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Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:30 AM

If you don't think having your registration mysteriously switched,

Changing poll places 24 hours before the election, prohibiting early voting, opening the polls at noon to keep people from voting are problems, then you're not a democrat and you definitely don't believe in democracy.
American men and women died in Iraq protecting their right to vote, and we have idiots here trying to keep folks from voting. This is not DEMOCRACY. Who cares what party you're in, it doesn't matter, you should be able to go to the poll and vote for the candidate of your choice, that is freedom. Anything else is the rigged bullshit the wealthy are fighting us to keep.

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Reply If you don't think having your registration mysteriously switched, (Original post)
onecaliberal Apr 2016 OP
vintx Apr 2016 #1
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #4
vintx Apr 2016 #8
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #9
Punkingal Apr 2016 #20
CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #32
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #3
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #6
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #13
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #29
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #42
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #43
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #45
highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #46
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #47
dinkytron Apr 2016 #16
Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #18
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #44
Ghost Dog Apr 2016 #53
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #55
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #5
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #7
notadmblnd Apr 2016 #10
flor-de-jasmim Apr 2016 #11
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #23
Adrahil Apr 2016 #28
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #31
msongs Apr 2016 #12
Voice for Peace Apr 2016 #14
nolawarlock Apr 2016 #15
Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #17
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #24
PBass Apr 2016 #19
pnwmom Apr 2016 #22
djean111 Apr 2016 #37
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #40
Zira Apr 2016 #54
pnwmom Apr 2016 #21
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #26
Agschmid Apr 2016 #25
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #27
EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #30
brooklynite Apr 2016 #33
smiley Apr 2016 #34
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #52
Hoyt Apr 2016 #35
Skwmom Apr 2016 #36
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #38
Skwmom Apr 2016 #39
stillwaiting Apr 2016 #41
redwitch Apr 2016 #48
onecaliberal Apr 2016 #50
redwitch Apr 2016 #51
lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #49

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:32 AM

1. I remember back during 2000 and 2004, those things used to matter to Dems.

 

My what a difference a huge influx of concentrated corporate cash and turd-way voters brings.

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Response to vintx (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:39 AM

4. I seriously can't believe I'm seeing dems support the same republican tactics

Used by bushco and republicans. It's as though I'm living in an alternate universe.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:46 AM

8. And dems using the same responses republicans use

 

to defend the indefensible.

The prison industrial complex used to be a big deal, now it's just a meme.

Torture used to be abhorrent, now if she supported it and only changed just before an election, that's a good quality in a leader.

Exploiting labor used to be anathema, now we're bad people for not supporting the TPP.

The environment used to be important. Now dems cheer on 'clean coal' and defend fracking.

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Response to vintx (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:49 AM

9. These people are not democrats. Look at the national platform.

hell, they can just borrow the republican platform. Hillary policy lines up well with them.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:24 AM

20. And this very site was created because Bush stole the election from Gore in 2000.

Alternate universe is right. I don't care if it is a Cruz voter (and I loathe him) anyone who wants to vote should be allowed to vote.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:22 AM

32. One Party... "$THE MONEY PARTY$!

Think AFC vs NFC! This is the Corporatist Nation... Read that... The Tactics are that of a FASCIST Nation... No Democracy HERE!

Lots of STUPID people in NYC basically!

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:32 AM

2. I had my voting location changed, I did not allow tbis to keep me from voting.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:35 AM

3. "Bully for you", as Teddy would say. But the lack of compassion, empathy, and ability to fight for

 

justice for others does not bode well for the Democratic Party, in my opinion.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:41 AM

6. I believe in justice, what are you implying. I have heard this more than once

In the last few days. Maybe the lack of concern is something else.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:24 AM

13. I am sure you do. And we should all be concerned, in my opinion, with voting irregularities. Next

 

time they could happen in an election where we as Democrats want to win against a Republican. Wherever they happen and whenever they happen, I believe we should all be concerned and do all we can to remedy the situation. After all, we are the people who want the votes counted, and I'm sure you are with me on that.

Sorry if my words were overly harsh. I'm only saying we should all be concerned about any signs of disenfranchisement. And, in fact, we might even be concerned about people being ill-informed. But at least not disenfranchised.

Thanks for your comments.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:12 AM

29. This was a primary, this was not a general election, choices of party was made, this is

A far cry from voter irregularities or voter suppression. Caucuses did not allow lots of seniors and disabled from participating. Where was the talk of voter suppression?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:55 PM

42. If you don't think having your registration mysteriously switched...

 

This was the intro to the post.

Yes, this was a primary. But to have irregularities significant enough to catch the attention of the NYC Mayor and also to inspire an audit of the New York City Election Board by the Comptroller sounds significant to me, and concerning for now and for the GE.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/nyregion/new-york-voters-face-problems-at-the-polls.html?_r=0

The original poster goes on to note "changing poll places 24 hours before the election and opening the polls at noon to keep people from voting" as problems.

Perhaps these don't concern you. They concern me. I don't see why the United States can't run elections that everyone agrees are uniform and fair.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:10 PM

43. As I stated previously I have also had my voting precinct changed, went to the place I was to vote a

and given the information of where to go, I don't call that a voting irregularity. I read through the article and it did not mention why names was removed, an important part of the information needed, ergo, without the important information it is not possible to determine if there are more irregularities which truly exist. Voting precincts are not perfect and in most places a provisional ballot is provided, if that provisional ballot is verified then the ballot is counted, again the person is not refused the opportunity to vote but there are restrictions to voting.

I do get concerned when the accusations run against those in charge of the voting procedure such as may have occurred in NY where it is a closed primary and those who are registered other than Democrats was upset because they were not able to vote.

I also see in caucuses where seniors and disabled are unable to participate in the caucuses and were therefore excluded.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM

45. Next time?

 

It has been happening. A minor thing with caging in 2000 cost Dems the presidency. 2004 was not better. People chose to think we are ahem exceptional



Alas that is like. As long as my politician wins I am ok with this...which is the prevailing attitude.

Myself, none of our elections are legitimate or transparent at this point. I "vote," but it really does not matter...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:16 PM

46. It is a disgusting mess. We would never advocate for this process in another "democracy".

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:18 PM

47. Of course not

 

But Americans are too propagandized to realize that as corrupt as elections are even south of the border, they are actually cleaner not by much mind you.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:16 AM

16. Damn straight.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:41 AM

18. Did you risk losing your job

by spending (how much time?) on finding your polling-place and voting?

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:14 PM

44. No, I did not risk my job, it happened I was off on primary day. I sought the information before

the primary day but it did make a difference when the two parties voted in different places. I went to the place where the listing said I would vote, was not there, poll workers made a phone call and verified where I was to vote. I still followed through and voted.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:32 PM

53. Then, you'd appreciate that others might have had to abandon

the task due to shortage of time, surely.

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Response to Ghost Dog (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:13 PM

55. I do realize the time constraints. I did not run around complaining about this, running elections

is not easy.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:40 AM

5. They don't care about Democracy. They care about their damn Party.

You know the one. The party the moderate conservatives hijacked from real Democrats.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:43 AM

7. Yes, we the people have voted 2.7 m more votes for Hillary, we care about democracy,

It is about getting the most delegates, that would be democracy.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:55 AM

10. I wasn't disputing what democracy is

I said, HRC supporters don't give a shit about Democracy. They only care about the party they hijacked from real Democrats.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:05 AM

11. Democracy is not the 2.7 who voted, but about the hundreds of

Thousands who have been effectively STOPPED from voting...literacy tests, different rules or poll opening times for different peole, confusing ballots, too few polling places, manipulated machine tallies, etc. You should care about it ALL.



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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:02 AM

23. This was a primary election, it was not a general election, there is a difference.

I am surprised the campaign did not get this information to the supporters. Just like the seniors and disable was unable to participate in caucuses, there is not any difference. Thousands did not get to not get to show their choice. BTW, it is 2.7 more votes for Hillary than has been for Sanders, we the people has spoke .

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:09 AM

28. Yeah,don't go into the details..

 

They aren't listening. Most of them don't care about details anyway and are perfectly content with "yada yada yada" policies.

Besides, they going through the stages of grief at the moment.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:13 AM

31. Yes, I know, hopefully some will come away with new information.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:11 AM

12. you can vote for the candidate of your choice in the general election -IF YOU ARE smart enuff

to do

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:59 AM

14. ...

 

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:05 AM

15. I would think it were terribly wrong ...

... If it were actually true but I think some of these activists will say and do anything to get Bernie elected.

I care about voter disenfranchisement. I don't care about false accusations of it made out of desperation.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:18 AM

17. Those who have to cheat to win are losers.

Real winners don't have to cheat. I think it's pretty obvious something very shady went on in New York, and in a bunch of other states.

Stealing votes is as low as pond scum.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:03 AM

24. Just as caucuses "cheats" the senior and disabled.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:18 AM

19. Interesting thread, in the context that Bernie was on TV last week saying

that even if he is behind Hillary in pledged delegates and trailing in the popular vote at the time of the convention, he will pull aside superdelegates to try to persuade them to switch their vote from Hillary to Bernie. This is the essence of the "back room deal".

I wonder how the OP feels about Bernie's plan to flip superdelegates to the runner up?



Apologies for linking to Andrea Mitchell, but I couldn't quickly locate the clip where Bernie also explains his plan to Rachel Maddow.

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Response to PBass (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:30 AM

22. He's also said he's willing to try to flip pledged delegates, on the theory that the most important

votes are those in the last weeks of the primary season.

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Response to PBass (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:35 AM

37. But it was okay for Hillary to buy up super-delegates before a single vote was cast.

 

Oh, please. IMO, harping on getting super-delegates is ridiculous. And hypocritical.

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Response to PBass (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:06 AM

40. The superdelegates endorsement of HRC so early in the process has been used to get

much more support for HRC than she would have received from voters otherwise.

They made it so that the media could claim she was inevitable from the very beginning. You don't understand human psychology if you don't get how that garnered support from regular voters for HRC throughout this entire primary process.

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Response to PBass (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:35 PM

54. Hillary and Bill have been meeting super delegates for months. There's NOTHING wrong

 

with Bernie trying to get them to vote their conscience and not for the 1 percent.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:28 AM

21. Not all those problems are of the same level of problem. And you could make similar

complaints about caucuses -- and yet most people here didn't seem to have any problem with them, as long as they resulted in a win for Bernie.

Caucuses don't allow early voting. They allow only very limited absentee voting (my out of state college student didn't qualify). They are only open for a few hours and require you to stay for those hours.

Should I say that if you like caucuses then you aren't a Democrat and don't believe in Democracy? As much as i dislike caucuses, I've never said that.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:06 AM

26. Exactly, caucuses left out the seniors and disabled. It was a primary election, republicans

Or other party selections was not able to vote in this election.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:04 AM

25. Hmmm...

This part isn't true...

American men and women died in Iraq protecting their right to vote


But that's not on you.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:07 AM

27. Very true.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:13 AM

30. All those things are A-OK as long as they benefit Hillary

And here I thought this kind of rampant hypocrisy was limited to republicans.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:26 AM

33. A million Democrats figured out how to vote for Hillary Clinton yesterday...

...but the cool kids, who grew up with the Internet, couldn't?

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:29 AM

34. Democracy left us a long time ago.

The system has been corrupt for far too long. And the media is silent to the madness.

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Response to smiley (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:14 PM

52. Voters have been complacent and don't vote.

voter turnout is less than 40% and I think that is stretching it.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:11 AM

35. You think it's bad automated, you should have voted back when it was all on paper. Talk about

screw ups. Plus, you couldn't check status on-line, vote early, absentee was limited, etc. Not saying this doesn't need to be corrected, but things happen with tens of millions of transactions. And, I suspect a whole lot of the problems were caused by the voter or their memories. In any event, I don't think it changed the election results, or was aimed at any candidate.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:33 AM

36. Think back to the 2000 election and all the fraud. Who would have thought.......

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:15 AM

38. It's unbelievable. The disturbing thing is that supposed dems are doing it and supporting it.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:18 AM

39. It is. n/t

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:07 AM

41. Yes. The Establishment. It makes it clear why Dems did not change things when they had power. nt

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:19 PM

48. My 30 something friend couldn't vote yesterday.

She changed her reg. to her married name last year and had no idea that by doing so her party affiliation was dropped. She has always been a Democrat.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:14 PM

50. Why in hell would her affiliation be dropped because she changed her name. Complete ridiculousness.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:16 PM

51. I know!

She was very upset.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:19 PM

49. K&R

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