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BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:33 AM Apr 2016

Fox News and Newsmax are not regarded as credible sources of information at DU, right?

But it is OK if James Murdoch, Rupert's son, and Chris Ruddy, the owner of NewsMax, are both big contributors to the cesspool called the Clinton Foundation? Why is that?

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/authors/christopher-ruddy

Chris Ruddy wrote pieces on Vince Foster in the 1990's. He has pledged $1 million to the Clinton Foundation over 5 years.

But Chris says why is Fox writing pieces questioning me contributing to the Clinton Foundation when James Murdoch is big contributor to them?

Here's a list of people and businesses that have pledged/contributed from $1 million to $5 million to the Clinton Foundation. See Ruddy and Murdoch listed back to back.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%241%2C000%2C001%20to%20%245%2C000%2C000&page=1

Does anybody have a reasonable explanation of why these people would be contributing to the Clinton Foundation, and why the Clinton Foundation would be taking their money?

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Fox News and Newsmax are not regarded as credible sources of information at DU, right? (Original Post) BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 OP
The Koch brothers are big contributors to Lincoln Center and the arts Renew Deal Apr 2016 #1
I do but not for that reason. My tastes are more plebeian./nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #3
Jazz at Lincoln Center is ... well ... was one of my favorite NPR segments ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #12
JALC is housed at the Frederick P Rose Hall, south of the main LC complex Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #16
Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #18
Not an accurate statement. David Koch individually has donated a boatload to Lincoln Center not Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #13
I love how leftynyc Apr 2016 #20
The 'arts' the Kochs donate to are for the benefit of the elite, any side-benefits are accidental. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #17
Music and dance benefits the elite? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #19
All ballet benefits the elite? leftynyc Apr 2016 #21
AFAIK, they aren't funding ballet in high schools or colleges, just where the elite go. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #22
Hypocrisy! (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧. VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #2
Correct FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #4
K&R Scuba Apr 2016 #5
Good points..... disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #6
Take a look at some of the other big contributors BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #7
Fox and Newsmax? melman Apr 2016 #8
Yes, a perfect person to explain how you go from Clinton enemy to apologist nt BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #11
Wow! That is interesting to say the least.... jillan Apr 2016 #9
This has to be the most ridiculous argument to date ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #14
Repubs support repubs. RiverLover Apr 2016 #15
Paying for access is good business. Trump has donated to them too. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #23
Like Tom Daschle lobbies alongside Mel Martinez, former co chair of the Republican Party BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #26
The only reason Fox and Newsmax beedle Apr 2016 #24
I also refuse to watch any shows on Fox Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #25

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
1. The Koch brothers are big contributors to Lincoln Center and the arts
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

Do you avoid going to concerts or listening to music because of that?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. Jazz at Lincoln Center is ... well ... was one of my favorite NPR segments ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

until my local carrier dropped it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. JALC is housed at the Frederick P Rose Hall, south of the main LC complex
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

Inside Time Warner Center. At their website you can listen to the radio shows and watch webcast performances.....
http://www.jazz.org/

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. Not an accurate statement. David Koch individually has donated a boatload to Lincoln Center not
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

The Koch Brothers, not Koch Industries. A Koch brother is a major donor to Lincoln Center is an accurate statement. If a person wanted to express distaste for that fact, they would simply avoid Lincoln Center events or events at David H. Koch Theater. The Koch Theater was designed for and most often presents ballet and other dance performances, it is not a concert hall so much as it is a classical dance venue. It is the home of the New York City Ballet Company.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. I love how
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

just across the fountain is the David Geffen theatre. Both ends of the political spectrum on display at the prettiest plaza in NY.

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
19. Music and dance benefits the elite?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

OK. Tell that to the millions of kids currently participating in them and the thousands trying to get to Lincoln Center.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
22. AFAIK, they aren't funding ballet in high schools or colleges, just where the elite go.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

.


If plebeians get to enjoy the seats, that's a byproduct of their desire to keep high-brow arts active for their consumption.

Carnegie was the same way, he wanted to give back later on, but did so in a way that suited the wealthy more.



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BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
7. Take a look at some of the other big contributors
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

Pete Peterson Foundation
Pfizer
HSBC (too big to fail bank)
Monsanto

And then there is the Lundin Group, which has given $100 million to the Clinton Foundation and has had business interests in places like the Sudan and the Republic of Congo.

Here's a llink to a 2009 piece from Slate asking why so many oligarchs, royal families and special interest groups are giving money to the Clinton Foundation:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2009/01/more_than_a_good_feeling.html

<The next question, and I must apologize in advance for once again making it an un-strenuous one, is: Who else will be approaching Bill Clinton for advice, counsel, and "input" on foreign affairs? It appears from the donor list of the Clinton Foundation that there is barely an oligarch, royal family, or special-interest group anywhere in the world that does not know how to get the former president's attention. Just in the days since the foundation agreed to some disclosure of its previously "confidential" clients—in other words, since this became a condition for Sen. Clinton's nomination to become secretary of state—we have additionally found former President Clinton in warm relationships with one very questionable businessman in Malaysia and with another, this time in Nigeria, who used to have close connections with that country's ultracorrupt military dictatorship.

The Nigerian example is an especially instructive one. Gilbert Chagoury is a major figure in land and construction in that country and has contributed between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation as well as arranged a huge speaking fee for President Clinton at a Caribbean event and kicked in a large sum to his 1996 re-election campaign. In return for this, he has been received at the Clinton White House and more recently at Clinton-sponsored social events in New York and Paris. This may have helped to alleviate the sting of Chagoury's difficulties in Nigeria itself. As a close friend of the country's uniformed despot Gen. Sani Abacha, he benefited from some extremely profitable business arrangements during the years of dictatorship but was later compelled, after an investigation of his transactions, to return an estimated $300 million to the Nigerian treasury in exchange for a plea-bargaining arrangement by which his bank accounts could be unfrozen.>

Response to melman (Reply #8)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. This has to be the most ridiculous argument to date ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016
Does anybody have a reasonable explanation of why these people would be contributing to the Clinton Foundation,


1) Because giving to charities helps to address societal problems
2) Because the donors get good press
3) Because the donors get tax deductions

why the Clinton Foundation would be taking their money?


Because the foundation needs money to address societal problems.
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
23. Paying for access is good business. Trump has donated to them too.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

It's the same sleazy stuff the Bush family used to do - bribing a sitting President (or Secretary of State) is illegal, but "invest" or "donate" to a family member, and magic happens.

Same old cronyism, same old corruption.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
26. Like Tom Daschle lobbies alongside Mel Martinez, former co chair of the Republican Party
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016
http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1966784,00.html

<For more than a decade, there has been one time-tested way to end partisanship and get Washington Republicans and Democrats working together on the most pressing national issues: throw a retirement party.

It's no joke. The pattern is long established. Party leaders who lead the charge while in office — pushing for party-line votes and vocally criticizing the opposition — often become symbols of postpartisan cooperation and productivity once they leave office. The one place, it seems, where Democrats and Republicans can still get along is in retirement.

"We are all less inhibited when we are not there, when we are not elected," says Republican Pete Domenici, who retired last year after a 36-year career as a New Mexico Senator that included several important bipartisan accomplishments. He is now leading a U.S. debt-reduction task force with Alice Rivlin, a Democrat who directed the Office of Management and Budget for President Clinton.>

For those who haven't figured it out, the political establishment is really just one party, not two.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
24. The only reason Fox and Newsmax
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

are not part of the Washington DNC Establishment is they support the wrong Washington Establishment Party.

The difference between Washington Post and Fox News = the difference between constipation and diarrhoea.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
25. I also refuse to watch any shows on Fox
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

Or watch anything with conservative actors in it.

or read books by people with conservative leanings.

I live deep and hard in my absolutism black and white view of the world.

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