2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you say Sanders is in a better position than Obama was, you're deluded or a liar.
There's no other option. You either don't know what the facts are or you are intentionally trying to deceive people. In the first case, I feel sorry for you. In the second, I detest you.
This was the pledged delegate race in 2008:
Oh, sorry, Clinton was never in the lead. In fact, she was in the hole for all of it.
Sanders is in a much much much weaker position. There's no question about it.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I have seen people say that Bernie did better in NY than Obama did vs Clinton. One can observe that fact and still not be claiming what you are disproving.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)They also will cite Michigan to make the same argument.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)all over the board yesterday, and still hasn't bothered to respond to the refutations. That leads me to believe it was a deliberate untruth.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)While Hillary has the FBI and the DOJ in her rear view mirror.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Also, Bernie has far fewer voters in his camp.
I won't even bother with the FBI investigation issue. We don't have a clue what's happening there.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the only ones that make sense, anyway.
jimmy_crack_corn
(79 posts)Actually a lot of the states that are left already had their primary by April 20th 2008 !
In 2008
5-Feb Connecticut
5-Feb Delaware
12-Feb Maryland
22-Apr Pennsylvania
4-Mar Rhode Island
6-May Indiana
3-May Guam
13-May West Virginia
20-May Kentucky
20-May Oregon
9-Feb Virgin Islands
1-Jun Puerto Rico
5-Feb California
3-Jun Montana
5-Feb New Jersey
5-Feb New Mexico
5-Feb North Dakota
3-Jun South Dakota
12-Feb District of Columbia
IN 2016
26-Apr Connecticut
26-Apr Delaware
26-Apr Maryland
26-Apr Pennsylvania
26-Apr Rhode Island
3-May Indiana
7-May Guam
10-May West Virginia
17-May Kentucky
17-May Oregon
4-Jun Virgin Islands
5-Jun Puerto Rico
7-Jun California
7-Jun Montana
7-Jun New Jersey
7-Jun New Mexico
7-Jun North Dakota
7-Jun South Dakota
14-Jun District of Columbia
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Obama won the South. Bernie has gotten destroyed there.
Obama won Illinois by 32 points, netting a lot of delegates. Hillary won narrowly.
Obama won Maryland by a big margin. Hillary will win by 20+.
It goes on.
jg10003
(976 posts)In 2008 only 5 southern states were among the first 25 primaries:
1. Alabama
2. Arkansas
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. South Carolina
In 2016 11 southern states were among the first 25 primaries:
1. Alabama
2. Arkansas
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. Louisiana
6. Mississippi
7. Oklahoma
8. South Carolina
9. Tennessee
10. Texas
11. Virginia
Zynx
(21,328 posts)We're far closer to the end than the beginning.
jg10003
(976 posts)By having all the southern primaries first the DNC was giving Clinton a big head start. In 2008 all of the following states had voted by the end of February.
Michigan
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Illinois
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
New York
Washington
Wisconsin
In 2008 California had its' primary on February 5. This year the California primary is in June. Schedules are created for a reason. This schedule was designed to give Clinton every possible advantage over any potential rival.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)CA has become the rallying cry for Sanders supporters because it's necessary.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's difficult to see, but it's right before super tuesday.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Sanders, unfortunately, lost on Super Tuesday. Proportional delegations are funny that way.