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Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:47 PM

 

Those Vermont guns - per capita!

“The number of crime guns in New York from Vermont is so small that it could even be attributed to one or two bad actors. Using the per capita measure of trafficked guns originating from Vermont is as pointless as counting guns trafficked per 100,000 head of cattle.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/12/hillary-clintons-claim-that-the-highest-per-capita-number-of-crime-guns-in-new-york-come-from-vermont/

A commenter wrote:

This shit is so convoluted that I could barely even follow the Clinton campaign logic reading the article. The basic is that instead of thinking of guns as a product of weapons dealers, the Clinton campaign is making a “per capita” argument as if the entire population of the state of Vermont is involved in the trafficking of guns, counting on Vermont’s small population to inflate “per capita” numbers. Example, two guys bring a gun to NYS that gets used in a crime, one from California and one from Vermont. Since California has a population of 39 Million and Vermont less than 1 Million (626,042), that’s more guns “per capita” coming from Vermont – 1 (gun) divided by 39,144,818 or 626,042 respectively. Vermonters – so dangerous. Pass the maple syrup.


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Reply Those Vermont guns - per capita! (Original post)
JackRiddler Apr 2016 OP
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1
Rebkeh Apr 2016 #2
kennetha Apr 2016 #3
JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #5
azmom Apr 2016 #4
dogman Apr 2016 #6
djean111 Apr 2016 #7
JackRiddler Apr 2016 #8

Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:49 PM

1. Deceit pure deceit

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:50 PM

2. Distortion tactics nt

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:53 PM

3. This is silly

Hillary lied by saying something true? People are too dumb to understand the difference between "per capita" and absolute figures? What American's can't get beyond junior high math?


Vermont does provide the highest per capita number of guns tied to crimes in New York. This point resonated with audience members, who gasped when she told them this factoid. But as much as the Clinton campaign may want to blame Sanders or his home state for the guns in New York, this is a misleading data point.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:00 PM

5. Repeating true data doesn't mean you aren't being deceitful.

It has to add to the discussion.

of course, this doesn't rise to the level of a fact-checker, but it does fall under what I consider as dirty campaigning. YMMV.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:58 PM

4. Deceiving and misleading voters once again.

That's not my abuela.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:02 PM

6. Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:03 PM

7. I think "deliberately lying assholes" pretty much covers it. n/t

 

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Response to JackRiddler (Original post)

Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:03 PM

8. How many guns per slices of imported Canadian cheese?

 

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