
CitizenPatriot
(3,783 posts)as a woman. Todd thinks we hate dominance, we don't. we hate lying bullies. I' m very sorry he can't tell the difference.
Competent men who can hold their own but show respect to those who deserve it are a big win
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)You stated the matter better than I did.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)Indpndnt
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Obama was free to say what he really thinks about foreign policy.
Romney will never get much support from women. No regressive Republican ever will.
We like being able to get good educations and our own paychecks.
That's what it is about with women. We don't want to be forced into marriage or into staying in miserable marriages because we can't compete on an equal basis in the working world.
Obama's foreign policy is fine with women. Republicans sent our kids to war. Obama is bringing our sons and daughters home.
We understand the struggle of women elsewhere in the world, but we also know that how well women are doing is not a matter of religion but rather a matter of culture.
True, in the Middle East, Muslim women have a struggle, but I learned recently that a number of Muslim countries have had female leaders.
Indonesia, the most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Megawati Sukarnoputri as president[2]
Pakistan, the second most populous Muslim-majority country, twice (non-consecutively) elected Benazir Bhutto as prime minister[3]
Bangladesh, the third most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Khaleda Zia[4] and Sheikh Hasina as prime ministers.
Other Muslim- majority nations which have had female political leaders include:
Turkey elected Tansu Çiller, who became prime minister on June 13, 1993[5]
In the Muslim majority region of Kosovo, President Atifete Jahjaga was unanimously elected by the Assembly of Kosovo on April 7, 2011[6]
Kyrgyzstan's President Roza Otunbayeva was sworn in on July 3, 2010, after acting as interim leader following the 2010 April revolution.
Senegal's Mame Madior Boye was Prime Minister from 2001 to 2002.
Nearly one-third of the Parliament of Egypt- the fifth most populous Muslim majority nation- also consists of women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_political_leaders_in_Islam_and_in_Muslim-majority_countries
We have very few women in our legislature and only three on the 9-person Supreme Court. We have never had a female president. I was quite amazed to learn that Muslim women are given such high positions in certain Muslim countries. I had never paid attention.
So we overgeneralize when we criticize the subjugation of Muslim women in the Muslim religion. It may be Middle Eastern culture and not the particular religion that is at fault.
At the same time, I believe that, at least in Pakistan, many women do not have good educational opportunities. It seems to depend again on the culture and maybe on the family.
Mitt Romney generalized and repeated a cliche. But that shows that he doesn't know that much about the world. (Nor did I until recently at least with regard to women's rights in the Muslim religion.)
Cha
(297,733 posts)Mitt's just full of different personalities, yeah!
Did an adviser say he wasn't polling well with his psycho schtick?