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stopbush

(24,397 posts)
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:30 AM Oct 2012

Romney End Game Becomes Clear: Claim Momentum Now So Election Result Can Be Challenged Later

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems obvious to me that the Romney campaign knows they have already lost the election. Despite what they're saying publicly about the national polls showing them dead even with President Obama, they know that they've lost in the swing states that will decided this motherfucker.

Ergo, they've adopted the strategy of claiming that they have momentum on their side going into the final week-and-a-half. They are pointing to any poll that shows them close anywhere. They are feeding the lie to any media type who will regurgitate the lie for them, thus making it appear that the media agrees with them. They expect to lose, but they're hoping that the results will be close enough in some swing states that they can claim the results aren't legit, that there is no way their media-confirmed momentum vanished overnight, that recounts are needed and that they aren't conceding anything.

They will then look to the SCOTUS to declare them the winner, just like the SCOTUS declared bush the winner.

Romney will concede if the election is a blow out. But anything close will be challenged, IMO, especially if the Congressional races end up at status quo or - worse - if the Rs actually pick up a few seats in either house.

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Romney End Game Becomes Clear: Claim Momentum Now So Election Result Can Be Challenged Later (Original Post) stopbush Oct 2012 OP
Better: claim momentum now to make a win by electronic theft more plausible. snot Oct 2012 #1
yep. and it works. they've done it before. robinlynne Oct 2012 #9
On Hannity yesterday Firebirds01 Oct 2012 #2
Elections aren't decided on momentum claims. gravity Oct 2012 #3
You mean the way bush "found the votes" in Florida in 2000? stopbush Oct 2012 #12
Do you really think the election is going to be so close? justiceischeap Oct 2012 #13
I don't think it will be close at all. stopbush Oct 2012 #15
Mitt Romney sure says a lot of things Blue Owl Oct 2012 #4
and, claim momentum to capture yahoo headlines and influence the low info voters; band wagon effect. amborin Oct 2012 #5
This is why I think the ProSense Oct 2012 #6
I can see and hear that it is being set up by the "mainstream" media for some sort of steal. factsarenotfair Oct 2012 #7
Its to claim that enthusiasm is strong. Historic NY Oct 2012 #8
That might be the push once he loses, but now I think they're trying to manipulate the media... pointsoflight Oct 2012 #10
In Most States Either Party Can Demand A Recount If The Difference Is Less Than .05%/nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #11
Any candidate claiming they have momentum is evidence of nothing other than Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #14
Even if rmoney and the rethugs lose big they'll keep claiming constantly on faux news that they won. caveat_imperator Oct 2012 #16
 

Firebirds01

(576 posts)
2. On Hannity yesterday
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

Sean kept saying that a poll (never specified which) showed Mitt up in one swing state and a poll showed Mitt up in another swing state. Basically he is tell the audience that because of these unnamed polls, Romney should win and if he doesnt it is because of fraud.

States will use this to pass further draconian voter suppression.

gravity

(4,157 posts)
3. Elections aren't decided on momentum claims.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:39 AM
Oct 2012

It is all about electoral votes.

The only chance that Romney is going to challenge is if a crucial swing state is close enough for a recount. Even then, they have to have to find the votes in the recount.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
12. You mean the way bush "found the votes" in Florida in 2000?
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

Which is to say, the SCOTUS stepped in and stopped the vote counting in FL once bush had a lead of 537 votes.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
13. Do you really think the election is going to be so close?
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:13 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think it is. I think Pres. Obama is trending up, and Romney is trending down. I think they can claim momentum but anyone looking at the polls can see there is none.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. This is why I think the
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oct 2012

polling in some states (AZ, FLA, CO, etc.) is off. In some states, the polling is being done exclusively by right-leaning pollsters.

On top of that they're undersampling Hispanics. They've had time to correct this (they knew about this dynamic after 2008), but decided not to.

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
7. I can see and hear that it is being set up by the "mainstream" media for some sort of steal.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oct 2012

I've even had to give up watching the evening network news shows--first ABC, then NBC, and this week CBS.

pointsoflight

(1,372 posts)
10. That might be the push once he loses, but now I think they're trying to manipulate the media...
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

...into thinking he's winning and has the momentum, in order to keep his supporters motivated and deflate ours. It's a concerted effort to try to effect the ground game.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. Any candidate claiming they have momentum is evidence of nothing other than
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
Oct 2012

their candidacy. What else would a candidate do? Call a press conference to say 'my internal polling shows me facing historic defeat'? Can you name even one candidate on the verge of defeat who did not claim the opposite? It's politics.
On the other hand, if you take a look at it, the winning candidate in most races has not spent much time claiming they were winning, or blathering about polling theories.
The campaign rhetoric of the loser is very often about being a winner. The winner, meanwhile is talking about policy.
Just how it is. If anything, in politics, bravado indicates big fear of defeat.

caveat_imperator

(193 posts)
16. Even if rmoney and the rethugs lose big they'll keep claiming constantly on faux news that they won.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 01:16 PM
Oct 2012

And I'm sure rmoney believes he is what the White Horseshit Prophecy is talking about.

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